Wheels 'Ford Mustang V8 scores ‘poor’ 2-star safety rating' - Page 4

Bill M · 27-01-2017, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Express

You obviously have a problem with Wheels and I guess by your insistence it’s deserved but Wheels didn’t design, manufacture or sell this variant of the Mustang, they’re just reporting this news much the same as everyone else.

If they hate Ford as much as you say and put them down at every opportunity then this time Ford has definitely given them the ammunition to do the job.

What do you want them to do with an article like this other than parrot like the rest, this is not a subjective review, it’s a news item.

Anyway you shouldn’t worry as all of us on this forum know that’s not a Mustang being tested in those photos, it’s a Commodore that Wheels have photoshopped some Mustang badges on.

Down with GM I say.

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Express,

now you are just being silly.

1. I don't have a problem with Wheels mag, just the some of the lame comparisons in this article.

2. If the Mustang got 2 stars it gets two stars. That is Ford's fault and no one else is to blame.

3. Where did I write or convey Wheels hates Ford???

4. Commodore? Photoshop? Down with GM? Is that a joke?

5. I do object to you taking liberties and distorting what I have posted.

6. I am surprised as I thought you were better than this.

Bill.

Express · 27-01-2017, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill M

Express,

now you are just being silly.

1. I don't have a problem with Wheels mag, just the some of the lame comparisons in this article.

2. If the Mustang got 2 stars it gets two stars. That is Ford's fault and no one else is to blame.

3. Where did I write or convey Wheels hates Ford???

4. Commodore? Photoshop? Down with GM? Is that a joke?

5. I do object to you taking liberties and distorting what I have posted.

6. I am surprised as I thought you were better than this.

Bill.

Sorry mate I read lari1eye’s comment about Wheels “continuing their fine anti Ford history” followed by your post and my tired old brain scrabbled them up as I wrote my post.

All I can say is I’ve got too much to remember and too few brain cells left to process it all.

Oh and I was trying to be funny about the photoshop but funny won’t work when you stuff up the story.

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malazn mafia · 27-01-2017, 01:43 AM

Really shocking results if they are true and relatable to the scoring system done on FG. To be in the same league as a Daewoo and a non-descripit chinese Van is really something unforgivable. If that's how the yanks make their vehicles, we really have lost something good with the end of Aus made vehicles. How many people's lives have been saved by the sturdy engineering of locally made Falcons I wonder...

.:4:. · 27-01-2017, 05:00 AM

https://youtu.be/DD2LzvqMF-0 that's the reason I choose to drive safely.

Bill M · 27-01-2017, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Express

Sorry mate I read lari1eye’s comment about Wheels “continuing their fine anti Ford history” followed by your post and my tired old brain scrabbled them up as I wrote my post.

All I can say is I’ve got too much to remember and too few brain cells left to process it all.

Oh and I was trying to be funny about the photoshop but funny won’t work when you stuff up the story.

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No worries Express, all good and the Sun has come up!

Back to topic I wonder if the 2018 Mustang will qualify for another ANCAP test when it appears.
Bill.

prydey · 27-01-2017, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by malazn mafia

Really shocking results if they are true and relatable to the scoring system done on FG. To be in the same league as a Daewoo and a non-descripit chinese Van is really something unforgivable. If that's how the yanks make their vehicles, we really have lost something good with the end of Aus made vehicles. How many people's lives have been saved by the sturdy engineering of locally made Falcons I wonder...

If you read the article and the entire thread you would realise the results aren't comparable with past results. The ancap system has been changed. Falcon would also score 2 stars on account of missing electronic aids.

Interesting that ancap isn't compulsory for all vehicles though. I guess most, if not all manufacturers would have their own internal testing criteria to pass.

bingoTE50 · 27-01-2017, 12:38 PM

I nearly ran into a new Audi on the M1 the other day , it just slowed expectantly or seemingly without reason , I think it must had been some technology at play. In Qld we travel within 10m of the car in front at 100 , caught me by surprise. Luckily my crash avoidance kicked in on my 2005 Statesman . I kicked it back to second real quick , kamikaze lane change , and avoided it.
Thank god my eyes and arms worked along with my legs and feet. Great technology.

.:4:. · 27-01-2017, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bingoTE50

I nearly ran into a new Audi on the M1 the other day , it just slowed expectantly or seemingly without reason , I think it must had been some technology at play. In Qld we travel within 10m of the car in front at 100 , caught me by surprise. Luckily my crash avoidance kicked in on my 2005 Statesman . I kicked it back to second real quick , kamikaze lane change , and avoided it.
Thank god my eyes and arms worked along with my legs and feet. Great technology.

I had something similar happen not long ago. Gassed it up a hill and the q5 behind me couldn't keep up. On the flat I was on the speed limit, but old mate in the q5 decided it was a good idea to come flying up my ar$e. The crash avoidance in that car had a different opinion. Lucky he had no one behind him. Those things stop pretty well. My dad has a high end q5 so I have a little knowledge of how to drive one.

