Talk me out of buying a Commodore. - Page 4

irlewy86 · 16-08-2007, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RAVEN81

Ive got a VT 2 LS1 and have spent a little over 5k and can pull 12.5 qtrs allday full stret trim exept for rubber, where ya AU's and BA's doing that????I'm a ford man but bang for ya buck ya cant beat a VT/VX

Is it an Auto?

RavenLS1 · 16-08-2007, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by irlewy86

Is it an Auto?

yes....

red_hotxr6 · 16-08-2007, 02:13 PM

Hey raven81, you can not be wrong and strong to, to base why you want to buy a car because it can do 12.5 secs is laughable,,grow up, and 2 i have sold my xr6, very hard to do even though i am a girl loved that car to death, i now have a toyota tarago gli, which i cart my kids around and use for my cleaning buissness. It makes me wonder how many people like you base your decisions on how fast a car can go, and wind up being another statistic.

irlewy86 · 16-08-2007, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RAVEN81

yes....

Do both its tail lights work

RavenLS1 · 16-08-2007, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by red_hotxr6

Hey raven81, you can not be wrong and strong to, to base why you want to buy a car because it can do 12.5 secs is laughable,,grow up, and 2 i have sold my xr6, very hard to do even though i am a girl loved that car to death, i now have a toyota tarago gli, which i cart my kids around and use for my cleaning buissness. It makes me wonder how many people like you base your decisions on how fast a car can go, and wind up being another statistic.

why do think because ive been to a track and run a quick timeslip that when i drive on the street im a hoon!!!!! please explain!!!!!saying im going to be a statistic that aint laughable as you say, thats just plain arrogant and offensive!!!!

irlewy86 · 16-08-2007, 02:47 PM

RAVEN81, I need photos of this unicorn, I must forward them to Holden so they know that at least one VT was built right.

red_hotxr6 · 16-08-2007, 03:02 PM

Hey, you said it not me, you hung your self on your own words.What i did try to get through to you was, why would you base your sole decision on buying a car because it could do 12.5 secs on the 1/4. They are so MANY more things to base your decision on. How many people here would actually do that it doesnt make sense.The only way you would do something like that is if you were using the car just for dragging.

RavenLS1 · 16-08-2007, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by red_hotxr6

Hey, you said it not me, you hung your self on your own words.What i did try to get through to you was, why would you base your sole decision on buying a car because it could do 12.5 secs on the 1/4. They are so MANY more things to base your decision on. How many people here would actually do that it doesnt make sense.The only way you would do something like that is if you were using the car just for dragging.

its my choice what i base my decision on buying a car is, im not the thread starter!!!!the guy wants to buy an SS, i put it to him that for a little over 5k your car can do 12.5 qtr's and BA's and AU's cant!!!

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What i did try to get through to you was, why would you base your sole decision on buying a car because it could do 12.5 secs on the 1/4

this thread isnt about me!!!!my car could not do that when i bought it, ive spent money modding my car, funnily enough i took it to the drag strip, i am impressed with the performance.are trying to say that because my car is fast it cant be driven antwhere but at a race track????do you think its only flat out or nothing at all?so all the members on this website that have cars doins 11's and 12's arnt daily drivers.im sorry but you dont even know what your talking about.

red_hotxr6 · 16-08-2007, 03:47 PM

But off course i dont know what i am talking about, i am only a female, now lets see where can i trade my toyota in and get a car that does 12.5 secs on the drag strip or between lights...hmmm

LeadFoot81 · 16-08-2007, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RAVEN81

Ive got a VT 2 LS1 and have spent a little over 5k and can pull 12.5 qtrs allday full stret trim exept for rubber, where ya AU's and BA's doing that????I'm a ford man but bang for ya buck ya cant beat a VT/VX

Is that what he wants tho? A quarter mile beast or a nice tourer? I couldnt give a rats about quarter mile times (fair enuf if you do) but theres more to life than the 10-14 seconds it takes to cover the quarter.

