Fines for vehicle defects SA

[Matty4]

Originally Posted by sudszy

This thread is about being fined for not having working lights

Ahhh.....no it's not!!!
Take some of your own advise and read things properly before you open your metaphorical mouth...........it's about "Fines for vehicle defects SA" (look, it even says so at the top of every post^^)

Originally Posted by sudszy

What relevance the fact that I drove a car without a speedo(to clarify, the speedo "worked" but not to any consistency or accuracy and there were no regs for that at the time) for three years has to that,

It's very relevent......your advise for everyone on here that has put up examples of having a blown headlight/ taillight is to either replace said defective item or take the vehicle off the road until such time as the repair has been effected

Originally Posted by sudszy

Same thing you do when any event happens where you cant get restore you car to roadworthy condition to continue your journey.....you park it,until it is fixed, or call for a tow truck and take it to someone that can.

Whether you have to remove half the front of the car to change the globe or the car was zapped by aliens there are no exemptions to being legally allowed to drive your vehicle in an unroadworthy state.

and therefore bringing the car back into a roadworthy condition, yet you failed to heed your own "advice" and remove your own vehicle until said defect was repaired.

You can't be the moral crusader that you wish to be and expect everyone to "do as I say, not as I do" because you lose all credibility. In fact, you already have with pretty much eveyone who had posted in this thread.

Don't you feel like you're with this crowd and your energy would be better utilised on something far more suited to your "talents?"
See here
http://www.walk.com.au/pedestriancouncil/page.asp (although I suspect you're a member already

BTW.....whilst you're on this crusade about blown taillights,

Originally Posted by sudszy

Ben, its all about being able to make out the four corners of the vehicle. If you look up the ADRs there are regs about how far from the edges of the car you must place headlights, brakelights, indicators and tail lights.

head over here and inform all of them that they must all take their cars off the road until they can rectify the situation of only having one brake/taillight...
http://forums.fxfjholden.com/

Matty.

PS. still waiting on an update to your profile letting us know who you really are

[Fireblade]

Haha Sudzy proves he is a hypocrite yet again.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by sudszy

You claim to do a lot of driving, what's your immediate reaction when you see one light in the distance or approaching or in the rear view? Oh its a car with only one headlight, or its a motorcycle? Ive learnt to perhaps cater for it to be a car with one headlight, but do you see a safety problem?

If the right hand headlight is out, the approaching driver may think its a motorcycle positioned close to the left hand side of the road, and not realise there is a whole car in the approaching lane that they cant see. Or in the case of a pedestrian, the car approaching may have its left hand lamp out and think its a motorcycle travelling close to the middle of the road, and step out thinking they have meters to spare only to be cleaned up by the half of the car they cant see.

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I do about 50,000kms a year. So yeah its a bit more then most people.
In all that time I have never had a problem with cars with 1 headlight out.

Maybe from 300 metres(on a road with no street lights) its sometimes hard to distinguish between a car or a bike, but within 100 metres its quite clear what is coming towards you or behind you.

SO when you are crossing the road at night and you see a bike coming towards you near the middle of the road, you step off the gutter and stand in the middle of the lane waiting for the bike because it can fit past you?
You should not step off the gutter and go no where near it until its completely past.

Same with a bike on a country road, you should NOT feel the need to move more towards the wrong side of the road just because a bike is riding close to the left hand side of the road.

[QUOTE=sudszy]Ben, you can't work a search engine, but they let your drive a train engine

You said search 'car with one headlight' I did search car with one headlight, then I gave you the top result.

[mash again]

have no problem being fined for a genuine defect, do have a problem being fined when the car isnt illegal when going over the pit etc, specially as this can only happen every 3 weeks where i live 4 hrs from adelaide. But whinging about it wont help. stealth is the answer and keep your mods legal, try not to stand out in the crowd.

Not going to argue with a screwdriver, socket, sudzy or any other tool!

[GUNXR6T]

Couple more years in Australia and we'll start getting fined for walking too fast...

Minor defect for some cars here in SA will include scraping the car to the junkyard coz they will never pass Inspection, just over a bulb.

[84xespac]

Originally Posted by GUNXR6T

Minor defect for some cars here in SA will include scraping the car to the junkyard coz they will never pass Inspection, just over a bulb.

