Dodgy Journalism at it's best - Page 4

ADSXR8 · 04-09-2006, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by stevz

I agree with what you are saying totally, however think about it, if the exact same thing had happened the other way around, would drive.com.au still be accused of being dodgy and unprofessional? I doubt it. Most people here would be sitting back laughing and bagging the crap out of the VE. That is called hypocrisy.

I dont know mate, I cannot speak for others here, but I still would. I thought the whole thing was unprofessional, even with the pulling over of the broken XR8 (fairmont ghia). I am just busting to see comparisons, fair one's too. I dont want to know about broken bits, stuff like that just happens, its just bad luck.

drcook · 04-09-2006, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by stevz

I agree with what you are saying totally, however think about it, if the exact same thing had happened the other way around, would drive.com.au still be accused of being dodgy and unprofessional? I doubt it. Most people here would be sitting back laughing and bagging the crap out of the VE. That is called hypocrisy.

i cant talk for anybody else, but i would still bag them for unprofessionalism. i was looking forward to a "real" comparison (this was the first ss vs xr test ive come across), so with this "review" im dissapointed. not in the result (im a fence sitter), but with the delivery.

Surely being a car tester would be a great job, so surely it would be difficult to become a road tester, so surely you must be very good at anylising the technical and 'real world' attributes of each car to give a balanced review. and we get this garbage?. doesnt that make you a bit angry?.

wouldnt you think the people at LS1.com would be unhappy when a ford beats a holden, wouldnt you be unhappy if a referee hands a try to your opposing team in a game when he clearly shouldnt have?

**Falcon Coupe** · 04-09-2006, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by stevz

I agree with what you are saying totally, however think about it, if the exact same thing had happened the other way around, would drive.com.au still be accused of being dodgy and unprofessional? I doubt it. Most people here would be sitting back laughing and bagging the crap out of the VE. That is called hypocrisy.

Not hypocrisy.......bullshit, most of us appreciate the efforts of Holden and the competition it brings, crying hypocrisy from a speculated outcome is nothing but trolling in my opinion, i assure you if it was the Commodore that broke down we would still be wanting a full and fair comparison, not a load of garbage.

stevz · 04-09-2006, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

most of us appreciate the efforts of Holden and the competition it brings

After reading the huge amounts of VE and Holden bashing that goes on here, I find that statement a little hard to believe. Had it happened to the VE, sure, there are some open minded people here who would have viewed it fairly, but on the other hand a large number would have jumped on the opportunity to use it as ammunition for even more Holden bashing, I could just picture it.

colossus · 04-09-2006, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by stevz

After reading the huge amounts of VE and Holden bashing that goes on here, I find that statement a little hard to believe. Had it happened to the VE, sure, there are some open minded people here who would have viewed it fairly, but on the other hand a large number would have jumped on the opportunity to use it as ammunition for even more Holden bashing, I could just picture it.

IF you don't like whats written here why don't you STFU and troll away away to streetcommodores.com

stevz · 04-09-2006, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by colossus

IF you don't like whats written here why don't you STFU and troll away away to streetcommodores.com

What part of this did you not understand?

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Originally Posted by stevz

It's funny how people jump to conclusions, I don't drive a commodore or even a Holden

ADSXR8 · 04-09-2006, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by stevz

After reading the huge amounts of VE and Holden bashing that goes on here, I find that statement a little hard to believe. Had it happened to the VE, sure, there are some open minded people here who would have viewed it fairly, but on the other hand a large number would have jumped on the opportunity to use it as ammunition for even more Holden bashing, I could just picture it.

I just had a look on ls1.com.au and intersting enough, they are not happy with the test either. They believe the result would not have changed, but cannot understand that it was published like that. Shame drive.com.au, shame!

Dezza · 04-09-2006, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by stevz

After reading the huge amounts of VE and Holden bashing that goes on here, I find that statement a little hard to believe. Had it happened to the VE, sure, there are some open minded people here who would have viewed it fairly, but on the other hand a large number would have jumped on the opportunity to use it as ammunition for even more Holden bashing, I could just picture it.

