The most expensive new Holden ever built $197k W427. - Page 4

barbarian · 07-07-2009, 08:19 PM

I really doubt this W427 would hold it's value given the constant rise in power out puts on daily cars like XR8 and GT in every 2-3 years. GT now has 315kw, who knows what it will be like in 5 years time? 350kw anyone?

GT-HO was special because it took Australian manufacturers 30 years to make another car of the same power output.

rootster · 07-07-2009, 08:23 PM

the red book has given the w427 a resale value of 49% in 3 years......

JOF062 · 07-07-2009, 08:30 PM

Its a bullet..would look good in my shed! But i would't drive it coz i'm a ford man. NOT!
http://www.hsv.com.au/w427/

CHEETR · 07-07-2009, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Considering the W427 was a bit of a failure for HSV resulting is sales a fair bit lower than they expected, what sort of impact will that have on future values? Popularity was nowhere near where they would have wanted it to be.

Maybe a few potential buyers realized how ugly the thing is and didn't want it, which could also affect buyers in the future, who would rather buy something that looks better like a GTS.

HSV specials have never had much success in keeping their values, GTS 300 anyone?

i beg to differ regarding the values..

HSV VL walkinshaw fetching aroudn the 100k mark

HSV VN GROUP A fetching 50-60k

HSV VR CLUBSPORT MOBIL (3 made) last one sold for 140k

HSV VS GTS-R - fetch 100k+

ehast13 · 07-07-2009, 08:31 PM

A GTHO was less than 52 weeks average wage in 1971. A ****inshaw427 is over 3 years ave wage.

On a side point, Did anyone see the w427 at the qld muscale car shindig a two weekends ago. I was the slowest car in the muscle regularity run (being out run by a series of road registered xt - bf gt's and a couple of hotted up commodores aswell). It was even lain to waste by a hot 302 windsor xt gt!

I'l admit, it's pretty mean production car but not the stuff of my dreams. Having said that, I wouldn't wet myself over a 1900kg, 370kw, $165,000+ FG GT-HO.

Not alot would catch a phase falcon around a track, or in a straight line.

For example, in 1970 wheels tested the xw ph2 gtho. It pulled a 14.2 quarter. In the same issue the great lamborghini (countach I think it was - the one that looks like a doorstop) pulled a 14.1.

I doubt a w427 would run away from an evo 8,9,10 (whatever number we are up to) around mt panorama. A cheaper Nissan GTR would probably lay waste to it. A wps clubsport would beat it too (for 80k less)

The w427 is a collectable car in the fact that it is the first (and possibly last) 7.0 low volume 'ultimate' HSV. It will go down in value for the next 20 years and then go back up.

It just doesn't have the true cred of an xr - xy gt. But what does? I guess it is like a modern version of Bill bourke's 428 xwgt.

HSV W427 = I don't want one

Not at that price, anyway!

747jet · 07-07-2009, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by snappy84

Lucky man , it must be nice to have cash .

no cash mate its all the banks money

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**Dave R** · 07-07-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DAVO_XR

Thats not a fair comparison, your comparing a sports car to a super car. Thats like me saying yeah well the GT40 will flog the W427 around. Theyre closer matched than a fpv gt and the W427 are considering its an american engine anyway. God I hate this W427, and this guy is a perfect example of the buyers market, too much money than he knows what to do with.

Our Boss engines are also American truck engines. Either way, the W427 is the king, despite its price tag. FPV doesn't need to have a competitor for it.

**DJM83** · 07-07-2009, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CHEETR

HSV VR CLUBSPORT MOBIL (3 made) last one sold for 140k

Never heard of them, i guess with only 3 built thats why. Any info or pics?

As for people comparing the WD to the R35 GTR why dont you compare running costs for them aswell. And yes i know more then likely if you own one you can afford to maintain it and that it probably wouldnt get drivin all that often.