If you want to a quick car at the drags get an auto xr6t!

If you want a solid and swift tourer go the XR8! nuff said.

tapeworm · 16-08-2007, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RAVEN81

Ive got a VT 2 LS1 and have spent a little over 5k and can pull 12.5 qtrs allday full stret trim exept for rubber, where ya AU's and BA's doing that????I'm a ford man but bang for ya buck ya cant beat a VT/VX

Mate and dont know you told you that crap but a VX has a 4L60E better known as a turbo700 which is built by GM.

i dont think so.

Um, yeah an XR6 Turbo would almost certainly be quicker with 5k thrown at the mechanicals.

RavenLS1 · 16-08-2007, 04:12 PM

But your looking at 25k for a clean example. and a was only talking about V8's.

VippiN · 16-08-2007, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Fantastic_Ford

Is that what he wants tho?

I want a good looking daily that can handle it's own againsn't Skylines, Silvia's etc.

Both the 'XR6 Turbo' badge and 'GenIII' badge are respected IMO. 'Street cred' ?

LeadFoot81 · 16-08-2007, 05:47 PM

Yeah thats the prob, good examples of xr6t's are pricey, that's one of the reasons why I went the AU2 XR8.

LeadFoot81 · 16-08-2007, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by VippiN

I want a good looking daily that can handle it's own againsn't Skylines, Silvia's etc.

Both the 'XR6 Turbo' badge and 'GenIII' badge are respected IMO. 'Street cred' ?

Skylines and Silvias? (particularly Silvias :ymca: ) they dont mix with the big v8s do they?

Yeah the 6T and Gen3 badges have cred, but I like cruising past in the AU and freaking em out with my Judge Dredd front end that screams 'outta my way girls' :evil3:

MightyXR6Turbo · 16-08-2007, 06:20 PM

Vippin - Before I got my XR6T I was looking at VY Calais and VY SS's (all in auto guise). If you are looking purely at an auto, then the XR6T will win hands down every single time. Even a BA Mk1 (like I have). They can be had for under 20k, there are plenty of idiots selling em for that (my brother got rid of his Phantom 02 XR6T with premo sound and factory 18s for $19,500).

The transmission in the Holden's feels terrible. 4L60E is a total bucket of crap transmission, it makes the BTR in the Falcon look awesome (when it is far from it as well). The gear ratios in the Holden box are suited to how the Gen III wants to rev, and that makes it feel like a slug. T56 versions feel alot better than the auto ones.

For handling, a stock AUII/III XR8 or even BA XR6T will out handle a stock VX/VY all day every day. Their suspension set up is far superior to the crap IRS in those model Holdens.

As for stock power. A mate's AUIII XR8 easily had the same pull and power to match another mates stock manual VY SS and my stock XR6T.

So it all depends on what you want. If you want to go for squirts in the hills, then take the Falcon because it is far superior in handling than any VX/VY Commodore.

As for mods, they are more costly to get a Gen III to the same power level as an XR6T. For instance, it cost me $3000-4000 to get 300rwkW, in the Gen III that figure would climb substancially since a cam change alone is $3000, plus you'd need to pay $1500-2000 for an exhaust to suit, $1000 for an edit.. see you can see the prices stocking up.

So for affordability, XR6T is better. And it has cheaper rego too!

and insurance is no worse off than an SS, perhaps even better because they are more likely to get flogged in our lovely Northern Suburbs!.

Hope that helps mate.

Ryan · 16-08-2007, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by InSinR8

do you want the car on the road and safe?
holden holds the record....
18 Months, 19 recalls and in excess of 206,000 cars affected.

Then you just need to have a peekaboo on the LS1 forum and listen to all the H fans and drivers complainging about the faults and the atrocious service they get.

Remember kiddies.... God made ... Holden made it move

Pretty much the same thing happens here. How many threads have there been complaining about Ford's service? Alot to my knowledge.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/nation...601642736.html

I don't really like defending Holden here, but seriously Ford are not perfect either.