I must admit, the Commodore would have won the review anyway, being a far newer car, but that review was pathetic. A car can't lose a review because the driver crashed! And nice use of the Ghia pretending to be an XR8! The thing about the Australian car industry is that the Falcon was a better car, now the Commodore's moved to the top, and I'm sure when Orion comes out, the Falcon will be the better car again. It's progress and competion. I'd be lying if I said every Falcon is better than the Commodore equivalent, but it certainly isn't the opposite either. It's this Ford vs Holden competition that makes the Australian cars so good. Everytime they try to outdo each other, they just make the cars better and better.

4Vman · 04-09-2006, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by stevz

After reading the huge amounts of VE and Holden bashing that goes on here, I find that statement a little hard to believe. Had it happened to the VE, sure, there are some open minded people here who would have viewed it fairly, but on the other hand a large number would have jumped on the opportunity to use it as ammunition for even more Holden bashing, I could just picture it.

Dude, give up, were all sick to death of holden trolls here....

stevz · 04-09-2006, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Dude, give up, were all sick to death of holden trolls here....

Refer to post 96.

Smoked · 04-09-2006, 03:57 PM

Its a FREAKING NEW MODEL.

The XR8 was never going to win, the way the review was conducted was a farse.

I wish people would stop assuming tat becasue we a FORD forum we are going to whinge.

4Vman · 04-09-2006, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by stevz

Refer to post 96.

I dont particularly care if you own one or not, your whole demenour and defensiveness towards anything remotely negative about holden is enough to give most the $%#@'s.
Its Ford Forums, surely if there was ever a place to be proud or pro Ford and a bit negative towards the "dark side" or crap "anti Ford" journalism this is it?? Its not like anyone is blindly blaming Holden or bagging them, were not stupid, we know the VE will be a good car.

ADSXR8 · 04-09-2006, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

I dont particularly care if you own one or not, your whole demenour and defensiveness towards anything remotely negative about holden is enough to give most the $%#@'s.
Its Ford Forums, surely if there was ever a place to be proud or pro Ford and a bit negative towards the "dark side" or crap "anti Ford" journalism this is it?? Its not like anyone is blindly blaming Holden or bagging them, were not stupid, we know the VE will be a good car.

Dont forget lads, people are allowed to have there own opinion.

I agree too that we are not whinging about the Xr8 not winning, but how the test was conducted.

And smoked, just because its a new model, doesn't means its going to win. Far from it. If you have some time, look at a couple other comparsion drive.com.au have done. They actually gave a win the to Calais V vs Fairmont ghia in six cylinder trim. The omega beat the XT, but it was extremely close.

drcook · 04-09-2006, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by stevz

What part of this did you not understand?

thats fine, i wouldnt tell you to go to another website for holdens or anything else, but i would ask - if you clearly dont like what the mojority of people are writing here, why log-on here?
i dont mean any kind of offence to you but, well, if you dont like the heat, you get out of the kitchen, if you know what i mean.

4Vman · 04-09-2006, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ADSF6

Dont forget lads, people are allowed to have there own opinion.

I agree too that we are not whinging about the Xr8 not winning, but how the test was conducted.

And smoked, just because its a new model, doesn't means its going to win. Far from it. If you have some time, look at a couple other comparsion drive.com.au have done. They actually gave a win the to Calais V vs Fairmont ghia in six cylinder trim. The omega beat the XT, but it was extremely close.

I agree, having an opinion is fine, but a few keep trying to jump to the defence and "square up" every time something remotely anti or negative about holden comes up even when the "negativity" or "critisism" is accurate or well found and its getting just a little tiring and unnecessary.....

Zed7fiddy · 04-09-2006, 04:54 PM

lol, video is gone now....

The Monty · 04-09-2006, 05:19 PM

Giggitty...

Outbackjack · 04-09-2006, 05:24 PM

Reading through this thread, if nothing else, has proved to me that some holden owners deserve their reputations as "holden owners". I think that most ford drivers would understand what I am saying.