Which kind of means that said car really shouldn't be on the road in the first place. I am amazed at what can be put on the road in SA. I remember years ago when I had the GT I got done for excess smoke and a broken quater glass when I was on a trip down there. The excess smoke was actally unburnt fuel as the carby had crapped itself and I was on the way to get it fixed at the time I was pulled over, and the quater glass I had smashed to get in the car as I had locked the keys in the car a couple of days before and I had a spare at home in QLD so no big deal.

The car in question had gotten a QLD rwc 9 days prior. Anyway I ended up sending the GT back to QLD via a transporter as I decided to stay in Adelaide for a few months and brought an old XE wagon to drive around while I was there.

The XE had been off the road for approx 10years and sitting in a paddock. it was a piece of crap yet all I had to do to re rego it was provide the rego plate number vin and engine number along with bulild date and colour. I was dumbfounded to say the least, how could the put the GT off the road yet allow me to rego this bucket of crap without an inspection which in a million year it would never pass.

So the way I see it is welcome to last century car owners of SA, the rest of the country has had to deal with these fines for years and if it get heaps off the road that clearly shouldn't be then it can only be a good thing. I am not talking about the likes of a mint car with a blown bulb I am talking about the ones that are of real concern.

[svo supporter]

Originally Posted by sudszy

Heh, you are the one throwing lame excuses up in the air for your reasons to drive unroadworthy vehicles.


How do you know I am driving an unroadworthy vehicle? I have said nothing about them being unroadworthy. I've only asked where I can buy a sealed beam headlight from a servo when a spare parts joint is closed. They generally shut at 5 PM, which is just before darkness.


You are the one with 4 vehicles on historic rego, why dont you tell us whether the scrutineers in your car club actually will refuse to allow halogen inserts to replace the sealed beams and why and answer the question about whether they insist you must run cross plys as well.

You tell me pal. You're the surposed knowledgeable one. And where do you get the idea my cars came from the factory on cross plies? 1971 was when Valiants were optioned with radials.


It seems either you abuse the conditions of use of historic rego or have exaggerated the problems of being stranded without lights> You are supposed to only use the vehicle to go to club meets.....at 3am in the morning?

The below quote says it all. So how can you make a quote like this, when it's obvious you know bugger all about the historic rego system
I have no idea on how older cars work?, one has to ask, how have you determined that?

To sum the lot up. You know bugger all about the historic rego system, as shown by the above quoting. You also know bugger all about my cars that are on this rego. You're only summising, which is a dangerous thing. So I'd suggest sticking your bib out.

[Yellow_Festiva]

These laws (such as a blown light), if enforced on the spot with no warning will greatly harm police relations with the public. I honestly think there should be a list of 'defect' items where a verbal warning is given (and recorded).

Should you not rectify the problem (by driving to your local cop shop for a 2 min visual inspection) to wipe the warning within X days then you deserve the fine.

This scheme is about making money. Plain and simple.

I once got pulled over because I was missing a bolt on my rear wheel. I showed genuine shock as I had just got new rubber the day before and it seems they didn't do one of the bolts up enough.

After explaining this to the police, he was nice enough to send me on my way and sure enough, that evening I fished out one of my old nuts from the garage and popped it on. I guess I passed the 'attitude test'. I was 18 and on my P's at the time, supposedly a prime target for any police going by the attitude of my mates at the time.

Did I deserve a fine? Absolutely not IMO. And anyone who says otherwise is a $%^#@ &^%@)!*.

That 'defect' was totally out of my control and unknown to me. As is a blown light.

And I though the biggest problem in this thread was that someone said the Charade was made in korea lol

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by Matty4

It's very relevent......your advise for everyone on here that has put up examples of having a blown headlight/ taillight is to either replace said defective item or take the vehicle off the road until such time as the repair has been effected

And excellent advice it is when we are talking about a blown headlight, which was raised by a couple of the posters. If you see some problem with the advice let us know, let the road authorities know too, they'll be most interested to know that cars only need one headlight.

It doesnt matter how good a driver you are if people cant see you or mistake the position of your vehicle on the road you are creating a hazard, from the moment that light stops working!.

