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19-12-2014, 06:11 PM | #11911 | |||
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Don't get me wrong it looks great, but unless you never carry any passenger, have a flat driveway and don't have to go over many speed pumps or ever use undercover parking than yes it probably is practical.
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19-12-2014, 07:26 PM | #11912 | |||
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20-12-2014, 10:49 AM | #11913 | |||
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46 psi + traction control on, run a 5.2 & 13.3 and then record that in the back of the magazine as the cars official times |
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20-12-2014, 11:09 AM | #11914 | |||
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These figures at 0-80 clearly show the XR8 was nobbled by the traction control and 46psi. They do note when using the XR8 unfettered by their crappy driving and lack of due diligence on tyre pressures that when up to speed- "at high speed the XR8's supercharged thrust is intoxicating"- code for it goes like stink....and should go like stink from the get go..... Call themselves a professional motoring magazine and unable to run tests with proper psi and ability to coax out the power and traction on a performance acceleration test when the consensus appears to be the launch control is slower than human controlled takeoff.... And then have the gall to put their unprofessional testing work in as official figures, ...knobs
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20-12-2014, 11:25 AM | #11915 | ||
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Yeah in an auto at that.. Imagine them trying to quarter mile a manual.
The problem is the general public believe what these magazines report as gospel. There would be thousands of potential FG buyers over the years that never sat in an FG cause wheels/motor rubbished the seating position year after year. 46psi n complaining about traction issues sez it all... |
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20-12-2014, 11:56 AM | #11916 | ||
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Bottom line is whatever is said, cars revered in the future willbe those with competition credentials or those which feel special to drive and own.
Funnily enough recognized by Wheels Bauer stablemate, Top Gear Magazine this month..... "The XR8 as [sic] a great Australian muscle car and a perfect tribute to the legend of the Ford Falcon." "We opened the XR8 bonnet before setting off, and it was like lifting the lid of a treasure chest in comparison to the SS. You can see thr block, the heads and a dirty great supercharger on top with a polished metal cover. This is the sort of engine you'd be continually popping the bonnet to show off." "I crank the key, the supercharged V8 fires up and I select Drive. As soon as I press the accelerator, I know the contest (with SSV redline) is over." "It might be dated in some respects, but the XR8 is a modern day muscle car classic, which is likely to be spoken of in hushed tones by future generations. It also has the honour of whooping the SS(V Redline) Commodore and that is a rare feat among Falcons." No figures though, but they note the >100 kw difference on overboost so it will be interesting to see a properly conducted test. Not sure if thinking Wheels' and Motor's performance "problems" reflect the tester's ability/competance or Ford (at this stage understandably) not spending dosh advertising Falcon while Holden is pushing Commodore to the end is worse. Yes, I have had an XR8 on order since October so I want it to be good. This is my last opportunity to support Australian's making an Australian (by design and manufacture) product line that has given me so much pleasure over the years and she will be used. Having briefly seen a FGX XR8 in the flesh 2 weeks ago and stirred that car from her slumber I know I won't be disappointed as long as mine is screwed together and finished nicely (Silhouette manual; if anyone at Broadmeadows is interested I have a SIDO ). |
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20-12-2014, 02:09 PM | #11917 | ||
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Any engine builders or anyone in the know, I want to know what the Miami can safely rev too?
I saw on JB's GT-F top speed run that they raised the rev limiter.. Is this a safe mod longevity wise? When I tune mine eventually I wouldn't mind more revs as many as I can get, I wouldn't worry about it if the engine won't like it though... Would love a 7000rpm screamer and being a DOHC small capacity V8 am thinking it would handle a few revs.. Yes/no?? Cheers in advance |
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20-12-2014, 02:23 PM | #11918 | |||
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Logic says that the more it revs, the more distance pistons travel, and the quicker it will wear out.
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20-12-2014, 02:34 PM | #11919 | |||
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I on the other hand am not chasing extra power by revving further just love the sound of a screaming V8.. I'm only thinking like 6500,6600 maybe. If it's well capable of those RPM's I'd certainly be keen.. It wouldn't be revved there all the time but enough to keep the webs out! |
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20-12-2014, 05:08 PM | #11920 | ||
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Redline on the stock 5.0 Coyote (N/A) on which the Miami is based, is 7,000 RPM, with max HP (435) @ 6,500 RPM.
BTW, the new N/A 5.2 ltr "Voodoo" FPC for the Mustang GT350 has a 8,200 RPM Redline !!! |
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20-12-2014, 06:25 PM | #11921 | ||
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Has the radiator support changed between FG and FGX? Have an FG that I wouldn't mind doing some cosmetic surgery to.