Cheersall. :Reverend:

stevz · 04-09-2006, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Outbackjack

Reading through this thread, if nothing else, has proved to me that some holden owners deserve their reputations as "holden owners". I think that most ford drivers would understand what I am saying.

Cheersall. :Reverend:

Can you go through the thread and point out exactly who the Holden owners are?
Sheesh, I give up.

Cuey · 04-09-2006, 05:53 PM

I can't get the video to play

CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE POST A LINK OR SHORTCUT SO ANYONE WHO HASN'T SEEN IT CAN HAVE A LOOK

PLEASE!!!!!!!!!

The Monty · 04-09-2006, 06:06 PM

Three cheers to OutbackJack. Oh, by the way, what DO you drive Stevz?

Redrum · 04-09-2006, 06:22 PM

Their response which I just received...........

"Thank you for feedback. If you have a specific question we will contact you.
I hope you continue to enjoy watching our content.
Yours sincerely,

Fairfax Digital Productions"

How Lame

**russellw** · 04-09-2006, 06:26 PM

Please NOTE:

NOTE FROM EDITOR OF DRIVE.COM.AU

I just wanted to give your users a quick update on the SS-V vs XR8 video that is being discussed in this thread.

The video was not supposed to be published and we are investigating how it ended up online.

Toby Hagon
Editor, drive.com.au

The Monty · 04-09-2006, 06:36 PM

Not meaning to pick or anything, and not meaning to go off topic, but Stevz, out of your 74 posts, only 11 were NOT directly saying Holden is Great, or having a dig at Fords. If you like Holdens so much, and dont like Fords, ask yourself why your here.

Smoked · 04-09-2006, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by russellw

Please NOTE:

NOTE FROM EDITOR OF DRIVE.COM.AU

I just wanted to give your users a quick update on the SS-V vs XR8 video that is being discussed in this thread.

The video was not supposed to be published and we are investigating how it ended up online.

Toby Hagon
Editor, drive.com.au

Thank God for that, it did seem just a little to ridiculous.

Bossxr8 · 04-09-2006, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The Monty

Not meaning to pick or anything, and not meaning to go off topic, but Stevz, out of your 74 posts, only 11 were NOT directly saying Holden is Great, or having a dig at Fords. If you like Holdens so much, and dont like Fords, ask yourself why your here.

: Nearly every post he has made on this site directly praises Holden while bagging Fords. Must think people don't notice. No need to lie about it, you'd have more credability if you just came out and said you prefer Holdens.

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How conventient that Drive have now claimed it wasn't supposed to be posted on their site. Seems like a weak excuse to back out of being made to look stupid.

Abacus · 04-09-2006, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by The Monty

Three cheers to OutbackJack. Oh, by the way, what DO you drive Stevz?

A better question might be to ask him whether he drives at all.

Perhaps STEVZ should come back when he's old enough to have grown some short and curlies.

Steve · 05-09-2006, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by russellw

Please NOTE:

NOTE FROM EDITOR OF DRIVE.COM.AU

I just wanted to give your users a quick update on the SS-V vs XR8 video that is being discussed in this thread.

The video was not supposed to be published and we are investigating how it ended up online.

Toby Hagon
Editor, drive.com.au

hmmmm I think a public apology might be in order.

Van D · 05-09-2006, 12:34 AM

Oh man, i've got plans for this..

Me and a few mates are grabbing some cars, some cardboard and 'decals' or 'badges', a couple video cameras, some empty roads, a mate who needs to ****.. And possibly some random black/white godzilla footage to re-create this video in it's true form!

Gonna be so fun. Should be done this weekend, i'm just busy these weekdays.

Abacus · 05-09-2006, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by russellw

Please NOTE:

NOTE FROM EDITOR OF DRIVE.COM.AU

I just wanted to give your users a quick update on the SS-V vs XR8 video that is being discussed in this thread.

The video was not supposed to be published and we are investigating how it ended up online.

Toby Hagon
Editor, drive.com.au

I was inclined to suggest Media Watch.

But in hindsight, this is probably the kind of thing where no publicity is good publicity.