Somehow you think my ability to judge how fast Im going to a degree of accuracy that didnt attract any attention from the law or other drivers disqualifies me from pointing this out. .
No, Im not advising people to do that, as obviously there are many here who confess to having no idea how fast they are going unless they look at their speedo every 2 secs, nor would I have a cry if I got fined if somehow it was discovered I was not using a speedo to keep my car at a sensible speed

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by Ben73

I do about 50,000kms a year. So yeah its a bit more then most people.
In all that time I have never had a problem with cars with 1 headlight out.

Ben, its not just about you. not everyone has your superlative skills night vision etc.

Im not really interested in debating with you whether you think that cars should have two headlights or not.

Really if you needed someone to point out to you why there are regs then there is little chance that you would comprehend or accept the reasons for them when the reasons are put in front of you.

As I have pointed out before, that's the unfortunate reason we have to have laws and on the spot fines for all those out there that simply dont understand or think they are beyond some very simple basics of roadcraft and safety.

[SLO AU XR8]

Originally Posted by sudszy

And excellent advice it is when we are talking about a blown headlight, which was raised by a couple of the posters. If you see some problem with the advice let us know, let the road authorities know too, they'll be most interested to know that cars only need one headlight.

It doesnt matter how good a driver you are if people cant see you or mistake the position of your vehicle on the road you are creating a hazard, from the moment that light stops working!.

Somehow you think my ability to judge how fast Im going to a degree of accuracy that didnt attract any attention from the law or other drivers disqualifies me from pointing this out. .

So, you've never had any light blow un expectedly? the light bulb in the toilet didn't blow one day, etc. It happens. Yes, I carry a spare parker bulb and a spare headlight bulb, but when the bulb blows, I have to stop to change it (if I'm moving, don't say it can't happen, because I have been driving when the filament blew). This is enough to be defected. What happens if I have a tail light blow while moving, am I meant to see it without notification? I have an AU XR8, this doesn't have a bulb out warning symbol. If the bulb blows, am I expected to pull a phillips head screwdriver, a 10mm socket out of my backside to remove the entire tail light, just to change a bulb? what about changing an indicator which requires the front undertray to be removed?

Speedo not accurate withing ADR specifications is a major defect. On a pre 2006 vehicle, this is +/-10%. Thank's for shooting yourself in the foot Mr Perfect.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by sudszy

As I have pointed out before, that's the unfortunate reason we have to have laws and on the spot fines for all those out there that simply dont understand or think they are beyond some very simple basics of roadcraft and safety.

I'm just curious. Say, you walk out to your car and drive to work on your merry way. You have flashed your headlights on the wall you park in front of, and as you reverse you can see a healthy red glow from both sides reflecting on the side of the car you just reversed close to. All globes are fine.

You get pulled over on the way to work. Seems your muffler is hanging low. Perhaps someone thought you were a twat and stood on the tip to break the rubber mount.

Do you deserve a warning for that, or should you admit you are driving a defective and dangerous car and pay the fine?

A 'defect' is very open to interpretation (and to the mood of the police and how you interact with them).

If you want to be by the book, almost every car on the road has a defect.

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by SLO AU XR8

So, you've never had any light blow un expectedly? the light bulb in the toilet didn't blow one day, etc. It happens. Yes, I carry a spare parker bulb and a spare headlight bulb, but when the bulb blows, I have to stop to change it (if I'm moving, don't say it can't happen, because I have been driving when the filament blew). This is enough to be defected. What happens if I have a tail light blow while moving, am I meant to see it without notification? I have an AU XR8, this doesn't have a bulb out warning symbol. If the bulb blows, am I expected to pull a phillips head screwdriver, a 10mm socket out of my backside to remove the entire tail light, just to change a bulb? what about changing an indicator which requires the front undertray to be removed?

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If it aint roadworthy dont drive it, or perhaps you can direct us to the reg which says, its ok to drive it around for as long as you like with a light out if it requires tools to remove the lamp.

I dont give a rats which tools you need or whether the battery is stuck behind the headlight, neither will the lawyer that sues your **** off if you are unlucky enough to come to grief, and your insurance company is not going to stand by you either if you chose to drive it in an obviously unroadworthy state, ie one headlight out.

