VFacts Jan 2010 - Page 4

XR Martin · 07-02-2010, 10:25 PM

The ones we have at work are more reliable than the Hiluxs.....

snappy · 07-02-2010, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

The ones we have at work are more reliable than the Hiluxs.....

From what i hear hilux's arn't what they used to be

Deco28 · 08-02-2010, 09:10 PM

I predict Commodore sales expanding the gap next month.

Just released $35,990 SV6.

That and the International Omega..

Windsor220 · 08-02-2010, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Deco28

I predict Commodore sales expanding the gap next month.

Just released $35,990 SV6.

That and the International Omega..

A fleet order of 25 Omegas just went through at work to Budget. Id say this month will be quite good for Commodore.

4Vman · 08-02-2010, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Windsor220

A fleet order of 25 Omegas just went through at work to Budget. Id say this month will be quite good for Commodore.

Only if Holden made money on the sale......

phillyc · 08-02-2010, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by russellw

Unfortunately the data doesn't breakdown the numbers but I am sure Ford would have them and I shall ask next week.

Cheers
Russ

I also think that had Ford won that sedan battle, we would've heard!

phillyc · 08-02-2010, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Deco28

I predict Commodore sales expanding the gap next month.

Just released $35,990 SV6.

That and the International Omega..

The extra money GM Holden were trying to charge for the SV6 over the XR6 didn't last all that long. The hype of SIDI is fading and the Bathurst fuel test coverage IMO was a masterstroke by Ford in helping themselves.

I don't know anyone who has bought a new Commodore, but I know a couple who have bought FG Falcons recently.

jpd80 · 08-02-2010, 10:08 PM

Battle for top sales honours with Australian-built cars is closer than it seems

Windsor220 · 08-02-2010, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Only if Holden made money on the sale......

For sure. We were talking about it at work saying they would make almost nothing on it. Will make the numbers look good though.

Deco28 · 08-02-2010, 10:29 PM

I don't understand why you guys want the Commodore to fail..

Even Americans can find support for both GM and Ford....

4Vman · 08-02-2010, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Deco28

I don't understand why you guys want the Commodore to fail..

Even Americans can find support for both GM and Ford....

Nobody wants it to fail, but some people have a pre occupation with sales numbers alone, there's no point leading the numbers game if you don't make money doing it...
Id rather see Ford sell less vehicles but get the model mix right and make a decent profit.....
75% of commodore sales are to fleets.... that's a staggering figure and certainly places some context on their numbers "victory"...

4VCLEVO · 08-02-2010, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Battle for top sales honours with Australian-built cars is closer than it seems

The Craptiva should of been put with the wagon sales to make it fair.

4VCLEVO · 08-02-2010, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

75% of commodore sales are to fleets.... that's a staggering figure and certainly places some context on their numbers "victory"...

Do you happen to know what Fords fleet sales % is?

4Vman · 08-02-2010, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 4VCLEVO

The Craptiva should of been put with the wagon sales to make it fair.

Not really, its a stand alone platform, the Terri is a Falcon derivative.

snappy · 08-02-2010, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 4VCLEVO

The Craptiva should of been put with the wagon sales to make it fair.

Not to mention the graph is for aussie built cars , an the captiva certainly is not.

snappy · 08-02-2010, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Deco28

I don't understand why you guys want the Commodore to fail..

Even Americans can find support for both GM and Ford....

Well speaking for myself i dont want holden to fail. Just want ford to win that is all

jpd80 · 08-02-2010, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Not really, its a stand alone platform, the Terri is a Falcon derivative.

It's not really a derivative, it's actually a separate platform
that shares about 40% of its parts with the Falcon.

Either way, the chart is valid with respect to locally designed and manufactured vehicles...

4VCLEVO · 08-02-2010, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by snappy

Not to mention the graph is for aussie built cars , an the captiva certainly is not.

I didn't notice the Aus built bit.
I was looking at it as the terry and the craptiva would be against each other in the market place.

Joe5619 · 09-02-2010, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by 4VCLEVO

The Craptiva should of been put with the wagon sales to make it fair.

It is meant to be comparing AUSTRALIAN built cars.. Craptiva was left off for this reason.

Outback · 09-02-2010, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by phillyc

I'd be interested to know that too. Going on the recent past, GMH have sold 3,800 Commodores a month & 1,200 have been wagons. Ford has been selling 2,800 Falcons a month & 400 of those are wagons. The wagon split is about 30% at GMH & 15% at Ford.

This was the sales for January - Holden Commodore (3241), Ford Falcon (2318). Using the same split you'd get 2300 VE sedans & 2000 FG sedans.

If anyone has the info (Russ?!) it would be good to know actuals!

Holden havent gone by GMH since 2005 when they changed it to Holden LTD.

**russellw** · 09-02-2010, 06:16 PM

I'm still waiting on the wagon sales from Ford but the FPV numbers arrived today (thanks Sebastian).

