July Vfacts. Ford 3rd again

[prydey]

Originally Posted by futura

Take Range out of Fords lineup and what have you got?

This is such a silly argument. There's no point because they DO have Ranger and it isn't successful by accident.

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

They literally sold more massive Transit vans than Focus

Can't sell what you don't have. That's all there is to it.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

They literally sold more massive Transit vans than Focus

Frankly current sales numbers of all brands are not just about which brand is popular but also about which brand can get access to any of its model lines.
If Ford could get 500 Escapes into the country including the hybrid they would sellout every month.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by futura

Take Ranger out of Fords lineup and what have you got?

But why do that when Ranger is second top selling vehicle?
Ford banked heavily on high profit Ranger (and Everest) for our market.
Put all your eggs in one basket and watch that basket…….

The point is that Ford sells what it can while European supply is strangled.

[Poetic Justice]

From what I'm told from guys in Ford dealers you can't get Escape until next year - same for Mustang - so of course current registration numbers are going to be strained.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by Poetic Justice

From what I'm told from guys in Ford dealers you can't get Escape until next year - same for Mustang - so of course current registration numbers are going to be strained.

November supposedly.


There haven't been any 2021 built Escapes or Focus to my knowledge...

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by prydey

This is such a silly argument. There's no point because they DO have Ranger and it isn't successful by accident.



Can't sell what you don't have. That's all there is to it.

What do you mean can't sell what you don't have? They seem to be able to get their hands on endless Rangers? Its just a lack of political will internally that means they can't get anything else other than Rangers.

[Poetic Justice]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

What do you mean can't sell what you don't have? They seem to be able to get their hands on endless Rangers? Its just a lack of political will internally that means they can't get anything else other than Rangers.

Different factories subject to different constraints.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

November supposedly.


There haven't been any 2021 built Escapes or Focus to my knowledge...

Affirmative....I'm also wondering by the time they get round to building them we could have gone through a few build MY changes, MY2020.75 (1st release using Euro winter spec so LHS indicator stalk, heated steering wheel, heated rear seats), MY2021.25 (our original order and switch to RHD indicator, dropping of heated s/wheel/rear seats), MY2021.50, MY2021.75...and the hybrid might even turn up ...

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

What do you mean can't sell what you don't have? They seem to be able to get their hands on endless Rangers? Its just a lack of political will internally that means they can't get anything else other than Rangers.

Escape (and maybe focus etc??) are from Spain. You can't make cars when the factory is shut due to covid.

Also there is the semi conductor shortage...

Obviously cars out of Thailand don't have those issues and obviously had good supply of semi conductors.

Look in the Escape thread at the issues with people ordering cars but Ford have no stock. We got lucky with ours, as we found a dealer that had one in stock. They had no more coming until later this year at the earliest.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by prydey

Escape (and maybe focus etc??) are from Spain. You can't make cars when the factory is shut due to covid.

Also there is the semi conductor shortage...

Obviously cars out of Thailand don't have those issues and obviously had good supply of semi conductors.

Look in the Escape thread at the issues with people ordering cars but Ford have no stock. We got lucky with ours, as we found a dealer that had one in stock. They had no more coming until later this year at the earliest.

That's absolute bull**** - two of my major suppliers at work are both based in Spain and I've got no issues getting my hands on product even through last year, if anything minor delays at best.

If the 'semi conductor' shortage is such a problem then how come they're managing to deliver circa 4000 Rangers a month or do they happen to use magic semiconductors not effected by COVID?

COVID is just being used as a convenient excuse for everyone to drop the ball and slash inventory, people are making out that we're in the midst of nuclear Armageddon.

Ford has no stock of anything other than Ranger because they don't care about anything other than Ranger in our market.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

That's absolute bull**** - two of my major suppliers at work are both based in Spain and I've got no issues getting my hands on product even through last year, if anything minor delays at best.

If the 'semi conductor' shortage is such a problem then how come they're managing to deliver circa 4000 Rangers a month or do they happen to use magic semiconductors not effected by COVID?

COVID is just being used as a convenient excuse for everyone to drop the ball and slash inventory, people are making out that we're in the midst of nuclear Armageddon.

Ford has no stock of anything other than Ranger because they don't care about anything other than Ranger in our market.

