New Ranger teaser vidz - Page 37

Franco Cozzo · 20-07-2022, 09:58 PM

Where's all the extra weight coming from in the new Ranger? Especially with the cab chassis models, they're around 100kg heavier than PX.

INJECTED_250 · 20-07-2022, 10:05 PM

The v6, More airbags, all the extra electronics , blind spot monitoring? .. prob all adds up

**DFB FGXR6** · 20-07-2022, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Where's all the extra weight coming from in the new Ranger? Especially with the cab chassis models, they're around 100kg heavier than PX.

Standard auto transmission would be a factor also.

Ben73 · 20-07-2022, 10:14 PM

According to Carsales the Everest Platinum is only 15kg a heavier than the Titanium.
Strange that the Ranger has put on a lot more weight

Franco Cozzo · 20-07-2022, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben73

Strange that the Ranger has put on a lot more weight

Americans were involved

naddis01 · 20-07-2022, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Where's all the extra weight coming from in the new Ranger? Especially with the cab chassis models, they're around 100kg heavier than PX.

Are you talking PX or PXII? If I recall correctly, the Ranger put on a fair amount of lard going from PX to PXII.

From the specs I've seen, a 4x4 XLT dual cab is similar in weight between PXII and the new RA.

**kypez** · 20-07-2022, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Americans were involved

To be fair to the Yanks, they've shed a lot of weight from their trucks in recent years with extensive use of aluminium.

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**kypez** · 20-07-2022, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by naddis01

How fast is the Ecolpi with half a tonne in the back? The Ranger is up around 2.2T when empty. What was the Falcon? 1.7-1.8T?

That's not the point. It's that the car was a joy to drive and quite rewarding when you put your foot down. With the extra weight of the Ranger, put a decent engine into it so we can enjoy them and not be subjected to a drive that is less than desirable.

My G6E EcoLpi towed better than my Everest. Less torque but over 700kgs lighter too. I miss that car.

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prydey · 21-07-2022, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by kypez

My G6E EcoLpi towed better than my Everest. Less torque but over 700kgs lighter too. I miss that car.

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We must have different criteria. I swapped my fg xr6 for my territory for towing and never looked back. Much better, and that's only towing 1.5t. I'm sure Everest would tow better than territory.

**kypez** · 21-07-2022, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by prydey

We must have different criteria. I swapped my fg xr6 for my territory for towing and never looked back. Much better, and that's only towing 1.5t. I'm sure Everest would tow better than territory.

When towing to Wakefield, the Everest struggled up the hills and often lost speed climbing. The G6E just hauled up without a fuss. I had air bags on both. The drive was just so smooth in the G6E and was a joy to tow in. Had I had the chance to tow in the Everest, I'd never have bought it. It also developed a vibration/bouncing effect at 93+ kms/hr when towing. My Falcon never did that.

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naddis01 · 21-07-2022, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by kypez

That's not the point. It's that the car was a joy to drive and quite rewarding when you put your foot down. With the extra weight of the Ranger, put a decent engine into it so we can enjoy them and not be subjected to a drive that is less than desirable.

My G6E EcoLpi towed better than my Everest. Less torque but over 700kgs lighter too. I miss that car.

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Well I must have missed the point because you started off saying how disappointed you were in the 0-100 times of a 4x4 commercial vehicle not how rewarding it was to drive.

XR Martin · 21-07-2022, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by kypez

To be fair to the Yanks, they've shed a lot of weight from their trucks in recent years with extensive use of aluminium.

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Yeah the F150 isn't any heavier than the Ranger.

fiestaz · 21-07-2022, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by naddis01

Well I must have missed the point because you started off saying how disappointed you were in the 0-100 times of a 4x4 commercial vehicle not how rewarding it was to drive.

I’m with you. 0-100 times dont tell the full story. Everyday driveability meaning actually driving it does. No one drives flat out everywhere. The V6 will be significantly better than the 4 cylinder.

I am a big fan of the new Ranger. It was top of its class at the end of PX series and it is now leaps ahead of everybody else.

Australian designed and Engineered Carry's some weight too.

Vesper Martini · 21-07-2022, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by kypez

That's not the point. It's that the car was a joy to drive and quite rewarding when you put your foot down. With the extra weight of the Ranger, put a decent engine into it so we can enjoy them and not be subjected to a drive that is less than desirable.

My G6E EcoLpi towed better than my Everest. Less torque but over 700kgs lighter too. I miss that car.

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Meh towing is about the vehicle not getting bossed around too, my old 97kw Prado with airbags towed better than the Territory IMO. low RPM torque was similar in both

now Im towing with 560NM I can maintain low rpm even when climbing hills less fuss Less fuel
600NM in the Ranger will be a cracker

prydey · 21-07-2022, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by kypez

When towing to Wakefield, the Everest struggled up the hills and often lost speed climbing. The G6E just hauled up without a fuss. I had air bags on both. The drive was just so smooth in the G6E and was a joy to tow in. Had I had the chance to tow in the Everest, I'd never have bought it. It also developed a vibration/bouncing effect at 93+ kms/hr when towing. My Falcon never did that.

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Sounds like your Everest had a problem, although I'm not familiar with the hills around that area.

Anyway, I'm sure the 3.0 in the new ranger will please many people who plan to tow with it. Most people who tow don't measure their happiness by how fast they get there either.

**GasoLane** · 21-07-2022, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by prydey

Sounds like your Everest had a problem, although I'm not familiar with the hills around that area..

Wakefield is near Goulburn so it would've been Hume Hwy Syd to Goulburn.

fiestaz · 21-07-2022, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by GasoLane

Wakefield is near Goulburn so it would've been Hume Hwy Syd to Goulburn.

