US Elections - Boring or Important to Aust?

[Mercury Bullet]

What is he up to now?

I feel like I've died and woken up 12 months ago.
Lots of alternative facts being thrown around - yuuuuge facts!

[Adamz Ghia]

Here's the thing with Trump and what's being reported, you cannot trust what is being written about him or his administration from any source. There is no middle ground in the media with him, they either worship the ground he walks on or they despise him (which is almost every one). The news coverage, and even coverage on social media, makes me sick. Normally I read news from everywhere, left wing, right wing, independent, and take a bit from everything and get a pretty good idea of what's going on. But with him I don't feel like I can truely believe anything that's being written. Rupert wonders why people aren't reading his papers or visiting his websites anymore, maybe he should pull his reporters and editors into line.

What ever you think about him, he won their election under their electoral system fair and square. Plenty of governments have been elected despite losing the popular vote, that's how our systems work. Get over it and just report what's happening.

[Trump]

Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

Here's the thing with Trump and what's being reported, you cannot trust what is being written about him or his administration from any source. There is no middle ground in the media with him, they either worship the ground he walks on or they despise him (which is almost every one). The news coverage, and even coverage on social media, makes me sick. Normally I read news from everywhere, left wing, right wing, independent, and take a bit from everything and get a pretty good idea of what's going on. But with him I don't feel like I can truely believe anything that's being written. Rupert wonders why people aren't reading his papers or visiting his websites anymore, maybe he should pull his reporters and editors into line.

What ever you think about him, he won their election under their electoral system fair and square. Plenty of governments have been elected despite losing the popular vote, that's how our systems work. Get over it and just report what's happening.

"The first casualty of war is truth"

- various

[Trump]

An "interesting" opinion piece in "The Age" this morning:

http://www.theage.com.au/comment/wha...17-guf6fp.html

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by Trump

An "interesting" opinion piece in "The Age" this morning:

http://www.theage.com.au/comment/wha...17-guf6fp.html

[Mercury Bullet]

Originally Posted by Trump

"The first casualty of war is truth"

- various

Which by definition is shutting down the free media and letting the propaganda machine loose.

No doubt the media are acting up. Why?

[Trump]

Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet

Which by definition is shutting down the free media and letting the propaganda machine loose.

No doubt the media are acting up. Why?

That's the thing though, the free press isn't free...

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet

Which by definition is shutting down the free media and letting the propaganda machine loose.

No doubt the media are acting up. Why?

Because MSM, or #FakeStreamMedia which is what they really are, have been caught out parroting the false narrative from their global elite pay masters.

The National Press Club announcement from Robert Kennedy Jr and Robert DeNiro's $100,000 challenge from the World Mercury Project is just one example of MSM refusing to report on a controversial subject as vaccines, because MSM received billions of dollars in advertising dollars from the Harmaceutic industry.

It makes sense though....would you bite or cut off the hand that feeds you?

The fourth estate of government, free press, has completely failed the populations around the world. The MSM these days is no more than a mouthpiece for government and their corporate pay masters.

The establishment don't like Trump, as he won't implement what Empress Clinton would have done.

[Mercury Bullet]

Originally Posted by Trump

That's the thing though, the free press isn't free...

Of course it is. Subject to libel laws etc that every citizen must live by.

Trump would love to have them all gagged if he could.

[Romulus]

Jim Acosta from CNN must feel like an absolute twit being singled out by Trump, and laughed at by his peers.

[cheap]

This is not going to end well for the MSM. The MSM keeps on with their fake news and Trump keeps smashing them with facts...

Trump infront of a huge rally 18/2/2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZpKJz7-cvk .. anyone who thinks he can not speak had better listen to this.

[Peterwl]

Retired Hurt !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s-qTV2Eez8

How does this deranged goose become a TV host ?

If this is what the western world has been reduced to, maybe we should submit to ISIS or have WW3 and start over again.

[cs123]

Originally Posted by cheap

This is not going to end well for the MSM. The MSM keeps on with their fake news and Trump keeps smashing them with facts...

