Puma Axed except for EV

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by kypez

Edit: it's more about the sulphur content in the fuel. There are limits for 91/95/98 and we're woefully lagging there.

I know that but the SCR NOX reduction obviously works with the higher Sulfur fuel


Just confirmed that Singapore sell all three grades of petrol 92, 95 & 98 so clearly all are low Sulfur
so it’s ther when AUS is ready

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by kypez

Edit: it's more about the sulphur content in the fuel. There are limits for 91/95/98 and we're woefully lagging there.

We should ban 91 all together, replace with E10 94

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

We should ban 91 all together, replace with E10 94

Was thinking making 95 E10 standard would be best for consumers too

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by kypez

Was thinking making 95 E10 standard would be best for consumers too

95Ron should have been the base fuel from the very beginnning of lead phase out.....government caved in refiners who raised fears of cost/upgrade issue etc....and here we are today, importing majority of use and no real plant upgrades with only two (iirc) remaining.

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

We should ban 91 all together, replace with E10 94

apart from my lil veedub which won't like the ethanol :(

[DFB FGXR6]

Having had another Puma today as a service loan car, I really wish Ford would put their mind to endeavors other than Ranger, because this is such a great car.

Granted, I had an ST-Line, which has one of the best steering wheel's I have ever used, but the basics of the car are so well done. The seating and steering positions have plenty of adjustment, the steering is excellent if a little too eager off center, the ride is good, the lack of road noise and refinement at speed is exceptional. The engine has good mid-range torque, although it has no top end grunt. And it's a little subdued in the noise department for my liking. The DCT does upshift on its own in manual mode, I even ended up with a double up-shift because of that. Both of those last two comments are probably not an issue for the target buyer, just my inner petrol head wanting what it wants.

[cyclone1410]

Yes it was on the top of our shopping list to replace the wife's Mazda CX-3 for all the reasons stated. The Puma is a little ripper but sadly will not be available when we go to purchase the replacement car next year.

[kevino]

I have people ask me what car is that?
( it’s a 22.25 Puma)
I reply it’s the last petrol Euro Ford.
It’s a secret - don’t tell anyone.
Ford were so scared about people finding out about Puma that they withdrew it from the Aus market.
Or ?????

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by kevino

I have people ask me what car is that?
( it’s a 22.25 Puma)
I reply it’s the last petrol Euro Ford.
It’s a secret - don’t tell anyone.
Ford were so scared about people finding out about Puma that they withdrew it from the Aus market.
Or ?????

We have a 23.25 Escape

[kevino]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

We have a 23.25 Escape

I have had the Escape twice as a loan car from my Ford dealer
Another great car!

And super value on the second hand market.

Fords decision to remove Puma and Escape from the Au market is just baffling

I saw a Focus Active SA the other day another great car that be sold here

[In Focus]

Amazing that Ford Oz can't (be bothered to) sell these, but Ford NZ can make a case for both the Puma mild-hybrid AND ST models.

https://www.ford.co.nz/suv/puma/comp...hp-return-comp

[minheim]

Originally Posted by kevino

I have had the Escape twice as a loan car from my Ford dealer

Fords decision to remove Puma and Escape from the Au market is just baffling

I saw a Focus Active SA the other day another great car that be sold here

A sad decision but not really baffling. The problem is Ford Europe which fails to supply any quantity and thus scuttles any opportunity to promote and hence kills sales.

My 2018 escape is a great car but Ford Australia has nothing in its range to replace it with. Ford Europe needs an overhaul.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by minheim

A sad decision but not really baffling. The problem is Ford Europe which fails to supply any quantity and thus scuttles any opportunity to promote and hence kills sales.

My 2018 escape is a great car but Ford Australia has nothing in its range to replace it with. Ford Europe needs an overhaul.

Overhaul or kick in the ***?

I reckon Ford Europe is going the right way for a smacked bottom.

[CyberWasp]

I think I understand the Ford situation.

