speeding fines

[Jim Goose]

Seeing as you assume I have only lived in one place I gave my home town as an example.

I have been to nearly every single major and minor town in this state.

I havent seen many schools in backstreets in the middle of suburbia.
excuse me for not going through every town I have visited to give examples.

Yes us poor country hicks here wont know what traffic jams are...
(omg we too have bumper to bumper at peak hour here)
I have lived in Brisbane thanks.

But having the attitude you have about minimising risks around kids i doubt any reasonable debate would continue...

[cobramania]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

And your assuming the car has ABS... what if the vehicle was a bus? Do you expect it to swerve around a child at 60kmh ?

Seen many buses driving at 60kph past schools in school zone times, what do they just open the doors & throw the kids out? If it was outside the school zone the kids wouldn't be protected anyway, & I don't see many buses breaking general speed limits, so what's your point?

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by cobramania

Seen many buses driving at 60kph past schools in school zone times, what do they just open the doors & throw the kids out? If it was outside the school zone the kids wouldn't be protected anyway, & I don't see many buses breaking general speed limits, so what's your point?

My point? sorry you missed it... not going to explain it as it seems to difficult to undertsand.

[cobramania]

Slow speeds around kids don't save them, having to be told to go slow around them, means most people don't have any concern for their safety anyway, & be totally honest, how many of you here have actually broken the speed limit (even by 1kph) at any time, with kids actually in the car, how many others have you seen do it? If you say you haven't you're either such an angel, or you're lying, most likely the latter.

[AMGC63]

Originally Posted by prydey

actually, on top of that, we shouldn't really need signs to make us drive more carefully around these areas. the fact that we do, and that people still don't adhere to them is sad in itself.

personally, i don't just drive slow around kids. any area that is congested with people and cars parked on the road ie, around shops etc. the street where i work in adelaide is an industrial area so its just a wide street with no line markings. it also has a very popular food shop on it called cafe de villis. it is very popular and cars park both sides of the road leaving just enough room for 2 cars. common sense says that you should take it easy through there with people hopping in and out of cars and what not, but the amount of cars that still scream by at 60..... a workmate got knocked of his motorbike there due to someone pulling out without looking.

Agree completely, its unfathomable anyone who holds a license could not understand this. Sadly from some of the replies here some dont get it at all.

No wonder people get killed.

[graham7773]

cobramania you should try parking just outside the 40kph high school speed limit sign near the Rooty Hill RSL in Sydney. School buses roll through there at 70 to 80 kph on occasion. My second eldest daughter can verify this as well. She got hit by one in the 40kph section. It was travelling at approx 70kph. Some of the bus drivers don't give a st#ff. That clown didn't attempt to avoid the hit and was driving an empty bus at the time. I decided to check this and sat at the 40 sign for a few days during school times, (retired). Not a single bus entered the 40 zone at 40kph. before you ask how I knew they were over 40kph, I have been driving for 50 years and do have some idea. Apart from that, I followed a few just to get a better idea. They were doing 70+ before the zone and made no attempt to slow down as they entered it. I will add that the zone outside the 40 zone was and is a 50kph area

[AMGC63]

Originally Posted by graham7773

cobramania you should try parking just outside the 40kph high school speed limit sign near the Rooty Hill RSL in Sydney. School buses roll through there at 70 to 80 kph on occasion. My second eldest daughter can verify this as well. She got hit by one in the 40kph section. It was travelling at approx 70kph. Some of the bus drivers don't give a st#ff. That clown didn't attempt to avoid the hit and was driving an empty bus at the time. I decided to check this and sat at the 40 sign for a few days (retired). Not a single bus entered the 40 zone at 40kph. before you ask how I knew they were over 40kph, I have been driving for 50 years and do have some idea.

Cobra thinks its perfectly safe to hammer though at any speed, its upto the kids to get out of the way.., if one gets hit well it was there fault, you'll do no more damage at 60kph as 40kph so why slow down??

Apparently you can swerve and stop just as good at any speed, because speed has no impact on stopping distances or car control or the kids ability to judge distance and react at all.....

[cobramania]

Originally Posted by graham7773

cobramania you should try parking just outside the 40kph high school speed limit sign near the Rooty Hill RSL in Sydney. School buses roll through there at 70 to 80 kph on occasion. My second eldest daughter can verify this as well. She got hit by one in the 40kph section. It was travelling at approx 70kph. Some of the bus drivers don't give a st#ff. That clown didn't attempt to avoid the hit and was driving an empty bus at the time. I decided to check this and sat at the 40 sign for a few days during school times, (retired). Not a single bus entered the 40 zone at 40kph. before you ask how I knew they were over 40kph, I have been driving for 50 years and do have some idea.

