How multicultural is Holden? - Page 4

BOSS 540 · 12-08-2005, 08:22 PM

They ARE an iconic brand in Australia. The 'Holden' brand is UNIQUE to Australia. Yes, their parent company is a multinational. Are they denying that at all? Can you please point out exactly where they are claiming that they are 100% Australian owned or their cars are 100% Aussie designed and built?[/QUOTE]

Rick,Rick,
I not saying Holden claim they are 100% anything. Simply, they / you still perpetuate the myth they ARE UNIQUELY more Aussie or Australia's own favourite brand simply because their parent Yankee doodle company 'GMC' called this market GM /Holden. 'Holden means a great deal to Australia'. Yeah big deal!

rick69 · 13-08-2005, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Dude WTF. Seriously what alcohol do you drink lol.

What alcohol does he drink??? Don't you mean what crack does he smoke??

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xyute · 13-08-2005, 02:40 AM

Australia had a car that was concieved, designed, and built here using only local componants. And it was almost completely ignored by the car buying public.. the legendary P76 ppl

Shonky · 13-08-2005, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by rick69

The 'Holden' brand is UNIQUE to Australia.

No I'm pretty sure they are sold in both New Zealand and Tasmania...

Steffo · 13-08-2005, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Young 'un

No I'm pretty sure they are sold in both New Zealand and Tasmania...

Tasmania is part of Australia

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johnydep · 13-08-2005, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by xyute

Australia had a car that was concieved, designed, and built here using only local componants. And it was almost completely ignored by the car buying public.. the legendary P76 ppl

Well it did have a few problems that kept buyers away;
build quality was shocking,
Ford, Holden & Valiant offered better looking vehicles,
The 6 cylinder engine was gutless,
Only the V8 won car of the year,
a major fuel crisis scared buyers away from large thirsty vehicles.

Also the engines were Leyland England.

I reckon Holden are very multicultural, they have a multicultural work force, they export & import parts & vehicles & ideas.

Most vehicle manufacturers are these days, that is the only wasy to survive in a tough vehicle manufacturing world.

Ryan · 13-08-2005, 03:22 PM

I looked at the build plate in my VL and it said it was built here in Aus.

Meh I dont care if Holden isnt 100% Australian I just like Holdens because they arent japanese and ive always liked the look of Holdens.

Theres no point in arguing which is more Australian Fords or Holdens cause they both still produce great domestic cars no matter how you look at it.

Bossxr8 · 14-08-2005, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave_au

http://www.drive.com.au/editorial/ar...x?id=5128&vf=1

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A bit strange that Holden won't say how much local content there cars have isn't it, they are too ashamed to admit it. Commodore has the a very low level of local content compared to their competitors and they don't want the people of Australia to know about it. Funny how they say its hard to tell, they would have a billion bits of information about their cars yet they don't know how much local content is in them when every other manufacturer does.
Holdens smoke screen PR propaganda at its best.

RAREV8 · 14-08-2005, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by zetec

Falcon is designed from scratch in Australia, the engine is designed and built here, it is FAR more Aussie than the Commodore EVER could be. Not only that but Ford is now 80 in australia with Falcon proudly accounting for half of those years. We're yet to see and all Aussie Commondore if we look at design and engine build.

In fact doesn't Ford have 2 totally purpose designed, engineered and built locally produced vehicles? Territory!!! Need I mention Ute and perhaps Fairlane as well?

Anyone who uses the rubbish line of Holdens being more Aussie than Fords can go jump, because Ford also manufactured Lasers, Escorts, you name it. All made in Australia.

If Holden really loved us would they still be using boat anchors to power their best selling car?

In 1979, Holden decided to use the European designed Opel: Ford also went with an European-derived design for the Falcon XD which was heavily based on the Ford Granada........Blame the Germans for all of it!!

However, Ford didnt use the Essex V6 but Holden used the 202 in Kingswoods/Commodores as was used in Crestas/Opel Commodores in Europe.

Best not to use the Escort as an example as these were purely Europen, even the ones built here. The only differences were small and pretty much limited to suspension and a couple of other things just to suit the local conditions.

RAREV8 · 14-08-2005, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by VY18s

I looked at the build plate in my VL and it said it was built here in Aus.

Meh I dont care if Holden isnt 100% Australian I just like Holdens because they arent japanese and ive always liked the look of Holdens.

Theres no point in arguing which is more Australian Fords or Holdens cause they both still produce great domestic cars no matter how you look at it.

Right on!! Totally agree. (does your car run an RB 30 motor from Japan!!!) He he, only joking! Hopefully its a local V8!!

RAREV8 · 14-08-2005, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BOSS 540

They ARE an iconic brand in Australia. The 'Holden' brand is UNIQUE to Australia. Yes, their parent company is a multinational. Are they denying that at all? Can you please point out exactly where they are claiming that they are 100% Australian owned or their cars are 100% Aussie designed and built?

Rick,Rick,
I not saying Holden claim they are 100% anything. Simply, they / you still perpetuate the myth they ARE UNIQUELY more Aussie or Australia's own favourite brand simply because their parent Yankee doodle company 'GMC' called this market GM /Holden. 'Holden means a great deal to Australia'. Yeah big deal![/QUOTE]

Keep seeing a lot of Holdens of a variety of vintages, all sporting Chevrolet badges..................................????

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P.S. I love lots of Holdens too- just playing devils advocate!

