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Old 13-10-2022, 07:32 PM   #1141
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[QUOTE=Citroënbender;6750754]Copyright possibly infringed… The first two reminded me of the second pair, by their postures (and intellect)?

Please excuse but I cut off the graphics. Have you all seen the photograph C/o Getty Images, Mickhail Klimentyev of Trump and Putin 2017. Mind you not snuggled up as close as Trump and Morrison in a 2019 photograph. Both are smiling !
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Molfar Global hypothesising that the Kerch Bridge explosion may have been by air or water drone.

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I think there is no doubt that the American industrial military complex is
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Another? In addition to ukrainische v russischen? Do tell

There’s no doubt that both sides are running munitions stockpiles down at an alarming rate. The unfortunate factor for the russischen is that sanctions prevent replenishment of chip technology. So they have to rely on Middle East bottle rockets…
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A couple of concerned citizens realising they won't have a seat at camp David when the proverbial hits the fan....

https://twitter.com/i/status/1580399538979753989

At some stage, the local cheer leaders are going to come to the same realisation. Joe and Jane won't have a bunker to hide in when this kicks off.
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Another? In addition to ukrainische v russischen? Do tell

There’s no doubt that both sides are running munitions stockpiles down at an alarming rate. The unfortunate factor for the russischen is that sanctions prevent replenishment of chip technology. So they have to rely on Middle East bottle rockets…
I reckon the Mericans have found a way of not having to sustainably dispose of all of their last generation stuff. It is probably cheaper to give to the Ukrainians.

All the reaaaallllyyyy good new stuff is not what they are supplying. IMHO
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I reckon the Mericans have found a way of not having to sustainably dispose of all of their last generation stuff. It is probably cheaper to give to the Ukrainians.

All the reaaaallllyyyy good new stuff is not what they are supplying. IMHO
This also could be said for Russia since they feared NATO intervention in the war, think they are using old surplus trying to achieve their objective.
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Phew..lucky for me your vocab is limited to only two syllables...
I'd be happy to read more of your opinion mate. But maybe not with what drivel you've just posted and criticised me for.

Why do you think Putin is going to win? Why do you think the US wants to make Ukraine a state of theirs (as in a proxy war.. I'm sure they don't, they only care that the majority there is unwantedly being fed back into a state to build its strength up - at the same time we are wondering why that would be needed - failed state? Better climate to grow crops to feed the failing whole?)

Don't shoot the messenger (or questioner). Surely, we would like every state to be their best, and yet there seems to be a few that feels they can be better by exploiting their might. How is that, in particular, right?
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A different perspective from the ISW today - study on the strategic importance of the final front lines for this year for Ukraine and the West.

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This campaign assessment special edition focuses on the specific parts of Ukrainian territory currently under Russian occupation that are important for the long-term viability of an independent Ukraine. Ukrainian forces are currently conducting a counteroffensive push in Kherson Oblast as of October 16. We will update our maps after information about the new front lines unambiguously enters the open-source environment.
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I'd be happy to read more of your opinion mate. But maybe not with what drivel you've just posted and criticised me for.


You trawled all that way back to find that post?
have you been in a coma?

If you wait a while longer the war would have been over...
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We've been waiting.. based on your commentary... really.. ever so long now......
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Yeah Minyip, you've got even less syllables, so if you're looking for happiness, put a ring on it.
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This also could be said for Russia since they feared NATO intervention in the war, think they are using old surplus trying to achieve their objective.
“Ruzzia’s” ‘old surplus’ is their best current modern technology.

Don’t be fooled by the worlds’ biggest kleptocracy (over the last 100 years), the thieves leading that country, and the invasion of their neighbor, have reduced their GDP to one smaller than Australia, lol.

The invader’s military is fake, just like their SU-57 (fake stealth fighter), and their T-14 parade tank. It’s all fake BS, and absolutely hilarious.

Rusty AK’s are distributed to the hopelessly unmotivated mobilised cannon fodder, (that can’t escape “Ruzzia”) and the “Ruzzia” fan club should recognise that their nuclear weapons require a lot of money to maintain.

BTW: “Ruzzia” have zero chance of maintaining that nuclear stockpile. What a laughing stock their military is.