Trump infront of a huge rally 18/2/2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZpKJz7-cvk .. anyone who thinks he can not speak had better listen to this.

Why won't it end well? What does that mean.

The failing NY times has got record subscriptions
The Washington Post is breaking stories about Trumps NSA which saw him fired.
CNNs ratings are up.

There are 7 congressional investigations underway about Trump's campaign and it's links to Russia. When that is out of the way and he is given a clean bill of health then we can get onto looking at his policies.

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by cheap

This is not going to end well for the MSM. The MSM keeps on with their fake news and Trump keeps smashing them with facts...

Trump infront of a huge rally 18/2/2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZpKJz7-cvk .. anyone who thinks he can not speak had better listen to this.

I only got about ten minutes In before I stopped it, but I agree, he was speaking well and looking relaxed.

Interesting times ahead.

[Trump]

Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet

Of course it is. Subject to libel laws etc that every citizen must live by.

Trump would love to have them all gagged if he could.

If something is considered libel by one person but turns out to be fact isn't libel.

However my point wasn't about the freedom of the press per se, but the fact that the press/MSM are owned by hideously wealthy organisations. As such they are not news services, but agenda driven sources of propaganda. I trust the mainstream media about as much as I trust Trump's "alternate facts"... not at all.

The US is on a knife edge, and those that stand to benefit from its collapse are lining the dominoes up...

[Mercury Bullet]

Originally Posted by Trump

If something is considered libel by one person but turns out to be fact isn't libel.

However my point wasn't about the freedom of the press per se, but the fact that the press/MSM are owned by hideously wealthy organisations. As such they are not news services, but agenda driven sources of propaganda. I trust the mainstream media about as much as I trust Trump's "alternate facts"... not at all.

The US is on a knife edge, and those that stand to benefit from its collapse are lining the dominoes up...

"Media moguls" don't bother me so much, someone has to own them and everyone has bias. It's up to us to determine that bias.
What worries me is the decline of traditional news gathering and reporting of facts and the rise of "comment"
I blame the 24 hour news cycle - there's not enough 24/7 NEWS to report so they resort to "commentators" instead.

It's not news and it sure isn't journalism.

[jpblue1000]

So the discrediting of the media is well and truly underway. The concerted effort to blend comment as entertainment and dissenting expose and critique undermines the effect of the third estate, and fascism and other isms can reinforce their base. This is evident in western economies. And the damaging spiral is exponential, as even politicians not just extreme bloggers claim bias, agenda and lies, and give credibility to the notion to those not prepared to think. Because a news article/story doesn't agree with your own opinion doesn't mean its not true, that the reporter has a bias or agenda other than the truth. I acknowledge the profession of journalism has been watered down over recent decades. I have award wining journalists as friends and dont think much of their performance, but there are many who dont fall into this category. But how do you know.
So if journalists aren't to be trusted anymore, where do people get their news, and reporting on events the facts. I'm pretty sure nobody on this forum are at once an economist, legal expert, diplomat, industrialist nor have an inside line to those in power to form their own opinion of actual facts.
Perhaps in a time where the truth is no longer a prerequisite of honesty, the individual needs to broadly read opposing opinions, mix with available news, observe for themselves and form their own opinion. Doesn't take long to work out a feasible reality between it all.
World would be a better place if we all did this

[George V]

There is no such thing as news reporting anymore, not for a long time, it is more of a commentary of news and events now. Media organisations used to be the opinion makers or at least had a hand in consolidating a particular point pf view. They still set the agenda.

We all subscribe to the news outlets which reflect our way of thinking and believe their version of news / opinion / commentary ; possibly sharing the same opinion bubble with like-minded people.

We all believe Ford (used to) make better cars than Holden and wonder how on earth Holden outsold Ford on a routine basis. MSM, Hollywood industry etc are not much different either.

RE Rupert, News Ltd is a relatively small fish, Comcat is the topdog - annual turnover USD 80 Billion, Operating Income USD 17 Billion. According to Wikipedia, their CEO controls one third of all voting shares of this company which gives him "effective control over [Comcast's] every step". Comcast was among the top backers of Barack Obama's presidential runs.

