Seriously, WTF is wrong with people!!

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by prydey

I saw a green car break the law once, therefore all green cars are lawbreakers. this seems to be the logic used in the post above, and most other 'anti bike/truck/caravan/cycle/4wd/non motorist' people.

If you saw a scooter make his way to the front and then cause issues etc, then all you saw was what you saw. you didn't see evidence of ALL scooter users. you saw one scooter user. your beef is with that rider. The same applies to any indiscretion you see on the road. even if you saw 10 road users of the same type do the same thing illegal, it isn't evidence against the whole community. Its just 10 people breaking the law.

What if the scooter rider was African?

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

And it's not just bikes, I have the same argument against tiny flyweight cars.

I think you're just fishing for bites and since your argument has more holes than a drag net i'll take the bait.

So please tell me oh wise one, if you are driving a 200 series Landcruiser and get hit head on or T boned in the drivers door at 90km/hr by a Roadtrain, the biggest shark on our road network, would it matter much what size your car is?

Unfortunately there was a family in an SUV all but wiped out on the weekend after a headon with a truck in Victoria, is their SUV too small to be on the road too?

Unless you are driving said Roadtrain, there is always someone bigger on the road who can make you as vulnerable as that 'flyweight car' driver.

[Rallye Sport]

There seems to be two arguments to this.

Theres the moral high ground approach, I'm within my rights to be doing this, I'm not breaking any laws by doing so and neither should anyone else be.

Then theres reality, there are impatient, distracted, law breaking and belligerent people out there, it's law of the jungle on the roads, sad I know but reality all the same.

JSA's are an unfortunate reality in my line of work, whether I pay attention to them is up to me but if nothing else they do alert me to risks and allow me to implement safety measures if I wish too. Sounds like this is what you've done Bent8 by hanging up the helmet, just in an 'on the job' way by putting it on the line and finding out first hand.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Rallye Sport

There seems to be two arguments to this.

Theres the moral high ground approach, I'm within my rights to be doing this, I'm not breaking any laws by doing so and neither should anyone else be.

Then theres reality, there are impatient, distracted, law breaking and belligerent people out there, it's law of the jungle on the roads, sad I know but reality all the same.

JSA's are an unfortunate reality in my line of work, whether I pay attention to them is up to me but if nothing else they do alert me to risks and allow me to implement safety measures if I wish too. Sounds like this is what you've done Bent8 by hanging up the helmet, just in an 'on the job' way by putting it on the line and finding out first hand.

Agreed there are two arguments but only one is backed by law.
Im well within my rights to ride a scooter and those around me should give me the space im permitted under those laws.

The other side of the argument is unfounded as there is absolutely no excuse that will stand up in court as to why their time and feelings are more important thsn my safety.

Should i be able to safely ride a scooter to work, yes, can i, no.

[NTF6]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

Bent 8 good decision, I've had mates get felled on bikes and scooters just going to work, they then have sold scooter and got a small car.

It seems to follow economic booms? I saw the mining boom in WA and people took leave of their senses, 20km/h over limits, four cars through on red arrows, that kind of thing. Medal of honour went to an old fellow driving the dual carriageway between Mandurah and Rockingham in the wrong set of lanes.

Boom times in Vic at present, it's common to have dual cab up tail if keeping to limit (I know, the guys are flat stick), multiple cars going through after traffic light. Roadworks are everywhere, trucks hauling dirt or building supplies everywhere. Multiple new traffic lights. Economy goes boom and everyone scurries in ant mode. Victorian medal of honour has gone to Text Girl spotted in Melbourne (head pointed down to phone at all times in stop-start inner city traffic), and to Text Mum doing same with baby in baby seat looking out helplessly in my direction. It can't be a Darwin Award if your offspring survive...

Went back to Perth this year and lo and behold, parts of the driving now seemed more mellow. Amazing what a good bust can do to people.

Other thing I remember from driving Echo in old mining boom was it was small, and Landcruisers would not see you were there, and just turn into your lane - so still, take care!

Dickheads don't need an economic boom to drive like a ****wit!!

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

Obviously you endorse motorists sitting up bike riders ***!!!


If not stop generalising bike riders as there are just as many moron car drivers who intimidate other road users.



Cheers

Well to have 3 do it to you in one 30 km drive is pretty damning isn't it.



Maybe its time all these heros realized they aren't invisible and slowed the f*&# down. Don't see too many abiding by the law that's for sure.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by GCRXR6

…. or someone whose car is in limp mode, or 80klm/h spare wheel, or conserving fuel to reach the next servo....we could go on Bent 8, but some people can't get over this idea that everyone must drive at the limit.

Speed limit is the minimum speed you should be traveling - or GTFO my way

If you want to do under the speed limit then get out of the way of faster moving traffic - or you can continue holding everyone else up, I'm not the inconsiderate one here.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

You sound like one of the many impatient drivers who is always in a hurry, maybe you should have an IQ test.


Cheers.

What like all the motorcycle riders who weave and cut in and out of traffic and speed.
Sadly the death toll does not work in their favour. IQ you say?

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

If you want to do under the speed limit then get out of the way of faster moving traffic - or you can continue holding everyone else up,

Please do tell, where would getting out of the way be on a single laned, 60km/hr posted road with nature strip divider on one side and parking spaces seperated by garden beds every 50m on the other?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Please do tell, where would getting out of the way be on a single laned, 60km/hr posted road with nature strip divider on one side and parking spaces seperated by garden beds every 50m on the other?

Making excuses already I see - thats OK maybe its not the other road users who are the problem, the guy with the illegally modified scooter going slow is?

Pull in behind the parking spots and let people pass?