Not trying to be smart, but how did it happen? Was she not paying attention, did she think the bus would be driving at 40, did she just misjudge the speed of the bus? If the bus was going 40 would it have still hit her? It sounds as though she was old enough to know road safety, why didn't she apply it? What I'm getting at is, if the school zone was being adhered to, would the outcome have been the same, (do school zones actually work, in the real world)?

To all the others, I have 3 kids under ten, I get it. I just want to know why are kids more precious (as some have put it), now than they were 15+ years ago, I survived higher speed limits on roads, obviously so did all of you. I used to walk to school, & at High school, I walked across 2 suburbs between home & school, I didn't need 40kph protection at the school gate, neither did anyone else, why do they now, what's happened?
Show me figure to prove school zones actually work & are actually saving lives.

Kids are kids, sometimes they don't think, but neither do adults, you can't legislate against everything, you can't legislate about stupidity or not thinking, after all roads are dangerous places & for driving on. Also probably all here drive cars that go faster than the legal speed limits, you have to decide a safe speed to travel at, remember speed limits are limits not the speed you have to drive at if conditions aren't suitable, I bet some here would be the first to complain if cars were electronically speed limited to speed limit zones, because some people can't think for themselves & drive safely.

[cobramania]

Originally Posted by AMGC63

Cobra thinks its perfectly safe to hammer though at any speed, its upto the kids to get out of the way.., if one gets hit well it was there fault, you'll do no more damage at 60kph as 40kph so why slow down??

Apparently you can swerve and stop just as good at any speed, because speed has no impact on stopping distances or car control or the kids ability to judge distance and react at all.....

I don't think that at all, speeds are a part of the equation, but not the majority, many other factors come into a greater play, driver experience, brakes, tyres, road surface, general car condition & capabilities, etc. If you're going to generalize, then maybe we shouldn't drive anywhere faster than 50kph as it's not safe to do so. If you have a look around you'll find from Government publications, that in the past 10 years stopping distances from the same speed in a falcon for example, have increased from about 34m out to around 71m doing 100kph, why, how?

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by prydey

actually, on top of that, we shouldn't really need signs to make us drive more carefully around these areas. the fact that we do, and that people still don't adhere to them is sad in itself.

Actually the signs arent so you are told what to do in the sense youre referring too, but they are there so no-one can claim they were unaware of the rules in that area. Its to eliminate any such defence of stupidity that might actually stand up in a court if challenged. There is an imperative that traffic be common to all places as in 50km/h unless otherwise signed, or declared by signage such as school zone limits or parking areas etc.

Originally Posted by cobramania

Seen many buses driving at 60kph past schools in school zone times, what do they just open the doors & throw the kids out? If it was outside the school zone the kids wouldn't be protected anyway, & I don't see many buses breaking general speed limits, so what's your point?

I'd like to know what your point is. There are bank robbers and a few dishonest cops too, that doesnt justify doing nothing about it, both in the cited examples and the average Joe doing it. Just because it doesnt stop everything doesnt mean its not necessary for authorities to make the effort.

You really need something to sink in, KIDS DO DUMB ****. Theres no-one denying that, in fact many have clearly stated thats the case, and they understand that is why special consideration is required for them. The injury or death is a harsh penalty for dumb ****, but slowing to 40km/h for 100 or so metres is nothing but a mere inconvenience and really only bothers people who have issues beyond the scope of a forum to deal with. There are medical professionals who specialise in that type of mental issue. Either that or they themselves are barely out nappies and as yet havent grasped the concept, ie still suffering from the doing dumb **** infliction mentioned about teenagers and small kiddies earlier. Its now just different dumb ****.

Regardless of how many factors come into play, speed is one of them. Its the one that is more easily controlled, not in the sense half arsed doing something but in the realm of whats humanly possible by authorities.

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by cobramania

If you have a look around you'll find from Government publications, that in the past 10 years stopping distances from the same speed in a falcon for example, have increased from about 34m out to around 71m doing 100kph, why, how?

Really?, in the same conditions a 10 year old falcon stops in 34m and a new one in 71m? It would be very intesting for you to quote the government publications you are talking about? since when did they start testing cars for stoppping power?

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by sudszy

Really?, in the same conditions a 10 year old falcon stops in 34m and a new one in 71m? It would be very intesting for you to quote the government publications you are talking about? since when did they start testing cars for stoppping power?

