VFACTS April 2010

[Paxton]

Originally Posted by TUF_302

The best thing i can get out of all that, is that Ford sell the most locally produced cars, therefore making them the most Australian!

It also goes to prove that Ford is still the Falcon motor company. Without Falcon, Ford would be below Nissan.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Paxton

It also goes to prove that Ford is still the Falcon motor company. Without Falcon, Ford would be below Nissan.

I get the awful feeling that both Mazda and Hyundai will go past Ford's Australian sales
in the next couple of years and Marin will still be singing Falcon's praises as viable with most sales
heading towards or above $50,000. I agree, without Falcon, Ford would be stuffed in this country,
people try to sing the praises of Focus and Mondeo but they are getting pummelled in sales.

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by Paxton

It also goes to prove that Ford is still the Falcon motor company. Without Falcon, Ford would be below Nissan.

Originally Posted by jpd80

I get the awful feeling that both Mazda and Hyundai will go past Ford's Australian sales
in the next couple of years and Marin will still be singing Falcon's praises as viable with most sales
heading towards or above $50,000. I agree, without Falcon, Ford would be stuffed in this country,
people try to sing the praises of Focus and Mondeo but they are getting pummelled in sales.

It is concerning, yes. A third vehicle line certainly would be beneficial. Not a C car; there is too much competition in that segment to generate any substantial return on investment (hence the Focus decision). Thing is, what else could Broady make that will return decent profits but utilise the existing tech and platforms?

[Polyal]

Those figures for the hilux are truly amazing, see if anyone predicted that a few years ago! There must be a fair share of families getting one (dual cab) so you can punt around with kids in the back and move stuff.

Drove past two T6's this week, and they look markedly bigger than the 'lux.

[vztrt]

http://www.caradvice.com.au/66694/ma...0-sales-up-34/

Mazda scores Aussie sales record in April, BT-50 sales up 34%

May 6, 2010 by Matt Brogan

Mazda has set a new April sales record in Australia with its BT-50 light commercial range up 34 per cent on 2009 levels.

The result sees Mazda’s achieve its best ever April result, tallying 6805 new vehicle sales. The Japanese manufacturer has sold 27,919 vehicles in Australia so far this year, an increase of 15.6 per cent on the same time last year.

Leading the charge for the brand’s passenger vehicles, Mazda3 models have finished April as Australia’s best selling small car (YTD). Mazda3 models found 3079 new homes in April, the tally some 23 per cent better than the April 2009 result.

Mazda6 models are also selling well, the mid-size family car up 21.5 per cent on the same time last year. The result sees Mazda6 models retain their title as Australia’s best-selling medium import.

The Mazda2 also enjoyed a good month in April, the run-out model selling 1115 units, a 31.2 per cent increase on last April’s figure.

Mazda SUV sales, including Mazda CX-7 and Mazda CX-9, were also steady in their year-to-date figures, up 115 per cent.

Mazda sold 720 CX-7s in April, up 208 per cent year-to-date. The result sees CX-7 become Australia’s third best-selling vehicle in the compact SUV segment.

The Mazda CX-9 sold 321 examples, up almost 40 per cent year-to-date.

“We could not be any happier with our April result,” said Mazda Australia managing director, Doug Dickson.

“We are proud to be able to boast strong sales across all segments in testimony to Mazda’s on-going popularity with Australian new car buyers.

“When you look at the Mazda range every nameplate offers stylish design, an impressive list of features and great value for money.

“In doing so, we’re obviously meeting the expectations of buyers and we hope to see this continue.”

[vztrt]

http://www.caradvice.com.au/66635/ne...es-april-2010/

April 2010 Australian Car Industry Figures
1 Toyota 16697
2 Holden 9964
3 Ford 8192
4 Mazda 6805
5 Hyundai 6725
6 Mitsubishi 4805
7 Nissan 4660
8 Subaru 3216
9 Honda 3063
10 Volkswagen 2846
11 Kia 1938
12 Suzuki 1926
13 Mercedes-Benz 1813
14 BMW 1317
15 Audi 1064
16 Jeep 492
17 Peugeot 483
18 Lexus 449
19 Great Wall 428
20 Volvo Car 421
21 Isuzu Ute 381
22 Land Rover 365
23 MINI 245
24 Renault 203
25 Dodge 151
26 Proton 151
27 Fiat 96
28 Jaguar 92
29 Citroen 91
30 Chrysler 71
31 Ssangyong 67
32 Skoda 65
33 Alfa Romeo 61
34 Smart 59
35 Porsche 53
36 Maserati 11
37 Aston Martin 8
38 Bentley 6
39 Ferrari 5
40 Lotus 5
41 Hummer 3
42 Lamborghini 2
43 Rolls-Royce 1
44 Morgan 0
45 Saab 0

