New Ranger teaser vidz

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

Drove my mates 1500 laramie with a 2700 Van and was very impressed. we went off road with it too all on standard tyres.

Its stacked with Luxuries and infotainment & has a feature called Etorque which kypez should like

it is a very big thing though but well suited to the NT where my mate lives.

I think they've improved the rear axle weight limit, which was a major hurdle originally for those who liked to be legal.

For kypez, I'm assuming only 1or 2 people on board and towing a car trailer plus car. Would be very well suited but yes, it is large.

I guess that's why landcruiser is popular as there are still a few people about that do like to have their cake and eat it too.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

I'm annoyed that they have apparently deleted the low ride 4X2 Single Cab Chassis. NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO LOOK LIKE BOB THE BUILDER FORD!

Ok, with that off my chest, reading the specs is interesting.

PX MK II XL C/C 4x2 2.2 -

118 kW @ 3200rpm
385 Nm @ 1600rpm
Kerb Weight: 1666 kg

New Gen XL C/C 4x2 2.0 -

125 kW @ 3500rpm
405 Nm @ 1750rpm
Kerb Weight: 1789kg

New Gen XL C/C 4x4 2.0TT -
154 kW @ 3750rpm
500 Nm @ 1750rpm
Kerb Weight: 1903kg

So while power and torque are up, it's only compensating for the new model being a fat bastard. And that's before adding a tray.

If I'm forced to have the high ride suspension, then I think I would just go for the 4x4 so that I can get the 2.0TT engine and 10-speed. But then I'm faced with the prospect of a $50,000 single cab work car. Not a spend I can really justify on a car that is meant to earn me money, not cost me money. And people wonder why Toyota sell so many 4x2 Hilux's each month.

Sorry, I really like the new Ranger, its the best in class as it has been for a long time now. I know Ford have access to the things I'm asking for, they just choose to ignore the little guy.

Ford are focusing on the high profit models. Even when they had the cheap petrol 4x2's they sold stuff all, so they ditched them. Toyota have that market stitched up with fleets as well.

Even the cheapy 4x2 Hilux's aren't cheap anymore though, cause they recently jacked up the price of them. Considerably if I remember correctly. In the region of 36k driveaway now, when they used to be under 30k not that long ago.

[jpd80]

It’s almost time that Ford considered Maverick as a vehicle to sell below the new larger Ranger.
I think that would be more appropriate/ bigger market than trying to sell Single cab RWD tradie Utes.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

It’s almost time that Ford considered Maverick as a vehicle to sell below the new larger Ranger.
I think that would be more appropriate/ bigger market than trying to sell Single cab RWD tradie Utes.

Would require a new location to build it. Mexico is flat out just trying to supply even a fraction of the demand. They severely under called it.

But it might become an option as the Ranger continues to move upmarket.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by jpd80

It’s almost time that Ford considered Maverick as a vehicle to sell below the new larger Ranger.
I think that would be more appropriate/ bigger market than trying to sell Single cab RWD tradie Utes.

I can't believe they completely missed the mark with Maverick. And Bronco Sport. And Bronco..........

They told us several years ago that they were going to focus on trucks and SUV's. They bring back legacy nameplates that would have resonated all around the world, then took the easy road and made them USA only. Typical lazy American syndrome.

I have defended Ford and their decisions over the years, but they just keep under calling themselves. How is a supporter supposed to believe in the product when Ford won't even have the confidence to back themselves and give buyers what they want? And I'm over the excuses for product not being engineered for sale outside of the US, every other car company can do it, yet Ford have no interest.

So, good news if you want to buy a diesel dual cab pickup or 4WD, too bad otherwise.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by jpd80

It’s almost time that Ford considered Maverick as a vehicle to sell below the new larger Ranger.
I think that would be more appropriate/ bigger market than trying to sell Single cab RWD tradie Utes.

The second row in the Ranger is not all that roomy. I had hoped this next gen increased rear leg room but from all accounts, the cabin is as tight as before. A smaller ute in dual cab form would be not very useful. Maybe in single cab for sure.