VippiN · 16-08-2007, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyXR6Turbo

Hope that helps mate.

It does, I really appreciate your contribution.

Aeron · 16-08-2007, 07:28 PM

I have a VX SS 6speed and an XR6T and I still enjoy driving the SS. Its a good car and sounds fantastic! The interior is the XR6T is much nicer but the SS is still a good car.

t2te50 · 16-08-2007, 07:30 PM

12.5 1/4 mile for 5,000K? Thats . Mate blokes on this forum with ED xr8 sprint's with stinker cams run 13 flat. 5.0L!!!!!!!!!!!
Supercharge that same motor (1 bar) and you'll run mid 10's. Mustangs are 300kg lighter and run low 9's with these kind of setups in the states.

VippiN · 16-08-2007, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Aeron

I have a VX SS 6speed and an XR6T and I still enjoy driving the SS. Its a good car and sounds fantastic! The interior is the XR6T is much nicer but the SS is still a good car.

Jeez mate you've got both?

Ok, hypothetical. New law comes in, you may only own one car. Which do you give up and why?

BENT_8 · 16-08-2007, 07:58 PM

Pfft...what a crock of .... from some!
The guys got enough money to buy a VX SS not a BA/F XR6T.
Yeah the Xr6T will go better with only 3K thrown at it but add that 3K to the extra 10K it'll cost him to buy in the first place and it's adding up.
He said he wants to mod it in future so as Raven said, you can get the LS1 moving for reasonable money infact if he spent the extra 13K that the XR6T would cost him modded on a VX Calais he could wack a manual behind it and have plenty left for engine mods, that solves the trans woes plus he'll have full options and lots of gadgets to play with.

As for the TE/S50 argument, i believe they are Tickford vehicles, how do they compare to a VX GTS300 by HSV?
It's hardly fair to compare a factory SS with a tickled FTE built car yeah.

And what ever happened to the old saying "THERES NO SUBSTITUTE FOR DISPLACEMENT"? oh yeah they hung a ricer hairdryer off a 4.0l i6

XR_Strider_GuY · 16-08-2007, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by VippiN

Thanks for the posts, guys.

I'm not a Ford man nor a Holden man. I'm really not biased on make, only model.

I'd love an XR6T, chances are i'd take one in a second over a VX SS but they're not in the same price range. I've heard some horror stories with people buying at auction where you might be able to get them around the same price.

I post here because if there is a good enough reason to not buy the VX SS I wouldn't, simple as that. As much as it's the most probable car i'll buy next it's not like I have my heart dead set on that model.

Hi Mate,
Firstly, going to fordforums.com.au what are you expecting? Ofcourse people will say an XR6 Turbo is better. Post this on LS1.com and you will get the exact opposite and both sides will have justifyable reasons. Make no mistake I am not moking your thread, I am just giving my opinion on your matter.

My opinion, do not buy a car like a two party prefered basis Morgan poll. You sound like your into abit of performance and not a daily economical car which is great. Best path to take is to test drive both, have a look at them and feel which one will suite you best. Its up to yourself to decide whether you will part with more money to get car A or B.

Cheers.

**Elks** · 16-08-2007, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

As for the TE/S50 argument, i believe they are Tickford vehicles, how do they compare to a VX GTS300 by HSV?
It's hardly fair to compare a factory SS with a tickled FTE built car yeah.

That was kind of my point.

A Tickford or HSV slightly older same dollars. Hand built lots of desireability now and in the long term. (Stupid insurance rates, but that is another matter) These are high spec cars with all the mod cons so nice to have on a cruise after you have run your 1/4 mile. They stop steer & Go.:eclipsee_

I'm not a holden guy but a GTS300, or any other HSV, would be fine tool if diriving a holden is what blows your hair back. Just not a VS GTS-R. Yellow with black wheels! Just Ugly.

Holden Man · 16-08-2007, 09:06 PM

I found with my SS (VU), handles great but FE 2 suspension is very firm, early T56 is ordinary, clutches poor, is really just a slight upgrade to acclaim spec.
I reckon you would be better of with a Calias.