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I get the awful feeling that both Mazda and Hyundai will go past Ford's Australian sales
in the next couple of years and Marin will still be singing Falcon's praises as viable with most sales
heading towards or above $50,000. I agree, without Falcon, Ford would be stuffed in this country,
people try to sing the praises of Focus and Mondeo but they are getting pummelled in sales.

Even more reason why Ford would be crazy to stop making locally built cars!!

[naddis01]

Interesting figures there. Check out Great Wall Motors. In the top 20.

[buickman]

Can you still buy a new SAAB ! Zero sales

[Carby]

Originally Posted by uranium_death

I think the new Fiesta has really lifted light car sales...see a few of them on the road...
Good result for Ford, because Hyundai and Mazda were damn close last month...possibly ahead.

It's interesting to note that if you add the 1900 odd sales of Kia to that of Hyundai (Kia being owned by Hyundai) then they would be number three in sales overall!

[Wretched]

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Ford 2010 2009
Ford Escape 98 286
Ford F250 4X2 0 1
Ford Fairlane 0 2
Ford Falcon 2,763 2,228
Ford Falcon Ute 794 795
Ford Fiesta 857 654
Ford Focus 1,025 556
Ford Focus CC 0 16
Ford Mondeo 296 377
Ford Ranger 4X2 460 565
Ford Ranger 4X4 634 555
Ford Territory 1,085 635
Ford Transit 129 129
Ford Transit Bus 2 6
Ford Transit C/C 49 31
Ford Total 8,192 6,836

Change 19.8%

Holden 2010 2009
Holden Adventra 0 0
Holden Astra 0 820
Holden Astra Convertible0 30
Holden Barina 914 792
Holden Caprice 125 88
Holden Captiva 1,095 592
Holden Colorado 4X2 178 297
Holden Colorado 4X4 874 767
Holden Combo 44 67
Holden Commodore 3,165 3,177
Holden Cruze 2,514 0
Holden Epica 206 161
Holden Monaro 0 0
Holden Rodeo 4X2 0 0
Holden Rodeo 4X4 0 1
Holden Statesman 37 37
Holden Utility 4X2 812 836
Holden Utility 4X4 0 0
Holden Viva 0 164
Holden Total 9,964 7,829

Change 27%

Hyundai 2010 2009
Hyundai Accent 0 12
Hyundai Elantra 147 129
Hyundai Getz 2,192 1,307
Hyundai Grandeur 2 2
Hyundai i30 2,483 1,491
Hyundai iLOAD 447 147
Hyundai iMAX 277 59
Hyundai ix35 580 0
Hyundai Santa Fe 521 223
Hyundai Sonata 49 93
Hyundai Tiburon 1 4
Hyundai Tucson 26 669
Hyundai Total 6,725 4,136

Change 62.6%

Toyota 2,010 2,009
Toyota Aurion 1,024 895
Toyota Avensis 39 56
Toyota Camry (4 cyl) 1,434 1,092
Toyota Camry Hybrid 396 0
Toyota Coaster 32 17
Toyota Corolla 2,829 2,385
Toyota Hiace Bus 170 158
Toyota Hiace Van 614 518
Toyota Hilux 4X2 1,271 1,102
Toyota Hilux 4X4 2,148 1,530
Toyota Kluger 898 901
Toyota L/Cruiser PU/CC 542 377
Toyota L/Cruiser Wagon 644 570
Toyota Prado 1,488 777
Toyota Prius 179 235
Toyota RAV4 1,020 885
Toyota Tarago 170 140
Toyota Yaris 1,799 1,395
Toyota Total 16,697 13,033

Change 28.1 %
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[bobthebilda]

Originally Posted by Carby

It's interesting to note that if you add the 1900 odd sales of Kia to that of Hyundai (Kia being owned by Hyundai) then they would be number three in sales overall!