Ford USA can't make anything for Export out of USA or RHD.
Ford Europe can't make anything for Export out of Europe.
Ford China can't make anything for Export out of China.
Ford Australia wanted to Export to USA and other places but not allowed so was closed.
Ford Thailand could make some of the things that Ford USA won't make for Export but not allowed.
Very weird company when you look at it.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

I think I understand the Ford situation.

Ford USA can't make anything for Export out of USA or RHD.
Ford Europe can't make anything for Export out of Europe.
Ford China can't make anything for Export out of China.
Ford Australia wanted to Export to USA and other places but not allowed so was closed.
Ford Thailand could make some of the things that Ford USA won't make for Export but not allowed.
Very weird company when you look at it.

It’s very surreal, for a manufacturer that could do many things and grow its sales,
Ford continues to shrink sales to the few that make loads of profit and kill everything else…

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by jpd80

It’s very surreal, for a manufacturer that could do many things and grow its sales,
Ford continues to shrink sales to the few that make loads of profit and kill everything else…

If it were not for the Ranger, I believe Ford would have gone down the same path as General Motors, will be interesting in the next few years as to what approach they take.
My local ford dealership now sells Cherry, what a joke.

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

I think I understand the Ford situation.

Ford USA can't make anything for Export out of USA or RHD.
Ford Europe can't make anything for Export out of Europe.
Ford China can't make anything for Export out of China.
Ford Australia wanted to Export to USA and other places but not allowed so was closed.
Ford Thailand could make some of the things that Ford USA won't make for Export but not allowed.
Very weird company when you look at it.

It's like a kingdom of warring fiefdoms.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by jpd80

It’s very surreal, for a manufacturer that could do many things and grow its sales,
Ford continues to shrink sales to the few that make loads of profit and kill everything else…

Putting all their eggs in two baskets for Australia, Ranger and Everest.

I think they just want to put in minimal effort into our market, they know we currently buy Thailand Specials en masse, they have the market leader in that segment so they don't need to deal with inventory and compliance costs involved in selling a greater range of vehicles in Australia.

[kevino]

Just had a look at Ford Uk website
You can still buy Fiesta (including a raised Active model) Focus Puma Kuga (Escape) S Max
Mach E Mustang Electric Explorer Transit and Tourneau (looks like a VW Caddy re badge)

Fiesta and Focus finish soon so there go Ford s cheaper cars - guess Euro folks will buy other brands and Chinese instead.


Ford dealers here can sell you any type of car you want as long as its Ranger Everest Mach E and Mustang and Transit oh wait cant source Mustang for another six months.


What a sad end to the era of Ford Euro s Cortina Anglia Escort Sierra Mondeo Fiesta Focus Puma apologies for models missed all great cars all gone -the Ford Euro car buyer in Aus is left with zero.

I dont want Ranger-Everest-Mustang neither does Franco.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by Itsme

If it were not for the Ranger, I believe Ford would have gone down the same path as General Motors, will be interesting in the next few years as to what approach they take.
My local ford dealership now sells Cherry, what a joke.

surely you have noticed over the recent years more and more are multi dealer franchise's - its no joke its the market and economy.
Lets not forget both the main OE's here lived off their dominate seller no diff to the dual cab now, other offerings generally were just making up some small numbers.
For all the Ford failures and there is many as with most OE's they are still standing be it majority dual cabs/SUV offshoot sales GM/Holden is nothing/finito/kaput the sham of a company its been for decades.
Here's another for you - do you recall which US OE's put their hands outs to the White House arriving in private jets whilst the joke didn't ?
Just saying

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

I think I understand the Ford situation.

Ford USA can't make anything for Export out of USA or RHD.
Ford Europe can't make anything for Export out of Europe.
Ford China can't make anything for Export out of China.
Ford Australia wanted to Export to USA and other places but not allowed so was closed.
Ford Thailand could make some of the things that Ford USA won't make for Export but not allowed.
Very weird company when you look at it.