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

I'm just curious. Say, you walk out to your car and drive to work on your merry way. You have flashed your headlights on the wall you park in front of, and as you reverse you can see a healthy red glow from both sides reflecting on the side of the car you just reversed close to. All globes are fine.

You get pulled over on the way to work. Seems your muffler is hanging low. Perhaps someone thought you were a twat and stood on the tip to break the rubber mount.

Do you deserve a warning for that, or should you admit you are driving a defective and dangerous car and pay the fine?

A 'defect' is very open to interpretation (and to the mood of the police and how you interact with them).

If you want to be by the book, almost every car on the road has a defect.

Have you read through the thread? please do as I have passed comment already on what you have raised.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by sudszy

Have you read through the thread? please do as I have passed comment already on what you have raised.

Ok, so you answer a question with a question. yes, I have read over the thread.

So, I'll ask again. Fine or warning for the defective exhaust that you knew nothing about.

[93EB_SXR6]

"Derpa-derpa-derp. I am pro-anything-that-keeps-the-little-guy-down."

Honestly, if my headlight blows and I'm driving - I will notice it and call the RAA (since I have membership) I get free call-out and only have to pay for parts.
It sure beats carrying around globes (glass is breakable, try keeping them from breaking at some point when you're carrying around guitars, amps and drum kits.)
Sure, I could buy a special little box to store them in but that would be a waste of money IMO.

How would I possibly notice if one of my tail lights was out when I'm driving?
Tonight I could barely see twenty metres ahead of me through the rain and fog, doubt I'd be able to check my tail-lights against a storefront or whatever you're suggesting.

...gee, don't ya just hate when people answer a question by asking questions.
Sure reminds me of someone dressed as a wizard.

[svo supporter]

Oh no. I just remembered I haven't washed my engine down for at least 2 weeks. This means technically the car is defectible, as it'll have an oil residue on it, from the road surface.

Please don't tell officer plod, otherwise I'll end up with a $250 fine and a trip to regency park, due to an "oil leak".

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by svo supporter

Oh no. I just remembered I haven't washed my engine down for at least 2 weeks. This means technically the car is defectible, as it'll have an oil residue on it, from the road surface.

Please don't tell officer plod, otherwise I'll end up with a $250 fine and a trip to regency park, due to an "oil leak".

Good to see you've raised the white flag on your right to drive your vehicle with only one headlight because its on historic rego, cant get sealed beams at 3am.....or whatever else pops into your toaster ......that's what the stupidity above is saying, right?

Or are you now telling us your historic cars have serious oil leaks and you clean the motors regularly to disguise the fact? who knows what you are on about?

[SEZ213]

Originally Posted by sudszy

Good to see you've raised the white flag on your right to drive your vehicle with only one headlight because its on historic rego, cant get sealed beams at 3am.....or whatever else pops into your toaster ......that's what the stupidity above is saying, right?

Or are you now telling us your historic cars have serious oil leaks and you clean the motors regularly to disguise the fact? who knows what you are on about?

You purport to know better than most around here...you bring up hypothetical situations to support your asinine arguments, and you fail to respond to direct questions unless you feel you can poke holes in someone's comments.

Give it a rest, seriously - you drove an 'unroadworthy car', your credibility is shot...why bother digging a deeper hole for yourself by twisting someone's obvious sarcasm to suit your argument...

[Sizey]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

I'm just curious. Say, you walk out to your car and drive to work on your merry way. You have flashed your headlights on the wall you park in front of, and as you reverse you can see a healthy red glow from both sides reflecting on the side of the car you just reversed close to. All globes are fine.

You get pulled over on the way to work. Seems your muffler is hanging low. Perhaps someone thought you were a twat and stood on the tip to break the rubber mount.

Do you deserve a warning for that, or should you admit you are driving a defective and dangerous car and pay the fine?

A 'defect' is very open to interpretation (and to the mood of the police and how you interact with them).

If you want to be by the book, almost every car on the road has a defect.

This is what causes the issue sometimes. I will not talk for other states here but SA only. There are two very loose laws here that give the individual too much power. These are "hoon" and "defect" neither of which has a clear definition. Now if it is dependent on circumstances that makes the rules even more bendable and dangerous.