Quite a few very steep hills in parts. Wouldn’t expect many cars to maintain speed up them while towing.

Dr Smith · 21-07-2022, 10:59 AM

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the very first protos we built had exactly this - it was quickly determined it was ****, and replaced with the fore/aft one you see today

Any chance Ford Aust. could rip the Escape R&D work out of Ford Europe's hand...they don't deserve it...or EVEN BETTER yet.....can the team doing the RHD conversions of F-150 be "financed" for a Lincoln or two.....I'd even settle for an Expedition...back on topic...any owners of the new V6 care to give a brief road report....

**kypez** · 21-07-2022, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by fiestaz

I’m with you. 0-100 times dont tell the full story. Everyday driveability meaning actually driving it does. No one drives flat out everywhere. The V6 will be significantly better than the 4 cylinder.

I am a big fan of the new Ranger. It was top of its class at the end of PX series and it is now leaps ahead of everybody else.

Australian designed and Engineered Carry's some weight too.

60-110 or 80-120 tell you a better story. The old Everest-Ranger was about 8 seconds for this vs 3-4 seconds for most Falcons. That makes it a nightmare to overtake on single lane highways and downright dangerous at times. Great for city slickers who have dual carriage ways.

Falcon tray weight was about the same as the Ranger. Heck, they even had a 1 tonne version back in the day.

**kypez** · 21-07-2022, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by fiestaz

Quite a few very steep hills in parts. Wouldn’t expect many cars to maintain speed up them while towing.

Like I said, the G6E held speed no fuss towing 2280kgs.

**kypez** · 21-07-2022, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by prydey

Sounds like your Everest had a problem, although I'm not familiar with the hills around that area.

Anyway, I'm sure the 3.0 in the new ranger will please many people who plan to tow with it. Most people who tow don't measure their happiness by how fast they get there either.

No problem with the Everest. In fact, all the guys with Rangers also struggle up that hill. I'd overtake them all in my humble Falcon when we used to drive to the track as a group.

It was just effortless. The Everest/Ranger always felt like it was straining on anything but a flat piece of road. Engine used to make a lot of noise for not much movement. I hated towing with it which is why I moved it on. Should never have let the Falcon go.

But there might still be hope with the Raptor. Next I need to understand if putting airbags on a Raptor will stuff the your beaut suspension they have in place. At least on paper, that looks to have some decent performance available.

Else, we wait for the F150 in the hope it is better.

I guess I lament a time when our Utes towed and had the up and go needed to have fun as well.

**kypez** · 21-07-2022, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by XR Martin

Yeah the F150 isn't any heavier than the Ranger.

For a Truck that is significantly bigger than the Ranger and far more capable, the weight penalty is about 200 kgs on many models. Thats pretty impressive.

Vesper Martini · 21-07-2022, 11:23 AM

Inevitable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqpPpaOe-bg

fiestaz · 21-07-2022, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by kypez

Like I said, the G6E held speed no fuss towing 2280kgs.

Then go buy a used falcon.

Fact is, a ranger or Everest are big heavy 4wds with diesel motors. They are never going to be as fast a falcon. If you expect that, you’re expecting too much.

What you trade for performance, is gained elsewhere in practicality and off road ability.

prydey · 21-07-2022, 11:40 AM

Yep, they were never introduced as a replacement. They are essentially commercial vehicles.

**kypez** · 21-07-2022, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by fiestaz

Then go buy a used falcon.

Fact is, a ranger or Everest are big heavy 4wds with diesel motors. They are never going to be as fast a falcon. If you expect that, you’re expecting too much.

What you trade for performance, is gained elsewhere in practicality and off road ability.

Fair enough. I think my expectations are too high for what we can engineer in this product category.

I'll just wait till someone releases something that fits the bill for what I want like the F150 promises. Or Rivian. 0-100 in 3 seconds and can tow more than the Ranger (probably not for the same distance but it would work a treat for what I'd use it for!). Till then, we wait.

The Patrol is bigger than the Everest and does a great 7.5 second drive. Its a great car let down by aging tech. New one is rumoured soon so lets see what it brings.

Or even the Land Rover Disco which is 6.8 to 100 with a Diesel and about the same weight as an Everest.

I don't buy second hand cars. Its just something I don't do.

prydey · 21-07-2022, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by kypez

Fair enough. I think my expectations are too high for what we can engineer in this product category.

I'll just wait till someone releases something that fits the bill for what I want like the F150 promises. Or Rivian. 0-100 in 3 seconds and can tow more than the Ranger (probably not for the same distance but it would work a treat for what I'd use it for!). Till then, we wait.

I don't buy second hand cars. Its just something I don't do.

Ram 1500. Should work well for towing 2.5t.

**kypez** · 21-07-2022, 11:56 AM

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Ram 1500. Should work well for towing 2.5t.

Yes, I've been looking at them. I just honestly wanted a Ford cause I'm a Ford guy at heart. Which is why I'm waiting for the F150 else I'd have bought the Discovery Even (6.8 0-100 from a diesel, very nice drive to be fair to it).

au2000 · 21-07-2022, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

6's? high expectations much?

I can assure you these things will be leaving everyone at the Traffic lights (they already do with the tradies)

well not exactly in the same league as an Aurion now are they?

Sorry.. had to.. someone had to hulk this...

Vesper Martini · 21-07-2022, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

Ram 1500. Should work well for towing 2.5t.

Drove my mates 1500 laramie with a 2700 Van and was very impressed. we went off road with it too all on standard tyres.

Its stacked with Luxuries and infotainment & has a feature called Etorque which kypez should like

it is a very big thing though but well suited to the NT where my mate lives.