I've observed the above kind of scenarios for decades not just recent times, they are so nth america entrenched and typical of the many US companies I deal with.
Even in the Aftermarket they are hopeless at Export, some brands could have so much market share with some minor dedicated support but they can't get their heads around it but for some exceptions where we and other companies I know kick goals.
They have spread their wings alot more of recent times ie OE's/Aftermarket is below them due to easier geography, Latin America/ more so Mexico.
Many many US companies have set up offices/distribution and many new Factories invested/built.
The rest of the globe no matter.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by FTE217

I've observed the above kind of scenarios for decades not just recent times, they are so nth america entrenched and typical of the many US companies I deal with.
Even in the Aftermarket they are hopeless at Export, some brands could have so much market share with some minor dedicated support but they can't get their heads around it but for some exceptions where we and other companies I know kick goals.
They have spread their wings alot more of recent times ie OE's/Aftermarket is below them due to easier geography, Latin America/ more so Mexico.
Many many US companies have set up offices/distribution and many new Factories invested/built.
The rest of the globe no matter.

I hate American corporate culture, for their capitalism fetish they're horrible capitalists because they can't be ****ed selling to people outside their east or west coasts.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I hate American corporate culture, for their capitalism fetish they're horrible capitalists because they can't be ****ed selling to people outside their east or west coasts.

With over 300 million people living in the lower 48 states they don't need to.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

With over 300 million people living in the lower 48 states they don't need to.

That's exactly why China has the world markets tied up, who says no to more money? Americans that's who.

Chinese companies are fantastic to deal with, and that's why they get the sales.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

That's exactly why China has the world markets tied up, who says no to more money? Americans that's who.

Chinese companies are fantastic to deal with, and that's why they get the sales.

They might be but also get the sales because they are cheaper in most instances, undercutting other import markets, stealing copyrights, IP and patents, are most subsidized by their own government and have a lousy track record towards their own people.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by kevino

Just had a look at Ford Uk website
You can still buy Fiesta (including a raised Active model) Focus Puma Kuga (Escape) S Max
Mach E Mustang Electric Explorer Transit and Tourneau (looks like a VW Caddy re badge)

Fiesta and Focus finish soon so there go Ford s cheaper cars - guess Euro folks will buy other brands and Chinese instead.


Ford dealers here can sell you any type of car you want as long as its Ranger Everest Mach E and Mustang and Transit oh wait cant source Mustang for another six months.


What a sad end to the era of Ford Euro s Cortina Anglia Escort Sierra Mondeo Fiesta Focus Puma apologies for models missed all great cars all gone -the Ford Euro car buyer in Aus is left with zero.

I dont want Ranger-Everest-Mustang neither does Franco.

Same as i posted a little while ago except i looked at FoA/Ford US.

As for Euro Fords, spent a bit of time owning an LV XR5T and Mk3 focus ST, and sat in driven various other Euro Fords in that time
Light years ahead of anything AU built. Euro Fords just had that, i dunno 'feel'. Not to mention how well they drove, we've lost a lot since Ford have killed most/all of em off.
Sure the Ranger/everest/mustang are suitable for many, but none of em do anything for me really.
No new Fords for me, but im sure they'll 25 rangers for my non sale

[kevino]

That’s the point
They get 25 rangereverest sales
But dip out on 3 euro sales to you me Franco
25 and three makes 28

I don’t understand Ford Au at all

[kevino]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

They might be but also get the sales because they are cheaper in most instances, undercutting other import markets, stealing copyrights, IP and patents, are most subsidized by their own government and have a lousy track record towards their own people.

And you can’t get parts according to our resident panel beater prctl joker

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by kevino

That’s the point
They get 25 rangereverest sales
But dip out on 3 euro sales to you me Franco
25 and three makes 28

I don’t understand Ford Au at all

Yeah i agree.
But add a 2024 XR6 Turbo in the mix, that counts me out for a Euro a little. Both pipe dreams now sadly. They've lost me.

[Sprintey]

There's the Dodge Charger turbo inline 6 as well, but that won't come here so more non-sale