I wish they had increased second row space. Hard to get anyone in the back with my seat in my driving position. Everest has a bit more room. Also, I hope they fixed the seat belt location; rear passengers would kick the bottom anchor point pulling on the front passengers belts. Annoying as hell in the Everest.

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[Big_Daz]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Ford are focusing on the high profit models. Even when they had the cheap petrol 4x2's they sold stuff all, so they ditched them. Toyota have that market stitched up with fleets as well.

Even the cheapy 4x2 Hilux's aren't cheap anymore though, cause they recently jacked up the price of them. Considerably if I remember correctly. In the region of 36k driveaway now, when they used to be under 30k not that long ago.

Diesel 4x2 workmate is, as of about a month ago, $35k D/a in QLD at least.. Bro in law purchased 2 of them for his small business. The petrol was cheaper, not sure by how much, I can just confirm the Diesel price... Triton 4x2 base model (but hi-rider) is less than $30k for the petrol, low $30k for the diesel.

Cant be much margin at that sort of level, cant blame ford for sticking to the more expensive, higher margin stuff.... Seems to work for them..

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by kypez

The second row in the Ranger is not all that roomy.

you're kidding right? I have the seat right back and there's plenty of knee room and elbow room for rear seat adult passengers.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Big_Daz

Diesel 4x2 workmate is, as of about a month ago, $35k D/a in QLD at least.. Bro in law purchased 2 of them for his small business. The petrol was cheaper, not sure by how much, I can just confirm the Diesel price... Triton 4x2 base model (but hi-rider) is less than $30k for the petrol, low $30k for the diesel.

Cant be much margin at that sort of level, cant blame ford for sticking to the more expensive, higher margin stuff.... Seems to work for them..

Margins would still be high even at those $25K-$35K prices the povvo spec cab chassis Thailand Specials were at, given they've all been using the same petrol and diesel engines for yonks, with drum brakes in a body on frame vehicle it can't be too expensive to build. You look under the bonnet of those things and there's nothing there, they don't have heaps of electronics either.

Schrodinger's Thailand Special, simultaneously the best and worst vehicles

Just the margins are even higher on the dual cab 'fancy' Thailand Specials.

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by kypez

The second row in the Ranger is not all that roomy. I had hoped this next gen increased rear leg room but from all accounts, the cabin is as tight as before. A smaller ute in dual cab form would be not very useful. Maybe in single cab for sure.

I wish they had increased second row space. Hard to get anyone in the back with my seat in my driving position. Everest has a bit more room. Also, I hope they fixed the seat belt location; rear passengers would kick the bottom anchor point pulling on the front passengers belts. Annoying as hell in the Everest.

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Rear legroom in the Maverick is quite good apparently.
It's the same length as the Falcon wagon, but has a much shorter front end.

[XR Martin]

Maverick rear room.

https://www.mavericktruckclub.com/fo...64-tested.754/

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by kypez

The second row in the Ranger is not all that roomy. I had hoped this next gen increased rear leg room but from all accounts, the cabin is as tight as before. A smaller ute in dual cab form would be not very useful. Maybe in single cab for sure.

I wish they had increased second row space. Hard to get anyone in the back with my seat in my driving position. Everest has a bit more room. Also, I hope they fixed the seat belt location; rear passengers would kick the bottom anchor point pulling on the front passengers belts. Annoying as hell in the Everest.

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This might shock you but the new Maverick has similar hip, shoulder and leg room as a PX3 Ranger.
I used the American cars.com/research/compare vehicles tool to see this…

So be prepared to be shocked by a so-called mid sized Ute being shown up by a compact Ute
With similar interior space….doesn’t seem right does it?

And this is why Gen 2 T6 Ranger needed to grow in size…..