I think a few of them change if you work it that way
1) Toyota 16697 + Lexus 449 + subaru 3216 = 20362
2) Holden 9964 + Saab (0) = 9964
3) Hyundai 6725 + Kia = 1938 = 8663
4) Ford = 8192
5) Mazda 6805
6) Nissan 4660 + Renault 203 =4863
7) Mitsubishi 4805
8) Volkswagon 2846 + Porsche 53 + Bentley 6 + Skoda 65 + Audi 1064 = 4034
9) Honda =3063

I think you will find that there is some guy in downtown tokyo that actually owns all the worlds car companies. The industry is so incestuous, you'd have a far better chance of working out the family lineage of someone from salisbury than you would the worlds car industry.

[Falc'man]

Ford owns 33% of Mazda; that puts them in 2nd, ahead of GM holden.

[bobthebilda]

Originally Posted by Falc'man

Ford owns 33% of Mazda; that puts them in 2nd, ahead of GM holden.

I know Ford used to own 33% of Mazda, but I am pretty sure that Mazda purchased back 20% of itself in 2008. Thus Ford now own 13% of Mazda. Gives them another 768 Sales, still stuck in third place.

http://blogs.consumerreports.org/car...owns-what.html

[dannyhilton]

Originally Posted by Falc'man

Ford owns 33% of Mazda; that puts them in 2nd, ahead of GM holden.

Nope. In late 2008 Ford announced they would sell their controlling stake in Mazda. IIRC Ford sold 20% for like $600 million.

EDIT: Bob beat me to it!

[XR Martin]

I still think if you are going to combine the sales of the Hilux models to get its total figure (thus the best seller) then the Falcon sedan and Ute and Commodore sedan and ute should be combined.
But if you did that Hilux would be third, and we cant have that, the media really loves everything and anything about Toyota....they cant do any wrong.

[bobthebilda]

But really what is a car. Commodore figures include the sedan and wagon (both made on short wheel base). But pre VE wagon, the wagon was made on the long wheel base, the same as the statesman. However, to allow Holden to claim best sellign car, they didnt add the wagon to the statesman sales, they added it to the commodore sales. The territory, has more in common to a falcon, than a VZ wagon had to a VZ sedan, Yet one figure was combined, and the other seperated.

[Joe5619]

I'm surprised the Toyota Camry Hybrid is selling so poorly.. I thought it was going to fly out the door with government & fleets wanting to look green..

[stevz]

Originally Posted by bobthebilda

But really what is a car. Commodore figures include the sedan and wagon (both made on short wheel base). But pre VE wagon, the wagon was made on the long wheel base, the same as the statesman. However, to allow Holden to claim best sellign car, they didnt add the wagon to the statesman sales, they added it to the commodore sales. The territory, has more in common to a falcon, than a VZ wagon had to a VZ sedan, Yet one figure was combined, and the other seperated.

That would have to be the biggest load of rubbish I've ever read.

Originally Posted by Joe5619

I'm surprised the Toyota Camry Hybrid is selling so poorly.. I thought it was going to fly out the door with government & fleets wanting to look green..

Yes, however most fleets these days require a minimum 5 star safety rating while the Camry can only achieve a mediocre 4 star result.

[bobthebilda]

Originally Posted by stevz

That would have to be the biggest load of rubbish I've ever read.
.

Care to extrapolate steve

[uranium_death]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

I'm surprised the Toyota Camry Hybrid is selling so poorly.. I thought it was going to fly out the door with government & fleets wanting to look green..

A fridge with a different motor? :P
Buy really, Camry's interiors have improved a bit.
Their exterior is still a little plain and conservative though.

I thought Kelvin Dudd would have creamed his panties over the Hybrid Camry.
The symbolism involved in driving one I thought would have appealed to him especially!