There is no modern technology, the money has been stolen by the Kleptocracy, and the cannon fodder is being sent to their deaths ( for nothing ).
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A Russian economist has put out a paper predicting the collapse of the Russian economy.
https://theins.ru/en/opinion/vladisl...zemtsev/255450
He confirms rumours that the current mobilisation is intended to draft not 300,000 but 1,000,000 new recruits into the military. But his opinion is that not the loss of these men nor the others that have fled the country will cause the collapse. He suggests that when recruiters start to visit workplaces to fill their quotas many men will quit their jobs and this will be the final straw for the economy. His estimate is that three or four million men will disappear from the legal workforce and try to support themselves in blackmarket activities.
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A Russian economist has put out a paper predicting the collapse of the Russian economy.
https://theins.ru/en/opinion/vladisl...zemtsev/255450
He confirms rumours that the current mobilisation is intended to draft not 300,000 but 1,000,000 new recruits into the military. But his opinion is that not the loss of these men nor the others that have fled the country will cause the collapse. He suggests that when recruiters start to visit workplaces to fill their quotas many men will quit their jobs and this will be the final straw for the economy. His estimate is that three or four million men will disappear from the legal workforce and try to support themselves in blackmarket activities.
**Yawn*** nothing beats wild guesswork based on prejudice, delivered in the guise of fact, but actually just another episode of thinly veiled propoganda for the simpletons.
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https://theins.ru/en/opinion/vladisl...zemtsev/255450
He confirms rumours that the current mobilisation is intended to draft not 300,000 but 1,000,000 new recruits into the military. But his opinion is that not the loss of these men nor the others that have fled the country will cause the collapse. He suggests that when recruiters start to visit workplaces to fill their quotas many men will quit their jobs and this will be the final straw for the economy. His estimate is that three or four million men will disappear from the legal workforce and try to support themselves in blackmarket activities.
Those savages will mobilise grand mothers from villages soon, the kleptocracy will keep their own at home, and everyone else that can escape goes.

Great country “Ruzzia”. LoL
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Great country “Ruzzia”. LoL
It's actually a beautiful place.
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“Ruzzia” is a “s-hole” full of simpletons that believe what they’re fed by the Kleptocracy, there are a couple of other countries in that category:

1. North Korea

2. ? Mmmm, Probably not Syria, because the opposition was murdered with help from “Ruzzia”.
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Yep, some interesting thoughts - and I'm not just talking about him saying 25% conscripts in Vietnam is "one fifth" which is definitely interesting.

That whole bit about conscription I feel is a moot point though - I mean if NATO were to be dragged into the conflict in Ukraine I just don't think there would be a need for conscription in the West.

The way he said NATO could possibly being dragged into the conflict was if Ukraine were to have referendums where certain regions voted to join Poland or Romania. Basically the same play Russia tried with their sham referendums - difference being the Ukrainian referendums could actually be legal and sanctioned (but that assumes cooperation from Poland and Romania) - but tactic behind the referendum would be same as Russia's.

Russia's intent was to make those 4 regions part of Russia, and therefore they could label Ukraine's defensive actions against Russia's invasion of those areas as attacks on Russia and use that as reason to escalate. In his scenario certain parts of Ukraine would legally vote to be made part of a NATO member's country, therefore Russia's continued invasion of those areas would be invasion of a NATO member and require NATO defensive action.

I can't see that happening myself, but even if it did I can't see that leading to conscription in the US or anywhere else in the West. I know "Never underestimate your enemy" but I just don't see NATO being troubled by Russian forces in conventional battle in Ukraine to then need to go to the conscription barrel.

In his scenario NATO would not be looking to invade or attack Russia; they'd simply enter the conflict to defend the parts of former Ukraine that were now part of a NATO country.

The first part of that would be NATO air assets enforcing a no-fly zone which would include destruction of Russia's anti-air capabilities in the region. The fact that Russia still does not have air superiority over Ukraine alone does not make me think NATO forces would struggle to take control of the air. I know Russia has not yet committed full air forces to the conflict, but that is because they are unable to remove the ground-based threats to their air fleet. I know it is a long death by PowerPoint by Perun did a good video on this the other week:



With respect to conflict at sea, Turkey has already invoked the Montreaux Convention and so is preventing any naval vessels (Russian or otherwise) entering the Black Sea. But NATO does not need ships to engage Russia's Black Sea fleet; air assets could do that job (and then there is also possibly these unmanned vessels too - not yet confirmed by open sources but looks like Russia had a "tough night" on the water going by these videos and these tweets: https://twitter.com/NOELreports/stat...5Es2_&ref_url= and https://twitter.com/NOELreports/stat...5Es1_&ref_url=

(daytime footage that starts about 30 seconds into that second video is interesting, you'd be disappointed with the wayward shooting of that helicopter trying to destroy the drone vessel, and the guys on that small boat must be happy to have gotten out the way).

On the ground, with air superiority established, I don't think NATO would need call on more than the established forces of all 30-odd NATO nations to repel Russian ground fores. Ukraine's military (undoubtedly strengthened by NATO weaponry, training, and intelligence) has managed to stop Russia's advances and in all but a few fronts are gradually pushing them back - throw just the 'regular' equipment and troops of 30 NATO nations into the mix, combined with air assets, and I doubt there would be need for conscription in the West.

And all of the above probably now not necessary anyway, as looks like Ukraine has completed work on its genetically modified birds in its biolabs:


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Basically the same play Russia tried with their sham referendums - difference being the Ukrainian referendums could actually be legal and sanctioned (but that assumes cooperation from Poland and Romania) - but tactic behind the referendum would be same as Russia's.


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The "rule of law" generally requires the accuser to hold the burden of proof. Not the other way around.

No different to the "2020 stolen election".

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Gotta wonder if the "millions" flocking in from the south realise they could be conscripted under the S S S.
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