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20-12-2014, 07:02 PM | #11923 | |||
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IMO the V8 sound comes into it's own past 6500.. Would love to hear a small cube screamin Ferrari V8 bouncing off the limiter! |
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20-12-2014, 07:34 PM | #11924 | |||
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The issue with the Miami is that it has some different internals to handle the extra pressure from boost, and although those parts are stronger they have never been tested at higher rpm. It could probably handle it but I think more than likely FPV dropped the rev limiter to take some unneeded stress off the motor, and with it hitting their power requirements before 6000 rpm there was no point taking it higher. The Boss 302 conrods it has handle 7500 rpm standard in a Boss 302. Crank is a ripper forged unit that will handle it no worries either. Not sure about pistons etc, they are unique to Miami. I'd say the cams would be up to those revs too, as they are the same as Boss 302, although the exhaust cam isn't variable which may limit its ability to make peak power higher. So i'd say it could probably handle it, but without testing it's hard to know. And even if it does, there's not much point as power has already peaked well before then and it's just making noise. But that's also the noise you want |
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20-12-2014, 07:35 PM | #11925 | ||
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Will that N/A 5.2 Litre engine direct bolt into our falcons, along with supercharger? or is there a whole lot more to it?
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20-12-2014, 07:37 PM | #11926 | ||
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I thought the oil pump was the main issue with the Coyote regarding revs.
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20-12-2014, 07:37 PM | #11927 | ||
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And also another little snippit of info from AMC mag. The writer was told that about an inch has been shaved from the seat foam to get them down lower, and to create some extra room between seat and steering wheel for FGX.
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20-12-2014, 08:08 PM | #11928 | |||
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20-12-2014, 08:29 PM | #11929 | |||
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You know- had a ****** evening with the usual family rubbish with sister in law/brother in law tensions with the "edgy" other half, and this brought a smile on my 1 year work fried face for the first time in god knows how long. Nothing like going round a corner with the engine screaming blue murder on the upped rev limiter........
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20-12-2014, 09:13 PM | #11930 | ||
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Cheers boss... Id be confident in a 6600 cut every now and than.. Just for special occasions when u feel like giving your miami a good rev in 2nd!
Looking at JB's 300 vid I never realised how much taller the gearing is in the V8 compared to the I6T.. Like 30-40kph taller in 4th and 5th. |
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21-12-2014, 03:43 PM | #11931 | ||
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Had a look at a white xr6t sedan today at the dealership lot, really looks the goods in person, also seen a g6e out and about, but I don't rate it, all that chrome is offensive.
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21-12-2014, 04:10 PM | #11932 | ||
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Just saw a white and a smoke g6e sedan driving around in the full sunlight, man what a sight. When you get used to the look of the cars on the road and this pops up it really stands out. When you drive past one the front and the back tie in nicely. You got to see one in action to fully appreciate. Nice one Ford.
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21-12-2014, 04:43 PM | #11933 | |||
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But just imagine Ford saying goodbye with an updated 2016 XR8 with this motor in it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzKff5Gze7s
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21-12-2014, 05:00 PM | #11934 | |||
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21-12-2014, 05:17 PM | #11935 | ||
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21-12-2014, 05:56 PM | #11936 | ||
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"Make no mistake, this is an American interpretation of a flat-plane crankshaft V8, and the 5.2-liter produces a distinctive, throaty howl from its four exhaust tips," said Jamal Hameedi, chief engineer of Ford Global Performance Vehicles, in a statement.
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The difference is internal - with the Big End Journals set at 180 degrees (ie Flat), rather than 90 Degrees of the typical (Cross Plane) V8. This (FPC) is the same configuration as used by Ford Cosworth (Famous DFV V8 Engine), Ferrari & Lotus. http://articles.sae.org/13709/ Quote:
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22-12-2014, 09:48 AM | #11938 | ||
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That's the comment I made on multiple youtube videos and was told I'm an idiot by countless people...
Perhaps Ford/SVT have used a 4-2-1 Header and instead of pairing the inner two cylinders and outer two cylinders per bank, they have paired the front two and the rear two. That would give a lumpy note not associated with the flat plane crank V8. |
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22-12-2014, 11:14 AM | #11939 | |||
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Now, if this could find its way into the final incarnation of the XR8 ! (not knocking the Miami 335) Here is a better idea of the aural delights GT350 attacking the Nurburgring: www.youtube.com/watch?v=2084XOt-Sj4#t=99 www.youtube.com/watch?v=aO9LYepgRq0 www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgRjVdJYgrk#t=140 Last edited by stevefreestyle; 22-12-2014 at 11:26 AM. |
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22-12-2014, 12:40 PM | #11940 | ||
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Nice mod for Boss-engined BA, BF, FG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB0MBZ4EYqI
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