[stevz]

Originally Posted by bobthebilda

Care to extrapolate steve

Since when did wagon sales belong in the Luxury LWB class?
If that were the case then why weren't Falcon wagon sales counted in the Fairlane numbers?
Oooh, it's a conspiracy by Holden to boost Commodore numbers.

Territory has more in common with a Falcon than a VZ wagon does to a VZ sedan? I'd love to know how you came to that conclusion.

[burnz]

Originally Posted by bobthebilda

I think a few of them change if you work it that way
1) Toyota 16697 + Lexus 449 + subaru 3216 = 20362
2) Holden 9964 + Saab (0) = 9964
3) Hyundai 6725 + Kia = 1938 = 8663
4) Ford = 8192
5) Mazda 6805
6) Nissan 4660 + Renault 203 =4863
7) Mitsubishi 4805
8) Volkswagon 2846 + Porsche 53 + Bentley 6 + Skoda 65 + Audi 1064 = 4034
9) Honda =3063

I think you will find that there is some guy in downtown tokyo that actually owns all the worlds car companies. The industry is so incestuous, you'd have a far better chance of working out the family lineage of someone from salisbury than you would the worlds car industry.

shouldent daewoo be added to gm and didn't ford have % intrest in kia

[FPV GTHO]

Originally Posted by bobthebilda

The territory, has more in common to a falcon, than a VZ wagon had to a VZ sedan, Yet one figure was combined, and the other seperated.

Er no. Pre VE wagon and sedan were identical forward of the B pillar. Territory and Falcon only share bodypanels in the engine bay.

[bobthebilda]

Originally Posted by stevz

Since when did wagon sales belong in the Luxury LWB class?
If that were the case then why weren't Falcon wagon sales counted in the Fairlane numbers?
Oooh, it's a conspiracy by Holden to boost Commodore numbers.

Territory has more in common with a Falcon than a VZ wagon does to a VZ sedan? I'd love to know how you came to that conclusion.

I think you missed my point to some degree steve. I was trying to highlight that a VZ wagon had a different chassis and platform than a VZ sedan, and yet when counted in sales figures, they were counted as the same car.

A Territory has a different body to a falcon, but share a common platform.

What makes two cars that dont have the same platform or the same chassis, the same car for sales figures. But two cars that dont share a chassis, but same platform, different cars for sales figures.

FPV - VZ wagon was built on the Long wheel base (statesman) platform

[naddis01]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

I'm surprised the Toyota Camry Hybrid is selling so poorly.. I thought it was going to fly out the door with government & fleets wanting to look green..

Am I correct in saying that the Camry hybrid sold 396 units this month? If so that is basically what the entire Mondeo range sells per month. Not a bad effort I would have thought. That would be approx 20-25% or 1 in 4-5 of the Camry monthly sales. Again not a bad effort I would have thought.

[bobthebilda]

Originally Posted by burnz

shouldent daewoo be added to gm and didn't ford have % intrest in kia

Daewoo were added into Holdens figures. As far as i Know, every daewoo that comes into australia, has a Holden badge stuck to it.

Altho i didnt see diahatsu in the figures, and from my understanding, Toyota owns them also.

[FPV GTHO]

Originally Posted by bobthebilda

FPV - VZ wagon was built on the Long wheel base (statesman) platform

So? Front half of the car is still identical. The changes are in the wheelbase and rear overhang, expressed with different REAR doors and a different REAR floor.

Falcon and Territory arent even on the same platform, let alone a derivative like the classic SWB/LWB Fords/Holdens.

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by naddis01

Am I correct in saying that the Camry hybrid sold 396 units this month? If so that is basically what the entire Mondeo range sells per month. Not a bad effort I would have thought. That would be approx 20-25% or 1 in 4-5 of the Camry monthly sales. Again not a bad effort I would have thought.

When put like that is sounds ok, but Toyota wanted to sell 10,000 of them a year, which is 833 per month.. So 396 is well short of Toyota's own goal..

[bobthebilda]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

When put like that is sounds ok, but Toyota wanted to sell 10,000 of them a year, which is 833 per month.. So 396 is well short of Toyota's own goal..

But fortunately, in a world hell bent on carbon offsets, Toyota were able to offset these 396 camry Hybrid sales, with 3700 gas guzzling land cruiser, Prado and Kluger sales.