P6LTD351 · 27-01-2017, 02:23 PM

What an absolute beat up with a massive ZERO care factor.

NO ONE is buying or NOT buying a Mustang based on its safety. It's a sports/muscle car.

lra · 27-01-2017, 02:28 PM

A lot of emotion and indignation.
As a relevant comparision, can we ignore “ Ford, price, value, performance “ for a bit, and somebody name a car ( simply 4 wheels, from A to B ), that has been released within the last 2 years, and is currently available on the Australian market.
Be it a BMW, Merc, Mahindra, Great Wall, whatever .... what were those results to get some sort of perspective into this debacle.

**Fordman1** · 27-01-2017, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by lra

A lot of emotion and indignation.
As a relevant comparision, can we ignore “ Ford, price, value, performance “ for a bit, and somebody name a car ( simply 4 wheels, from A to B ), that has been released within the last 2 years, and is currently available on the Australian market.
Be it a BMW, Merc, Mahindra, Great Wall, whatever .... what were those results to get some sort of perspective into this debacle.

Tested January 17th 2017 MG GS SUV.

No safety assistance tech and 4 Stars on the ANCAP website. WTF ??

This sounds suss.

Sprint XR8 · 27-01-2017, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Barraxr8

Tested January 17th 2017 MG GS SUV.

No safety assistance tech and 4 Stars on the ANCAP website. WTF ??

This sounds suss.

What's even more suss is the MG GS recieved 4 stars without a pole test.

"The GS was eligible for a pole test as head-protecting curtain airbags are standard, however the manufacturer chose not to proceed with
this test."
http://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.ancap.co...pdf?1484535639

suttoo · 27-01-2017, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Sprint XR8

What's even more suss is the MG GS recieved 4 stars without a pole test.

"The GS was eligible for a pole test as head-protecting curtain airbags are standard, however the manufacturer chose not to proceed with
this test."
http://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.ancap.co...pdf?1484535639

ANCAP and euro NCAP use different criteria for the rating, Euro uses the lowest rating which was for driver assists to give its rating. Where ANCAP doesn't go by lowest score.
ANCAP will be finished soon and we will use NCAP ratings

**Fordman1** · 27-01-2017, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sprint XR8

What's even more suss is the MG GS recieved 4 stars without a pole test.

"The GS was eligible for a pole test as head-protecting curtain airbags are standard, however the manufacturer chose not to proceed with
this test."
http://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.ancap.co...pdf?1484535639

This is all BS.

Rate the effing cars the same and score them accordingly.

Make sure your test criteria is consistent.

I agree get rid of ANCAP and use EURO or the US system.

So Mustang is rated differently in ANCAP criteria to other cars tested at the same time ? Because it's on their site stating an ANCAP result.

God help anyone trying to explain this BS to anyone.

It's all effing BS !!!!

.:4:. · 27-01-2017, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Barraxr8

This is all BS.

Rate the effing cars the same and score them accordingly.

Make sure your test criteria is consistent.

I agree get rid of ANCAP and use EURO or the US system.

So Mustang is rated differently in ANCAP criteria to other cars tested at the same time ? Because it's on their site stating an ANCAP result.

God help anyone trying to explain this BS to anyone.

It's all effing BS !!!!

I'm pretty sure I understand your argument. I somewhat beleive I have made a previous statement to change the number of stars as opposed to changing the criteria to earn a star.

**Fordman1** · 27-01-2017, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by .:4:.

I'm pretty sure I understand your argument. I somewhat beleive I have made a previous statement to change the number of stars as opposed to changing the criteria to earn a star.

And guess what ?

The Chinese 4 star MG GS didn't have a pole test either

Apparently the Chinese didn't want to do one ?

WTF ?

**DFB FGXR6** · 27-01-2017, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by .:4:.

I'm pretty sure I understand your argument. I somewhat beleive I have made a previous statement to change the number of stars as opposed to changing the criteria to earn a star.

ANCAP have tried to remove confusion by adding a "date stamp" so consumers can judge the scores better.

For example, a 5 star FG to FGX Falcon would have its date stamp of 2008. A current model Mondeo would have its 5 star rating dated 2015 (or there about). The theory being that a consumer can see that Mondeo's same star rating would be of greater value to the Falcon's that was rated before further advancements in technology.

The reality is all the cumsumer see's is the star rating in the brochure.

As I have said, these organisations are poorly relating information to the consumers they are supposed to be helping.

GTP534 · 27-01-2017, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Barraxr8

And guess what ?

The Chinese 4 star MG GS didn't have a pole test either

Apparently the Chinese didn't want to do one ?

WTF ?