Just telling it how it is. You don't have to believe it but that doesn't make it not true.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by prydey

Just telling it how it is. You don't have to believe it but that doesn't make it not true.

No you're not 'telling it how it is', you're just pedalling lies and bull****

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

No you're not 'telling it how it is', you're just pedalling lies and bull****

So the valencia Ford factory hasn't had to shut down periodically over the last 12-18 months due to covid, and isn't currently suffering from semi conductor shortage?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by prydey

So the valencia Ford factory hasn't had to shut down periodically over the last 12-18 months due to covid, and isn't currently suffering from semi conductor shortage?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

There's more to it than just yes or no - semiconductor shortage is a global problem that other manufacturers are handling better than others - doesn't seem to be effecting Chinese manufacturers? What about Toyota? How come Toyota hasn't been effected?

https://www.caradvice.com.au/957747/...ech-from-cars/

Some are just better prepared than others, and Ford is the others, just because your lord and savior Ford cannot manage itself properly doesn't mean it applies to everyone.

Well for everything OTHER than Ranger production it seems, now why could that be?

There's no 'simple answer' to a complex problem, simple answers are for a simple mind, take your strawman argument elsewhere.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

There's more to it than just yes or no - semiconductor shortage is a global problem that other manufacturers are handling better than others - doesn't seem to be effecting Chinese manufacturers? What about Toyota? How come Toyota hasn't been effected?

https://www.caradvice.com.au/957747/...ech-from-cars/

Some are just better prepared than others, and Ford is the others, just because your lord and savior Ford cannot manage itself properly doesn't mean it applies to everyone.

Well for everything OTHER than Ranger production it seems, now why could that be?

There's no 'simple answer' to a complex problem, simple answers are for a simple mind, take your strawman argument elsewhere.

Every month you get very passionate in these threads about how poor Ford are in your opinion. I'm not sure why but in any case it doesn't change the fact that Ford are having supply issues. Whether you think they care or not is just your opinion.

I said, they can't sell what they don't have. That is fact and the dealers are all desperate for stock however Australia, in the big picture, are a tiny island and obviously Europe gets priority. If you want to drag that down to a 'Ford is useless and don't care' argument, go your hardest. It doesn't change the facts.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by prydey

Every month you get very passionate in these threads about how poor Ford are in your opinion. I'm not sure why but in any case it doesn't change the fact that Ford are having supply issues. Whether you think they care or not is just your opinion.

I said, they can't sell what they don't have. That is fact and the dealers are all desperate for stock however Australia, in the big picture, are a tiny island and obviously Europe gets priority. If you want to drag that down to a 'Ford is useless and don't care' argument, go your hardest. It doesn't change the facts.

The reason I get very passionate about these issues is I work in the automotive industry, in a field which serves both original equipment manufacturers AND the aftermarket, I have a lot of experience in dealing with OEMs and I know some of the silly things they do to their supply chain and all their agreements they insist on their supply chain signing, then turn around and dump them and leave their supply chain holding the empty bag.

Then on the other hand - availability is a critical part of supply to the automotive aftermarket.

Notice how Toyota was the first to implement lean manufacturing/5S principles, that all the others followed?

Now Toyota again is the one who thought about their critical supply chain and implemented steps to protect their business, which caught the others out?

Here's an interesting one for you, I've previously rejected an opportunity to supply to Ford in the past.

The proper way to acknowledge my posts would be 'Thank you Franco for giving me FREE insight into the operations of the industry I am passionate about and love at no cost'.

[minheim]

I remember reading that in the USA Ford is looking to supply part finished cars to dealers to store and post production fit components that are out of stock. The component shortage is real and impacting production and supply in all Ford markets

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

The reason I get very passionate about these issues is I work in the automotive industry, in a field which serves both original equipment manufacturers AND the aftermarket, I have a lot of experience in dealing with OEMs and I know some of the silly things they do to their supply chain and all their agreements they insist on their supply chain signing, then turn around and dump them and leave their supply chain holding the empty bag.

Then on the other hand - availability is a critical part of supply to the automotive aftermarket.

Notice how Toyota was the first to implement lean manufacturing/5S principles, that all the others followed?

Now Toyota again is the one who thought about their critical supply chain and implemented steps to protect their business, which caught the others out?