On those numbers the Holden sporting derivatives - SS Wagon and SS-V Wagon make up 13.3% of their sales with Utes contributing 42.6% and sedans 44.1%.

In the case of HSV, sedans made up 65.38%; Utes 29.23% and wagon 5.38%.

Cheers
Russ

tezxr8man · 09-02-2010, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bfiipursuit

i dunno why Ford shuts for so long over christmas, most other business work thru, its about time Ford did the same.

Damn them for looking after their workers!! thats an outrage

vztrt · 23-02-2010, 07:30 PM

Business credit demand punctured

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...2576D200839D4F

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Tax incentive demise drives down business demand for vehicle credit in January

23 February 2010

By JAMES STANFORD

BUSINESS credit demand slumped in January after the federal government's accelerated tax depreciation scheme finished on December 31.

Vehicle credit information provider VedaAuto, which measures credit demand data provided by more than 1600 companies, has revealed that requests for business car loans was down 40 per cent compared to a spike in December.

"The government scheme brought forward a large amount of demand and so it was not surprising that we saw that fall away in January," said VedaAuto spokesman Chris Gration.

While business vehicle credit demand dropped dramatically from December, January's result was not as bad at that figure might suggest. The business credit demand is 3.4 per cent up when compared with January 2009, in the middle of the global financial crisis.

Last month, personal vehicle credit demand was up 17 per cent compared with December and down 12.5 per cent compared with January 2009.

Mr Gration said it was possible that there could be some crossover from business to private credit demand now that the government incentive has been withdrawn, with some customers who may have bought a vehicle as a business asset now happy to buy it as a private purchase.

Despite the massive number of trade-ins flooding the market as businesses took advantage of the tax break, used-car credit demand dropped 12 per cent compared with December.

VedaAuto says used-car credit demand levels for the past 12 months were down 48 per cent on 2008 levels.

Mr Gration attributed this to new-car tax incentives and predicted the abundance of used cars entering the market at the end of last year would lead to a rebound in used-car enquiry.

"We do expect to see an increase in used-car credit demand,” he said. “There is a lot of good stock out there and it is a great time to buy a used car.”

Overall, vehicle credit demand for January was down 8.5 per cent compared to January 2009.

According to VFACTS, vehicle sales were up 11.6 per cent on January 2009.

Mr Gration said it was not yet possible to see what would happen with new-car sales and said it was too early to get a clear picture of the longer-term result of the government tax incentives.

"We really need another quarter of data to see what is happening," he said.

"It is unclear at this point whether we will see another acceleration or a flattening."

phillyc · 23-02-2010, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Outback

Holden havent gone by GMH since 2005 when they changed it to Holden LTD.

That's right. But, they are still a part of General Motors and when you say / write GMH it's a reminder of their bankrupt parent, pathetic products and that GMH isn't Australian as too many of the populace think.

Outback · 24-02-2010, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by phillyc

That's right. But, they are still a part of General Motors and when you say / write GMH it's a reminder of their bankrupt parent, pathetic products and that GMH isn't Australian as too many of the populace think.

Look at the sales figures, have ford ever sold more cars in a month then Holden?
they never have and never will, ford will always play second fiddle to holden.

Smoke Pursuit · 24-02-2010, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tezxr8man

Damn them for looking after their workers!! thats an outrage

Yeh right.. Does the rest of Australia shut down for 4 - 5 weeks over christmas?? I dont think so.

Grow up.

irlewy86 · 24-02-2010, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bfiipursuit

Yeh right.. Does the rest of Australia shut down for 4 - 5 weeks over christmas?? I dont think so.

Grow up.

The manufacturing sector does.

cosmo20btt · 24-02-2010, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Outback

Look at the sales figures, have ford ever sold more cars in a month then Holden?
they never have and never will, ford will always play second fiddle to holden.

A few times where Ford Falcon out sold Commode, for some one on a Ford site your very anti Ford.

**Fordman1** · 24-02-2010, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Outback

Look at the sales figures, have ford ever sold more cars in a month then Holden?
they never have and never will, ford will always play second fiddle to holden.

Mmmm............. "Never" is a long time - you're a Troll are you ?

Ford consistantly outsold Holden until 1997 (since the 80's) - almost every month infact !

In the mid 90's Ford smashed Holden in sales....with the EF Falcon and the portfolio of other products they had.

Perhaps you should check your facts... Hmmmmmmm.... ?

Joe5619 · 24-02-2010, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bfiipursuit

Yeh right.. Does the rest of Australia shut down for 4 - 5 weeks over christmas?? I dont think so.

Grow up.

Trying getting any work done to your house over that period & you'll see how worng that commment is!!

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Originally Posted by Outback

Look at the sales figures, have ford ever sold more cars in a month then Holden?
they never have and never will, ford will always play second fiddle to holden.

A busines is not about winning a sales race, it is about making money!! Ford Australia made money in qtr4 2009, did Holden?????