You won't see the ANCAP chief call a press conference to explain that one yet they picked on the Mustang purely because of its sales success.

bingoTE50 · 27-01-2017, 06:48 PM

I am willing to buy any ones unsafe Mustang for 10k cash. Do it before you crash it . Seriously we would all have an XY Phase 3 in a heartbeat , who cares about the rating apart from the insurance cost implication. If I could afford a Mustang I would have one . I would love a 69 Fast back really but a new one would do. Anyone who says because of the lack of electronic aids , crash avoidance and 2 stars etc they will now not buy one, probably should not have one. Go do a advanced driving course then rethink.

Sprintey · 27-01-2017, 06:53 PM

Forget the stars or whether one crash safety routine is applicable to another: Would an FGX have suffered the door opening, the safety cell being as tested, or the driver's head hitting the steering wheel before the airbag deployed in an identical test?

**Fordman1** · 27-01-2017, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sprintey

Forget the stars or whether one crash safety routine is applicable to another: Would an FGX have suffered the door opening, the safety cell being as tested, or the driver's head hitting the steering wheel before the airbag deployed in an identical test?

Send one to Europe and get the Euro NCAP team to do the test in 2017.

Your question would then be answered.

Brazen · 27-01-2017, 08:14 PM

The safety requirements are pretty much identical for structural worthiness. It actually looks like Falcon would of scored close to 5 stars under the new regime too.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.ancap.co...pdf?1417387331

http://www.ancap.com.au/future-requirements

GXL078 · 27-01-2017, 08:31 PM

Longer doors popping open during a crash test was the reason they canned the P76 two door.

vbvbvb088 · 27-01-2017, 08:45 PM

Vic RACV has a post.

roddy1960 · 27-01-2017, 09:10 PM

G'day all...BUGGER ME....What's bloody going on ?...Another thing that astounds me..I got into a bit of trouble (fair enough too) for posting video links in general discussions etc...However....I've been replying to the Ford ads topic today and pointed out about the plethora of Ford ads in the USA .. Most are posted on You Tube.. In the end one led to an actual review /walk around of the 2017 Ford Fusion... Bloody incredible..
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Safety features and technology by the bucket load although I'm not sure necessarily on crash rating yet in comparison to the Mustang rating Re this thread. Get this though ...The 2.7 litre V6 ecoboost all wheel drive is apparently faster to 0-60 than the 5 litre V8 Mustang and is virtually identical to 0-100 mph as well.. It puts out 325 Hp and 380 ft lbs of torque in a four door sedan and eats it's main competitors for lunch.

This now s...s me to tears. No RHD , no-one in Europe gets it because of the Focus and Mondeo so we almost certainly won't get it either of course..Tiny RHD market rules it out I'll bet ya..Bloody nice bit of kit and being a V6 Turbo would give the new Commie a run for it's money in an ideal world..There are other engine options aplenty too..
Watch the video in the link I added in the Video thread and tell me it's not worth a look at least if it ever came to OZ.. Cheers Rod..

**Fordman1** · 27-01-2017, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

The safety requirements are pretty much identical for structural worthiness. It actually looks like Falcon would of scored close to 5 stars under the new regime too.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.ancap.co...pdf?1417387331

http://www.ancap.com.au/future-requirements

Are those test requirements and specs the same as the EURO NCAP tests used for the Mustang result ?

CyberWasp · 27-01-2017, 09:33 PM

and in other news.......
1000's of people today took to the roads on their bicycles and motor bikes.
Each one of them did so knowing they had -
zero side impact protection,
zero passenger protection,
almost zero driver protection,
zero pedestrian protection,
and zero electronic aids such as lane departure ect.

Why haven't they banned all these other forms of transport that offer pretty much zero protection?

ozrunner · 27-01-2017, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by roddy1960

................This now s...s me to tears. No RHD , no-one in Europe gets it because of the Focus and Mondeo so we almost certainly won't get it either of course..

Rod. Don't be so sure as the Fusion export model to some countries including Oz is called a Mondeo

, ie same vehicle.

But whether we will get it with the ecoboost is another story and a wait and see.

malazn mafia · 27-01-2017, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sprintey

Forget the stars or whether one crash safety routine is applicable to another: Would an FGX have suffered the door opening, the safety cell being as tested, or the driver's head hitting the steering wheel before the airbag deployed in an identical test?

That's what I want to know. If the FG-X or VF Commodore doors flew open in a pole test or the dummy bashed his head on the steering wheel before it inflated, the whole rating system is a farce, like the stupid 'moose test'. Isn't the whole point to avoid swerving or hitting poles in the first place?

Ben73 · 27-01-2017, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberWasp

and in other news.......
1000's of people today took to the roads on their bicycles and motor bikes.
Each one of them did so knowing they had -
zero side impact protection,
zero passenger protection,
almost zero driver protection,
zero pedestrian protection,
and zero electronic aids such as lane departure ect.

Why haven't they banned all these other forms of transport that offer pretty much zero protection?

I agree with this. Mustang is probably safer than most cars on the road that are more than 12 or so years old. Lots of old car getting around with no airbags, crumplezones, and all the other modern features cars of today have