Here's an interesting one for you, I've previously rejected an opportunity to supply to Ford in the past.

The proper way to acknowledge my posts would be 'Thank you Franco for giving me FREE insight into the operations of the industry I am passionate about and love at no cost'.

You keep answering questions no one asked.

Yay, you love the way Toyota do business. Irrelevant.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by prydey

You keep answering questions no one asked.

Yay, you love the way Toyota do business. Irrelevant.

No, I actually couldn't give two ****s about the worlds biggest white goods manufacturer, its an example of someone who manages their supply chain correctly, so you know they can actually make cars?

You're Ford's Mujahideen blindly defending your lord and savior because you can't accept criticism of a company you love having a crack at anyone who points out, maybe Ford just isn't handling this in the right way?

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by minheim

I remember reading that in the USA Ford is looking to supply part finished cars to dealers to store and post production fit components that are out of stock. The component shortage is real and impacting production and supply in all Ford markets

There’s about 45,000 F Trucks missing chips in their information/ entertainment units,
all are drivable and will be progressively delivered to dealers with instructions on how to
Install chips and complete for delivery to customers.

[jpd80]

One thing about imports, if the boats don’t come, there’s nothing to sell.

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by futura

Take Ranger out of Fords lineup and what have you got?

20 Years ago you could have replaced the word Ranger With Falcon...!!

I personally think Ford need to cull a few Models from their lineup..

It would reduce Costs & Improve the Bottom Line. In My opinion.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

You're Ford's Mujahideen blindly defending your lord and savior because you can't accept criticism of a company you love having a crack at anyone who points out, maybe Ford just isn't handling this in the right way?

I'm the first to admit that Ford are my 'footy team' so to speak. No argument here, and yes, on a Ford forum, I do often stick up for them. Big deal. That's what fans do.

If we take a step back though, you had a chuckle that transit outsold focus. I simply stated the facts that focus, along with all the euro models, are supply limited. That's all. You were the one that wanted to make it about how Ford do business. You have an agenda in these threads. I don't care.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by prydey

I'm the first to admit that Ford are my 'footy team' so to speak. No argument here, and yes, on a Ford forum, I do often stick up for them. Big deal. That's what fans do.

If we take a step back though, you had a chuckle that transit outsold focus. I simply stated the facts that focus, along with all the euro models, are supply limited. That's all. You were the one that wanted to make it about how Ford do business. You have an agenda in these threads. I don't care.

Supply limited - through poor management of supply chain on products they don't care about

You keep leaving out the full picture.

Originally Posted by hayseed

20 Years ago you could have replaced the word Ranger With Falcon...!!

I personally think Ford need to cull a few Models from their lineup..

It would reduce Costs & Improve the Bottom Line. In My opinion.

Same - get rid of everything except Ranger 4x4 and Ranger 4x2, be like 'Isuzu Ute' where they literally sell two cars - MUX and D-Max.

[Sprintey]

Everest is selling well too - it's "Ranger Wagon" tho so like the MUX to the DMAX.

Focus question - are they selling Focus Active as part of the Focus numbers?

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Supply limited - through poor management of supply chain on products they don't care about

You keep leaving out the full picture.

That is your opinion.

[jpd80]

RHD Euro Ford’s are available to our market with considerably low localisation costs,
whatever sells here is pretty much jam for Ford as they have a premium entry price.

Some work better than others but it was looking like Puma was getting some sales
traction even with near $30k starting price.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by hayseed

20 Years ago you could have replaced the word Ranger With Falcon...!!

I personally think Ford need to cull a few Models from their lineup..

It would reduce Costs & Improve the Bottom Line. In My opinion.

My prediction is the Fiesta ST and Focus range will be gone by the end of this year.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by jpd80

RHD Euro Ford’s are available to our market with considerably low localisation costs,
whatever sells here is pretty much jam for Ford as they have a premium entry price.

Some work better than others but it was looking like Puma was getting some sales
traction even with near $30k starting price.

Pricing is actually on par, if not better than competitors when you consider spec levels.

[fiestaz]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

My prediction is the Fiesta ST and Focus range will be gone by the end of this year.

Not sure about the Fiesta ST. Last i looked it was doing rather well as a single trim model.
I wish Ford just did better marketing. Their cars are good!