But value for money what about a BA Fairmont ghia, they are a sweet car, electric everything, The V8 is smooth,
On the down side not going to hold their value as well as a SS, not as "sporty"
Well worth considering against and overpriced "executive" commodore

VippiN · 16-08-2007, 09:28 PM

Out of curiousity I got some quotes from JustCar Insurance:

XR6T, no mods, $19k value - Comprehensive $1,333.00
VXII SS V8, no mods, $19k value - Comprehensive $1,201.00
And for shits and giggles I put in..
R33 GTS-T, no mods, $19k value - Comprehensive $1,275.00

I was pretty shocked to see not much difference between them all.

What scares me are all the excesses on all of the above:

Standard $400
Plus Vehicle $1000
Age Excess $550
Theft $1000

So if any of the above are stolen and I want to claim.. It costs me $2950. Christ.

Steffo · 16-08-2007, 09:31 PM

Was just looking at SA car prices... for the money of a VX/VXII SS with 70-90k km, you can get an 02/03 XR6 Turbo with similar mileage. Unless you're looking at getting one of those 120-200k km SS's that go for 15-17k, they're not cheaper then the older Turbo's.

Here's an idea that's a bit different...

how about one of these Click Here or one of these... Click Here

Both are very nimble, can out accelerate any pre-VYSS 0-100-120km/h (where it counts) and be about there with a VY 235, can out handle and out brake most stuff on the road, are inexpensive to run in comparison and IMO a whole lot more fun. Plus they're both unique. Every man and his dog doesn't have one - score.

The Renault has a 124kW @ 6250rpm, 200Nm @ 5400rpm 2.0L 4-cyl that redlines at 7250rpm with a 5sp manual and weighs 1035kg, the Peugeot has a 130kW @ 7000rpm and 202Nm 4750rpm 2.0L 4-cyl that redlines at 7300rpm, 5sp manual also and weighs 1100kg. Much more interesting then a handles like a ship, brakes like a loaded freight train everybody has one VX SS, IMO anyway.

Though if it comes down to the big domestic, spend the same money, and get the XR6T.

VippiN · 16-08-2007, 09:36 PM

A hot hatch eh? Can't say I haven't considered it. Though I have my heart set on an orange XR5 when the time comes.

Muscle_Inc · 17-08-2007, 02:37 AM

VIPPIN - Depending on how deep your pockets are, i think a VX Berlina with a GEN3 motor would be the cheapest alternative. Reason being is depending on your age and current driving record it would be roughly in the same price bracket or slightly cheaper then the spec up models that have been mentioned, The premium should be fairly respectable cause its in the luxury/v8 department and as well has its aftermarket potential.

If its performance your after well heres what a vx berlina with a gen3 motor is capable of - Full exhaust system, C.A.I, Edit and 3.9's diff ratio would get you in the 13.3 bracket. Keeping in mind in factory trim there high 14's.

Now if you want a car that does have a all round package and has the ticks in all the right places you would have to be behind the wheel of a AUIII XR8 with the 220kw motor in manual or even better in one of those ts50 or te50 models but again depends on your wallet. The tickford models or even in the tickford enhanced vehicles feel like there tuned for any sort of occassion!

Goodluck on which either way you decide to go champ!

MITCHAY · 17-08-2007, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by VippiN

Out of curiousity I got some quotes from JustCar Insurance:

XR6T, no mods, $19k value - Comprehensive $1,333.00
VXII SS V8, no mods, $19k value - Comprehensive $1,201.00
And for shits and giggles I put in..
R33 GTS-T, no mods, $19k value - Comprehensive $1,275.00

I was pretty shocked to see not much difference between them all.

What scares me are all the excesses on all of the above:

Standard $400
Plus Vehicle $1000
Age Excess $550
Theft $1000

So if any of the above are stolen and I want to claim.. It costs me $2950. Christ.

You play, you pay

:

I've already thrown nearly $6k away on insurance!