Auslandau · 07-07-2009, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rooster

Sorry you've lost me on this, don't generalise
but 100's of 1000's of people could afford it without blinking?

I did put this quote in?

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Originally Posted by Rooster

i don't have one; therefore it is crap = tall poppy syndrome.

Must have misunderstood then as I interpreted it as you saying .... if I or anyone who doesn't have one, they then think its crap = tall poppy syndrome ...... or am I missing the hidden message? Yes I don't have one, no I don't want one, yes I think its crappy, no its not because I haven't got one and no it hasn't anything to do with 'tall poppy syndrome'

The next section .....

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It's not their taste.

You got it in one ...... so why did you ask me to explain? It's not all about knocking things because I or anyone else hasn't got one (Tall poppy syndrome thingy)..... it may be that some here just do not like it including those that can afford it.

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barbarian · 07-07-2009, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

Never heard of them, i guess with only 3 built thats why. Any info or pics?

As for people comparing the WD to a skyline (R35) why dont you compare running costs for them aswell. And yes i know more then likely if you own one you can afford to maintain it and that it probably wouldnt get drivin all that often.

Correction, R35 GTR is no Skyline. Unlike the previous GTR's this one has its entirely own platform

CHEETR · 07-07-2009, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

Never heard of them, i guess with only 3 built thats why. Any info or pics?

As for people comparing the WD to a skyline (R35) why dont you compare running costs for them aswell. And yes i know more then likely if you own one you can afford to maintain it and that it probably wouldnt get drivin all that often.

there is a site somewhere on them, one was sold on ebay not long ago.

there were 3 made, all personally signed by brock.

one red
one white
one blue

all in the mobil colours running the 5.7 holden stroker motor and 6speed

**DJM83** · 07-07-2009, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by barbarian

Correction, R35 GTR is no Skyline. Unlike the previous GTR's this one has its entirely own platform

Correct mate i picked that up after i posted. Will correct it

Rooster · 07-07-2009, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by auslandau

I did put this quote in?

Must have misunderstood then as I interpreted it as you saying .... if I or anyone who doesn't have one, they then think its crap = tall poppy syndrome ...... or am I missing the hidden message? Yes I don't have one, no I don't want one, yes I think its crappy, no its not because I haven't got one and no it hasn't anything to do with 'tall poppy syndrome'

The next section .....

You got it in one ...... so why did you ask me to explain? It's not all about knocking things because I or anyone else hasn't got one (Tall poppy syndrome thingy)..... it may be that some here just do not like it including those that can afford it.

auslandau, yes it was a generalisation, because people will bag it for the flag it flys under not the product. It was posted because the culture of Australia is to knock down the tall poppy, I never alluded to the fact that everyone should worship this vehicle or has to like it. I agree that there are people who can afford it and won't buy it, there are people who do like it and can't afford it and those who don't like it and can't afford it. And insert whatever algorithms you like. The fleet which my hands touch include a 532 BB Ford, 351 Clevo, 5.4L 3 Valve, 6L LS2 and a blown LS7. A good product is a good product........ I wouldn't even buy a W427 if I could afford it.

The point is people need to shed themselves of whatever alliance they have and go "hey great product, way too expensive though" or "What a piece of plastic garbage, i'll stick to my 351 4V and never look back".

You have chosen to bite on a generalisation and pick it apart.
If you want to buy a new FG GT, throw another $15-20K at it and run circles around the W427, go nuts. This is a locally built 7Lt 8 Iron, tipping your hat at this doesn't mean you betray your loyalties. It is merely a sign of respect.

peace out

timmo · 07-07-2009, 09:14 PM

I believe when Skaife was test driving the W427 he stated that it was the closest thing he'd driven to the VN race car of the early 90's...he meant this firmly as a compliment. The R&D and build price is worth more than the RRP of the W427, not to mention the billion that was spent on the development of the VE. That in itself is testament to HSV's passion for developing a supercar.
For every Ford enthusiast that pushes the XR6T or F6 argument, there will be the Holden fan that pushes the VL Turbo line....without a genuine production car race series, we require new cars like this to push the other manufacturer to out do them...my 2 cents

ehast13 · 07-07-2009, 09:28 PM

Timmo.