I am not one to stand up and say people should be driving unroadworthy vehicles however I will set up a hypothetical situation here.

Cop sees older woman driving along with neither number plate light working. Gives her a warning because how could she possible know. Twenty minutes down the street two young fellas just driving along minding their business and get pulled over. Cop searches the car until he eventually finds something and then BANG regency and $250 fine.... thanks for coming!

Only hypothetical but still in my eyes what is to come. We actually had a woman come in last week fuming because her Barina got defected for two of the three brake lights didn't work. I copped and earful from her because she said how much of bastards they were etc and I turned to her whilst changing them and said "love you had two lights out on the car and unfortunately it is deemed unroadworthy weather you knew they didn't work or not, they were just doing their job"

[Mechan1k]

After being on this forum for 6 years .... I have used the Ignore button for the first time ... and since then this thread is not so bad now.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by sudszy

Ben, its not just about you. not everyone has your superlative skills night vision etc.

Im not really interested in debating with you whether you think that cars should have two headlights or not.

Really if you needed someone to point out to you why there are regs then there is little chance that you would comprehend or accept the reasons for them when the reasons are put in front of you.

As I have pointed out before, that's the unfortunate reason we have to have laws and on the spot fines for all those out there that simply dont understand or think they are beyond some very simple basics of roadcraft and safety.

The topic of this thread was $120 for first offense in regards to a blown globe is a bit steep, considering many people would be unaware that they may have a light out.
They could give warnings, then fine people who then continue to ignore the problem, but instead they think it is better to just get money out of everyone who has a blown globe, whether it has been out for 1 minute or 1 month.

[svo supporter]

Originally Posted by sudszy

Good to see you've raised the white flag on your right to drive your vehicle with only one headlight because its on historic rego, cant get sealed beams at 3am.....or whatever else pops into your toaster ......that's what the stupidity above is saying, right?

Or are you now telling us your historic cars have serious oil leaks and you clean the motors regularly to disguise the fact? who knows what you are on about?

Pal, your an idiot. You have no idea how the system works. You have never seen my cars, so there is no way on this earth you'd know whether they're roadworthy or not. This includes my daily's. So I'd suggest stop being an idiot and rack off. Or are you to stupid to realise I'm not the only one telling you that.


Everyone else. I do apologise for my abrubtness.

[RAREV8]

Originally Posted by Mechan1k

After being on this forum for 6 years .... I have used the Ignore button for the first time ... and since then this thread is not so bad now.

Sudzy, I have given you every chance on this forum to contribute constructively- as I do everyone but due to your posts having almost no valuable content, the fact that you continually preach that you know better than most when you clearly do not and the fact that you may indeed be Harold Scruby leads me to, also for the first time, make use of the "ignore" button.

I hope others follow suit and I hope for your own sake you meet the real world at sometime and maybe, a real person in the flesh too.

Consider this one less person who will waste their time reading your flaccid, factually barren, contradictory and poorly scribed meanderings.

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by RAREV8

Sudzy, I have given you every chance on this forum to contribute constructively- as I do everyone but due to your posts having almost no valuable content, the fact that you continually preach that you know better than most when you clearly do not and the fact that you may indeed be Harold Scruby leads me to, also for the first time, make use of the "ignore" button.

I hope others follow suit and I hope for your own sake you meet the real world at sometime and maybe, a real person in the flesh too.

Consider this one less person who will waste their time reading your flaccid, factually barren, contradictory and poorly scribed meanderings.

i used that option months ago. if everyone keeps replying, he will never go away

[Fireblade]

After 4 years I have finally found this option today (once I looked hard enough) I have never found the need before.

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by F6 FOON

After 4 years I have finally found this option today (once I looked hard enough) I have never found the need before.

i have only used it once - if everyone used it, then hey . . . no more sudszy

[svo supporter]

Originally Posted by gtxb67

i have only used it once - if everyone used it, then hey . . . no more sudszy

Isn't there a warning he can get? Might change his attitude a little

[Matty4]

How do I do that? I have seen it before but can't find it

[Mechan1k]

Originally Posted by Matty4

How do I do that? I have seen it before but can't find it

Go to the offender's profile and in there is the Ignore function hyperlinked .... around the middle of the page.