Media organisations do have their own agendas and their favourites. Of course there is nothing wrong with that.


Regards,
George V

[Trump]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

So the discrediting of the media is well and truly underway. The concerted effort to blend comment as entertainment and dissenting expose and critique undermines the effect of the third estate, and fascism and other isms can reinforce their base. This is evident in western economies. And the damaging spiral is exponential, as even politicians not just extreme bloggers claim bias, agenda and lies, and give credibility to the notion to those not prepared to think. Because a news article/story doesn't agree with your own opinion doesn't mean its not true, that the reporter has a bias or agenda other than the truth. I acknowledge the profession of journalism has been watered down over recent decades. I have award wining journalists as friends and dont think much of their performance, but there are many who dont fall into this category. But how do you know.
So if journalists aren't to be trusted anymore, where do people get their news, and reporting on events the facts. I'm pretty sure nobody on this forum are at once an economist, legal expert, diplomat, industrialist nor have an inside line to those in power to form their own opinion of actual facts.
Perhaps in a time where the truth is no longer a prerequisite of honesty, the individual needs to broadly read opposing opinions, mix with available news, observe for themselves and form their own opinion. Doesn't take long to work out a feasible reality between it all.
World would be a better place if we all did this

That is one of the problems of the current power structure; it is so far removed from the governed, it has become irrelevant and to be honest, a threat to the governed unlike any other, perceived or real. The governed should not need "an inside line" if those we choose to represent us are truly our servants (and not the other way round).

[cheap]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

So the discrediting of the media is well and truly underway. The concerted effort to blend comment as entertainment and dissenting expose and critique undermines the effect of the third estate, and fascism and other isms can reinforce their base. This is evident in western economies. And the damaging spiral is exponential, as even politicians not just extreme bloggers claim bias, agenda and lies, and give credibility to the notion to those not prepared to think. Because a news article/story doesn't agree with your own opinion doesn't mean its not true, that the reporter has a bias or agenda other than the truth. I acknowledge the profession of journalism has been watered down over recent decades. I have award wining journalists as friends and dont think much of their performance, but there are many who dont fall into this category. But how do you know.
So if journalists aren't to be trusted anymore, where do people get their news, and reporting on events the facts. I'm pretty sure nobody on this forum are at once an economist, legal expert, diplomat, industrialist nor have an inside line to those in power to form their own opinion of actual facts.
Perhaps in a time where the truth is no longer a prerequisite of honesty, the individual needs to broadly read opposing opinions, mix with available news, observe for themselves and form their own opinion. Doesn't take long to work out a feasible reality between it all.
World would be a better place if we all did this

Most of the time I rely on left wing socialist for the news, I figure out what would be the diametrically opposite to what they say, apply a little bit of clear thinking and bingo.

[jpblue1000]

That explains a lot cheap, opposing a single point of view always leads to a very narrow mind. Assess that point of view balance it against a spectrum of others and perhaps you'll enlighten yourself. There is rarely a single truth other than the one you witness personally, and even then bias and perspective cloud ones view.
JP

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

Uranium!

Sweden

[Maka]

What about the watered down media requirements (legislation) of reporting the truth? No wonder things are the way they are in the western world..

cheers, Maka

[buggerlugs]

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/...4cb100d3d062d8

[CoupeKing]

NASA

http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/16/tr...ve-10-billion/

[CJR09]

so hes in bed with comrade Vlad and now he's looking to get it on with Kim-jong


link

[CoupeKing]

China hit North Korea with this. That's a cash 'Injection' they will miss.


http://fortune.com/2017/02/18/china-...-assasination/

[Fordman1]

Trump is a Narcissist that is only interested in his popularity and image. This whole thing is "about him" and not about the people of America.

We are going to see a lot of WTF moments for a long time.

[CJR09]

from 1990


vid

[CJR09]

Washington Times on day without immigrants