It was tander (not skaife) who likened it to "a v8 supercar of ten years ago". Tander is paid to spout Bull$hyte like that.

10 years ago, the v8's still put out over 600 hp and lapped bathurst in under 2:10

18 years ago, VN's pulled 2:16's at Bathurst and put out over 500hp

A walky puts out more torque but is not even a match for a 1300 ish kg VK group A race car!

The R&D cost is a joke. It now has to be ammortised over 120 ish cars instead of 400. It is overpriced. It is NOT NOT NOT 100,000 dollars better than a clubsport.

It only just beats an F6 to 100kph.

It is not a world beater in any sense of the word.

For 20 grand less you can pick up c63 AMG, GTR, M3 etc.

For 100 k less, you can get an evo or sti that woul lay waste to its 1900kg *** on everything but the most free-flowing track.

I do agree, tho, that a greater presence in the production car series might go some way to improving our local products.

Imagine and F6 (doesn't need more power) with serious Rubber and Race suspension! Based on an XT (save a few kg's) with light weight alloys, functional brake cooling ducts etc.

CHEETR · 07-07-2009, 09:43 PM

dosnt have the lag of an f6 either ...

timmo · 07-07-2009, 09:45 PM

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Ar...rticleID=55511

It was Skaife...

JOF062 · 07-07-2009, 09:54 PM

Salesmen will tell you anything

Falc'man · 07-07-2009, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ehast13

Timmo.

It was tander (not skaife) who likened it to "a v8 supercar of ten years ago". Tander is paid to spout Bull$hyte like that.

10 years ago, the v8's still put out over 600 hp and lapped bathurst in under 2:10

18 years ago, VN's pulled 2:16's at Bathurst and put out over 500hp

A walky puts out more torque but is not even a match for a 1300 ish kg VK group A race car!

The R&D cost is a joke. It now has to be ammortised over 120 ish cars instead of 400. It is overpriced. It is NOT NOT NOT 100,000 dollars better than a clubsport.

It only just beats an F6 to 100kph.

It is not a world beater in any sense of the word.

For 20 grand less you can pick up c63 AMG, GTR, M3 etc.

For 100 k less, you can get an evo or sti that woul lay waste to its 1900kg *** on everything but the most free-flowing track.

I do agree, tho, that a greater presence in the production car series might go some way to improving our local products.

Imagine and F6 (doesn't need more power) with serious Rubber and Race suspension! Based on an XT (save a few kg's) with light weight alloys, functional brake cooling ducts etc.

Well said.

And I still maintain, it looks like a toothless bogan.

Jokes aside, and so that any Holden-loving-politically-correcting-everybody-on-AFF-who-also-doesn't-love-a-Holden doesn't get upset in thinking that all we (Ford fanatics) do here is unfairly bag the crap out of the Holden Bogan Car company of Australia; I think HSV stuffed up with managing the install of the 7L along the Holden production line, thus it became overpriced, thus, not worth the money. Initial aim to sell 427... never happened >> failure. So no-one should blame the gec, or the terrorists, or global warming.

Ibrox90 · 08-07-2009, 12:44 AM

Ive driven one through my uncles jobs its unbelievable, you cant understand it till u drive it

Kaan · 08-07-2009, 01:20 AM

I wouldn't pay that much money on cars, especially holden. If I would, it would be mercedes amg, porsche, audi or bmw. shortly germans

**DJM83** · 08-07-2009, 09:48 AM

Much prefer a German over this

SB076 · 08-07-2009, 10:14 AM

I say kudos to HSV for having the guts to try it - if you dont push boundaries - how do you move forward?

smoo · 08-07-2009, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ehast13

The R&D cost is a joke. It now has to be ammortised over 120 ish cars instead of 400. It is overpriced. It is NOT NOT NOT 100,000 dollars better than a clubsport.