Front shoulder room
Ranger……………56.7”
Maverick……….57.3”

Front Hip Room
Ranger…………..55.8”
Maverick………..55.4”

Front Leg Room
Ranger……………43.1”
Maverick……….42.8”

Rear Shoulder Room
Ranger……………56.3”
Maverick………..55.3”

Rear Hip Room
Ranger……………53.5”
Maverick……….54.1”

Rear Leg Room
Ranger…………..34.5”
Maverick……….35.9”

[Ben73]

On the topic of the gear stick I saw a video today that showed it moving like a traditional automatic gear stick. That's good news since I thought it was one of those dodgy ones that always sit in the centre position no matter what gear it's in.

[GT1533]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Just the margins are even higher on the dual cab 'fancy' Thailand Specials.

Not wrong there. The Ranger is assembled in Thailand using engines, transmissions and parts made in Thailand, India or China — all countries with labour rates of about one dollar per hour. My educated guess is that the factory cost of production has to be less than $20k per copy. With the average price around $70k each, Ford is taking in $56k after GST and dealer margin, so about $30k+ gross margin.

Anybody buying a Thailand special is getting their pants pulled down….

[kypez]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

Rear legroom in the Maverick is quite good apparently.
It's the same length as the Falcon wagon, but has a much shorter front end.

Originally Posted by jpd80

This might shock you but the new Maverick has similar hip, shoulder and leg room as a PX3 Ranger.
I used the American cars.com/research/compare vehicles tool to see this…

So be prepared to be shocked by a so-called mid sized Ute being shown up by a compact Ute
With similar interior space….doesn’t seem right does it?

And this is why Gen 2 T6 Ranger needed to grow in size…..

Front shoulder room
Ranger……………56.7”
Maverick……….57.3”

Front Hip Room
Ranger…………..55.8”
Maverick………..55.4”

Front Leg Room
Ranger……………43.1”
Maverick……….42.8”

Rear Shoulder Room
Ranger……………56.3”
Maverick………..55.3”

Rear Hip Room
Ranger……………53.5”
Maverick……….54.1”

Rear Leg Room
Ranger…………..34.5”
Maverick……….35.9”

There you go. It's got more leg room than the Ranger by a little! I stand corrected! Bring on the Maverick!

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[kypez]

Originally Posted by simon varley

you're kidding right? I have the seat right back and there's plenty of knee room and elbow room for rear seat adult passengers.

No, not kidding. It's why we went with the Everest for the better second row. Tall family and we just weren't comfortable in the Ranger. Everest was better but needed more. Let's see what the new one brings.

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[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by kypez

Fair enough. I think my expectations are too high for what we can engineer in this product category.

I'll just wait till someone releases something that fits the bill for what I want like the F150 promises. Or Rivian. 0-100 in 3 seconds and can tow more than the Ranger (probably not for the same distance but it would work a treat for what I'd use it for!). Till then, we wait.

The Patrol is bigger than the Everest and does a great 7.5 second drive. Its a great car let down by aging tech. New one is rumoured soon so lets see what it brings.

Or even the Land Rover Disco which is 6.8 to 100 with a Diesel and about the same weight as an Everest.

I don't buy second hand cars. Its just something I don't do.

My son sold his Y62 Patrol, too many tech issues, including having to fit a new trans under warranty. yesterday he put a deposit on a grey Wildtrak - but an 8 month wait

[fiestaz]

Originally Posted by GT1533

Not wrong there. The Ranger is assembled in Thailand using engines, transmissions and parts made in Thailand, India or China — all countries with labour rates of about one dollar per hour. My educated guess is that the factory cost of production has to be less than $20k per copy. With the average price around $70k each, Ford is taking in $56k after GST and dealer margin, so about $30k+ gross margin.

Anybody buying a Thailand special is getting their pants pulled down….

If you think all the parts going into one of these rangers, plus labour, plus facilities expenses, plus transport plus R&D is $20k worth your absolutely kidding yourself. Educated

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by kypez

No, not kidding. It's why we went with the Everest for the better second row. Tall family and we just weren't comfortable in the Ranger. Everest was better but needed more. Let's see what the new one brings.

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I tend to think all dual cabs suffer from this. Our Pajero Sport is also tight (for my liking, its basically a Triton) in the second row but I didnt want to spend the extra for a full blown 4x4.