Matto_84 · 14-08-2005, 05:55 PM

To me the holden a a fully imported workhorse, maybe not the newst of the holdens. But with the old 3800 engines that were taken out from Chevis or buiks, the new gearboxes that are from some european company, The old VL RB engines that were taken from Nissan, the only true aussie Commodores are the VK and older models with the old 3.3 and 5 litre V8.

Fords on the other hand have a American name, but all their engines are made here, and found nowhere else in the world. Gearboxes may be another matter but to hat I know the T5 is made here and the 4 speed autos are made here. So these days Ford is getting more aussie than the holdens from 1986 onwards.

Mitsubishi I would class as quite an aussie car, their magnas are all built here and the engines made here. So I would say that Magnas and Falcons are more of an Aussie Car than Holden..

And for those idiots that say that Holden is aussie coz of its name, I would like to thow a Brick at there head with an inscription GENERAL MOTORS HOLDEN on it.

Sprint_ED · 14-08-2005, 05:57 PM

one thing u gotta correct all aout engines are not made her the ba, is diffrent but virtually every v8 au and before are yank

rick69 · 14-08-2005, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sprint_ED

one thing u gotta correct all aout engines are not made her the ba, is diffrent but virtually every v8 au and before are yank

That sentence is absolute jibberish to me....
Where are the grammar police when you need them???

12 · 14-08-2005, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rick69

That sentence is absolute jibberish to me....

Well.. what's the problem?? You should understand it perfectly well then! He's speaking your language after all.. :hihi:.

Ryan · 14-08-2005, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by scottishxc

Right on!! Totally agree. (does your car run an RB 30 motor from Japan!!!) He he, only joking! Hopefully its a local V8!!

Nah its a RB30 from Japan dude.

One thing I like about the RB30s in VLs is you cant tell their from Japan.

I used to think they were a Aussie engine.

rick69 · 14-08-2005, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by VY18s

Nah its a RB30 from Japan dude.

But the car itself is no where near Japanese looking.

Who cares if the RB30 is Japanese, when compared to the wheezy, gutless, breathless 4.1 I6 cement mixer, I know which one I'd rather have!

12 · 14-08-2005, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by scottishxc

does your car run an RB 30 motor from Japan

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Originally Posted by VY18s

Nah its a RB30 from Japan dude.

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Ryan · 14-08-2005, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 012

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He also asked if it was a V8 aswell.

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Ryan · 14-08-2005, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rick69

Who cares if the RB30 is Japanese, when compared to the wheezy, gutless, breathless 4.1 I6 cement mixer, I know which one I'd rather have!

I actually dont mind the Ford I6.

They would be better to mod in N/A form then the RB30s but when it comes to Turbo RB30 all the way.

XplosiveR6 · 14-08-2005, 09:14 PM

VL - engine by Nissan(japan), Body by Opel(german), badged by holden, no wonder they where so good

XplosiveR6 · 14-08-2005, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by rick69

Who cares if the RB30 is Japanese, when compared to the wheezy, gutless, breathless 4.1 I6 cement mixer, I know which one I'd rather have!

true, but before that motor, the 250 killed any six holden could ever produce

Ryan · 14-08-2005, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by EF_Dave

VL - engine by Nissan(japan), Body by Opel(german), badged by holden, no wonder they where so good

I thinks mainly beacause of the engine.

As the RB30ET was not offered in the VL's counterpart the R31 Skyline.

Ryan · 14-08-2005, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by EF_Dave

true, but before that motor, the 250 killed any six holden could ever produce

What type of motor is a 250?

The MaDDeSTMaN · 14-08-2005, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rick69

Who cares if the RB30 is Japanese, when compared to the wheezy, gutless, breathless 4.1 I6 cement mixer, I know which one I'd rather have!

Yeah, what are the torque figures for the RB30 again? :hihi:

Who needs torque anyway?

The MaDDeSTMaN · 14-08-2005, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by VY18s

What type of motor is a 250?

250 is the cubic inches of the 4.1L I6... 3.3L = 200ci, 4.1L = 250ci, 5.0L = 302ci, etc.

Sprint_ED · 14-08-2005, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rick69

That sentence is absolute jibberish to me....
Where are the grammar police when you need them???

ok i like to type fast big deal. im just making a point, that although thay are saying that all fords motors a made here i was trying to say that AU and before V8 Motors were all US built, Windsors and Cleavelands,

both companies take their share of components from other companies, ford and holden do it, car companies are more global now than what they used to be decades ago, so its bound to happen, geez the mighty american muscle of the Ponitac GTO is now a worthless Holden Monaro,

and i agree with the rest of you, if holden ment a big deal to Australia, they would atleast design an Australian car, just not copy a European one

rick69 · 14-08-2005, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The MaDDeSTMaN

Yeah, what are the torque figures for the RB30 again? :hihi:

Who needs torque anyway?

Compare the real life performance, not the (useless) on-paper figures

_ We drive cars after all, not pieces of paper.

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XplosiveR6 · 14-08-2005, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by VY18s

I thinks mainly beacause of the engine.

As the RB30ET was not offered in the VL's counterpart the R31 Skyline.

the r31 had the RB20DET as the performance motor - a much nicer motor

RED_EL_XR8 · 14-08-2005, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rick69

Who cares if the RB30 is Japanese, when compared to the wheezy, gutless, breathless 4.1 I6 cement mixer, I know which one I'd rather have!

Watch the racing today Rick69? The Blue Cement Mixer Company had the winning cars again!!! Maybe Snozz should fit sand tyres.

your ignorance of the I6 engine equalls or exceed you ignorance on all things automotive.

: VL Turbo

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