It only just beats an F6 to 100kph.

It is not a world beater in any sense of the word.

For 20 grand less you can pick up c63 AMG, GTR, M3 etc.

For 100 k less, you can get an evo or sti that woul lay waste to its 1900kg *** on everything but the most free-flowing track.

So what are these pointless comparisons trying to prove? That every production performance car today is a rip off cos I can pick up a Mk 4 Cortina or similar for 400 bux, spend 40 grand on it and turn it into a Porsche beater?

While we're at it, should we chuck bikes into the equation too... My $10,000 Yamaha R1 would smash every car mentioned in this thread.

Sounds as though the I6 turbo crew are just as bad as the jappa/VL T girls.

Bossxr8 · 12-07-2009, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SB076

I say kudos to HSV for having the guts to try it - if you dont push boundaries - how do you move forward?

Your not exactly moving forward when your product is a bit of a sales failure and ends up costing you money, so it makes you wary of doing another special product again. If anything its actually put them back.

FPV are more gutless in the way they do special projects but at least they don't lose money on them, they cannot afford to lose money in their current predicament. People might bag their sticker packs in the GT 40th and the Cobra but I gaurantee they were very tidy earners for FPV.

Ibrox90 · 12-07-2009, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by smoo

So what are these pointless comparisons trying to prove? That every production performance car today is a rip off cos I can pick up a Mk 4 Cortina or similar for 400 bux, spend 40 grand on it and turn it into a Porsche beater?

While we're at it, should we chuck bikes into the equation too... My $10,000 Yamaha R1 would smash every car mentioned in this thread.

Sounds as though the I6 turbo crew are just as bad as the jappa/VL T girls.

*round of applause* last line was just....... awesome

4Vman · 12-07-2009, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Your not exactly moving forward when your product is a bit of a sales failure and ends up costing you money, so it makes you wary of doing another special product again. If anything its actually put them back.

FPV are more gutless in the way they do special projects but at least they don't lose money on them, they cannot afford to lose money in their current predicament. People might bag their sticker packs in the GT 40th and the Cobra but I gaurantee they were very tidy earners for FPV.

Gutless or conservative? What you say is right however its a shame that the "failure" of this product will likely kill off anything close from either camps indefinitely...
The "sticker packs" were popular and profitable.. every owner seems happy with their purchase so its win/win for FPV, meanwhile HSV have 50 od complete sets of W427 parts sitting around looking for a home....

bangm001 · 12-07-2009, 07:05 PM

The FG MKII GTHO (if they ever do it!) will probablly be the most expensive new Aussie ford made.. Will that stop some of us for wanting or buying one.. I think not..

Whitey-AMG · 12-07-2009, 07:09 PM

I saw one today on Hoddle street.......BLACK.....low and mean.....awesome rumble on drive by. Its funny how all other cars seemed to vanish around it !!!

It was followed suit by a CLUBSPORT which paled into insignificance behind its trail.

This car has street cred in spades........who cares if the F6 is just as quick but cheaper, blah blah blah.......a 15 year old Frankensteined VL commodore with a 10 inch dump pipe is cheaper and faster than an F6.........hell it must be a better car......

I've warmed to this car over time......I just wish I had the cash......Its not the preferred badge, but I'd have one in a snap...the W427 is certainly a great car with some excellent engineering and heavy duty hardware and for me would take pride of place over an F6 any day of the week.......

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Bossxr8 · 12-07-2009, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Gutless or conservative? What you say is right however its a shame that the "failure" of this product will likely kill off anything close from either camps indefinitely...
The "sticker packs" were popular and profitable.. every owner seems happy with their purchase so its win/win for FPV, meanwhile HSV have 50 od complete sets of W427 parts sitting around looking for a home....

Conservative was the word I was looking for.