Not sure how the RAM or F150 differs, I assume they would sort that issue out.

[GTLEGEND]

Originally Posted by fiestaz

If you think all the parts going into one of these rangers, plus labour, plus facilities expenses, plus transport plus R&D is $20k worth your absolutely kidding yourself. Educated

Dont forget warranty costs have to be factored in as well, so any issues for the next 5 years are covered dollar wise.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

My son sold his Y62 Patrol, too many tech issues, including having to fit a new trans under warranty. yesterday he put a deposit on a grey Wildtrak - but an 8 month wait

That's a worry that it has tech issues with not a lot of tech!

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[kypez]

Originally Posted by Polyal

I tend to think all dual cabs suffer from this. Our Pajero Sport is also tight (for my liking, its basically a Triton) in the second row but I didnt want to spend the extra for a full blown 4x4.



Not sure how the RAM or F150 differs, I assume they would sort that issue out.

The bigger utes have a lot more second row room and by the sounds of it, so does the smaller Maverick!

Width is also one. The territory was wider than the Everest. I wish they maintained at least Territory width (if you remember the Everest test mule with the wider territory rear section showed how much wider it was). Can fit 3 in the second row comfortably. Can't do that in the Ranger/Everest. Even the ads for the Ranger, they have two men in the outward seats and a smaller woman in the middle seat.

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[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by fiestaz

If you think all the parts going into one of these rangers, plus labour, plus facilities expenses, plus transport plus R&D is $20k worth your absolutely kidding yourself. Educated

Educated not, Profit would be lucky to be 10 %, and probably less.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by kypez

The bigger utes have a lot more second row room and by the sounds of it, so does the smaller Maverick!

Width is also one. The territory was wider than the Everest. I wish they maintained at least Territory width (if you remember the Everest test mule with the wider territory rear section showed how much wider it was). Can fit 3 in the second row comfortably. Can't do that in the Ranger/Everest. Even the ads for the Ranger, they have two men in the outward seats and a smaller woman in the middle seat.

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Friends of ours just upgraded to a territory from a Subaru forester due to needing to fit 3 child seats in the car and not wanting to go to a van or much larger 4wd.

The ability to fit 3 across the seat used to be standard. I guess some of that loss of room is side impact safety.

[DoreSlamR]

I haven’t looked into the Maverick much, but unsure what the point of a slightly smaller than Ranger Ute is?

It would be funny if the size of trucks keep trending down and we end up with an almost sedan based ute again ��

Hope Ford kept a hold of the FGX ute plans

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Polyal

I tend to think all dual cabs suffer from this. Our Pajero Sport is also tight (for my liking, its basically a Triton) in the second row but I didnt want to spend the extra for a full blown 4x4.

Not sure how the RAM or F150 differs, I assume they would sort that issue out.

The Ram has enough space to lay on the floor in the 2nd row - seats all fold up for storage underneath they really are that much bigger

[csv8]

Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

The Ram has enough space to lay on the floor in the 2nd row - seats all fold up for storage underneath they really are that much bigger

Not in the Express only in Laramie and Limited..

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

Educated not, Profit would be lucky to be 10 %, and probably less.

Somewhere in the region of 7-8% is most likely from what I can gather. It cost approx $1 billion to develop a new model, and that development cost has to be spread over every vehicle they make. A lot of people just assume that making a car just costs whatever the parts and labour are. Forgetting a thousand other things that cost the company money getting it into the buyers hands.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Somewhere in the region of 7-8% is most likely from what I can gather. It cost approx $1 billion to develop a new model, and that development cost has to be spread over every vehicle they make. A lot of people just assume that making a car just costs whatever the parts and labour are. Forgetting a thousand other things that cost the company money getting it into the buyers hands.

There's a reason makita cost more than ozito.

[kevino]

And shipping Thailand to Aus and roadfreight in Thailand to port and Aus Ports to hold pd centre then roadfreight to dealer, there would be a fair $ amount in those cost items.