This thread has nothing to do with a falcons stopping power lets get back on topic thanks, first and last warning people

[cobramania]

Originally Posted by fmc351

You really need something to sink in, KIDS DO DUMB ****. Theres no-one denying that, in fact many have clearly stated thats the case, and they understand that is why special consideration is required for them. The injury or death is a harsh penalty for dumb ****, but slowing to 40km/h for 100 or so meters is nothing but a mere inconvenience and really only bothers people who have issues beyond the scope of a forum to deal with. There are medical professionals who specialise in that type of mental issue. Either that or they themselves are barely out nappies and as yet haven't grasped the concept, ie still suffering from the doing dumb **** infliction mentioned about teenagers and small kiddies earlier. Its now just different dumb ****.

Regardless of how many factors come into play, speed is one of them. Its the one that is more easily controlled, not in the sense half arsed doing something but in the realm of whats humanly possible by authorities.

To start, I've never said or implied I speed through school zones, that's just all imagined by some here. I never gave any excuses for the OP to get off, my first post was saying, it was his responsibility to know the school zones times & limits & drive accordingly. I said I don't agree with them & gave reasons why they don't work. I've been court speeding twice & copped it on the chin both times, once at 18 & once at 19, I'm now 39. I've done defensive driving, advanced driving & high performance driving courses, I'm a member of the Australian Racing Drivers Club & qualified race driver, I do have some idea about driving, speed & safety & don't use the roads as a racetrack.

Yes kids do dumb things, so do adults, how many adults have you seen step out into traffic without looking whilst talking on their mobile phone or listening to their ipod?
Going on some of the reasoning here, we should have 40kph drunk zones outside of pubs & clubs just in case an adult comes out & does a dumb thing & walks on the road, why shouldn't adults have the same protection as children? Maybe we should just drive around everywhere at 40kph, (other than main roads & highways), as 40 seems to be the safe limit? Driving everywhere at 40kph is a real possibility & was officially looked at by councils earlier this year. Would everyone here be happy with that, & if it's the safe & right thing to do, why wait for it to be mandated, drive everywhere now at 40kph voluntarily.
Studies have also shown (go look for them) that talking to, & teaching kids about road safety & dangers, & how to safely cross the road have improved their personal safety significantly over not, & having slower speeds near schools.
Kidsafe NSW also says that children under 10 shouldn't cross the road or be near the road without holding an adults hand, in that case shouldn't all those younger kids being dropped off & picked up at school be under the control & guidance of a responsible adult, which reduces the risk significantly & somewhat negates the need/effectiveness of the school zones?
Also I think you'll find that the adults doing dumb things picking up or dropping off kids, are the ones more likely to be hit in a school zone. You'll also find that more kids are injured outside school zones, & in driveways at home than they are in school zones, what is to be done to fix that considering speed on the driveway is negligible? Should we have to drive at 40kph everywhere?

sudszy, I've been warned it's off topic, but Google car stopping distances, you'll find the publications, real world testing & reasons why they claim the distances they do.

[geckoGT]

This whole thread has wandered off topic. The OP was asking about his options for dealing with a fine, not the validity of school zones or stopping distances of cars.

Lets get it back on topic and I would also suggest a few people step back from the key board for a while.

I see a lock being deployed very shortly.

[pottery beige]

meh always chill and cover my brake.. near any school zone.. anytime.. or in any street when little kiddies around... most random un predictable little critters there is....

[graham7773]

Don't speed = no fine.
Get fined = suck it up and stop whinging.
You got caught doing the wrong thing.

[EDManual]

I always was told when little that roads are dangerous, look hard for cars, they are fast, can run you over etc.

Now its not the kid who has to watch out, they have the right of way. (well they dont when it comes to who wins in a crash)

Quite a few times (I know you will all go crook at me, but I dont care what you think...) but I try to drive in a "scary manner" to people who walk in front of me to teach them a lesson. Good to give them a scare i think, then next time they wont do the same thing to someone who wont miss them.
<Mostly however its middle aged people with Ipods that step infront of traffic.

I hate people who keep walking on red men in melbourne! Get out of the way, my turn to use the road, not yours! Revv beep. :-0

[flappist]

Originally Posted by geckoGT

This whole thread has wandered off topic. The OP was asking about his options for dealing with a fine, not the validity of school zones or stopping distances of cars.

Lets get it back on topic and I would also suggest a few people step back from the key board for a while.

I see a lock being deployed very shortly.

About now actually.

The topic has been covered and is now just wandering in circles.