[Interceptor]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Please do tell, where would getting out of the way be on a single laned, 60km/hr posted road with nature strip divider on one side and parking spaces seperated by garden beds every 50m on the other?

Your driveway at home?

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Making excuses already I see - thats OK maybe its not the other road users who are the problem, the guy with the illegally modified scooter going slow is?

Pull in behind the parking spots and let people pass?

And you know for sure i was going too slow, or are you just basing that off of the rants of fellow like minded people.
Yes the scooter is illegally modified, to avoid holding people up.

So what you're suggesting is that next time im travelling interstate and i come up behind a truck doing 10-20k under the limit on a single laned road with traffic coming the other way, he should pull off the road and have to start from scratch again so as to avoid holding me up.
All the while hoping no one is 500m behind me because he'll be pulling over again to let them through..rinse, repeat.

Like me thinking riding a scooter in light traffic for less than 10 minutes wouldn't be too much to ask, You didnt think that through very well did you?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

And you know for sure i was going too slow, or are you just basing that off of the rants of fellow like minded people.
Yes the scooter is illegally modified, to avoid holding people up.

So what you're suggesting is that next time im travelling interstate and i come up behind a truck doing 10-20k under the limit on a single laned road with traffic coming the other way, he should pull off the road and have to start from scratch again so as to avoid holding me up.
All the while hoping no one is 500m behind me because he'll be pulling over again to let them through..rinse, repeat.

Like me thinking riding a scooter in light traffic for less than 10 minutes wouldn't be too much to ask, You didnt think that through very well did you?

No - I just don't care about your opinion, nor your family or even you as a human being and at the end of the day when you and your scooter goes under someone wheels you can be as in the right under the eyes of the law as much as you want.

But you'll still be dead - so common sense says you should take that into consideration, go around tempting fate as much as you want on your little scooter but I'm not the one whose gonna have to pay the bills when the breadwinner is gone.

You'll just be another number in a statistic I don't care about that's used for justifying revenue raising purposes.

If you think people outside of your decedents and significant other care about you and your safety then you should think again because you're just one of 7 billion humans on this planet - so keep that in the back of your mind next time you're out inconveniencing everyone else because its no skin off my nose if you appear in some numbers on a news article.

There is only 24 hours in a day and I don't have 10 minutes to lose.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

No - I just don't care about your opinion, nor your family or even you as a human being and at the end of the day when you and your scooter goes under someone wheels you can be as in the right under the eyes of the law as much as you want.

But you'll still be dead - so common sense says you should take that into consideration, go around tempting fate as much as you want on your little scooter but I'm not the one whose gonna have to pay the bills when the breadwinner is gone.

You'll just be another number in a statistic I don't care about that's used for justifying revenue raising purposes.

If you think people outside of your decedents and significant other care about you and your safety then you should think again because you're just one of 7 billion humans on this planet - so keep that in the back of your mind next time you're out inconveniencing everyone else because its no skin off my nose if you appear in some numbers on a news article.

There is only 24 hours in a day and I don't have 10 minutes to lose.

All class.

[prydey]

What I find is that most people that don't have time to lose, end up next to you at the next set of lights.

[olds]

I have only read the first post. I know I will cop a flogging for my post .People who take the risk of riding pedal bikes/motor bikes on the road are DUMB ! Because they are intelligent people who know the risks but ignorantly want to exercise their rights. Yes they have just as much right to use the road as motorists .They are also aware of the statistics of serious injury to cyclists/motor bike riders and yet still take the risk . THAT IS DUMB ! because you know the risk and still choose to do it.

[Tassie f100]

Really if opinionated people like Franco Cozzo are so concerned about being slowed down for couple of minutes on their trip maybe leave few minutes earlier so they don,t have to tailgate slower vehicle. At the end of the trip whether you are 5 metres or 20 metres behind you will still get there at about the same time,give or take a second or two

[prydey]

Originally Posted by olds

I have only read the first post. I know I will cop a flogging for my post .People who take the risk of riding pedal bikes/motor bikes on the road are DUMB ! Because they are intelligent people who know the risks but ignorantly want to exercise their rights. Yes they have just as much right to use the road as motorists .They are also aware of the statistics of serious injury to cyclists/motor bike riders and yet still take the risk . THAT IS DUMB ! because you know the risk and still choose to do it.

Are you admitting that you are unable to competently control a motor vehicle?

That's what I'm hearing.

Victim blaming. If my wife just did as she was told, I wouldn't have to hit her.

The motorist catch cry, 'get orf my road'.

[pottery beige]

shirley one could buy a cheap 4cyl run around instead of annoying everyone on their scooter??

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by prydey

Are you admitting that you are unable to competently control a motor vehicle?

That's what I'm hearing.

Victim blaming. If my wife just did as she was told, I wouldn't have to hit her.

The motorist catch cry, 'get orf my road'.

Seems people find driving difficult.

[Bill M]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

And you know for sure i was going too slow, or are you just basing that off of the rants of fellow like minded people.
Yes the scooter is illegally modified, to avoid holding people up.

So what you're suggesting is that next time im travelling interstate and i come up behind a truck doing 10-20k under the limit on a single laned road with traffic coming the other way, he should pull off the road and have to start from scratch again so as to avoid holding me up.
All the while hoping no one is 500m behind me because he'll be pulling over again to let them through..rinse, repeat.

Like me thinking riding a scooter in light traffic for less than 10 minutes wouldn't be too much to ask, You didnt think that through very well did you?

I don't know whether your original question "WTF is wrong with people" has been answered but some of the responses here give me a good idea why driving is such a chore now either on 2 wheels or 4.

[FPV0002]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

No - I just don't care about your opinion, nor your family or even you as a human being and at the end of the day when you and your scooter goes under someone wheels you can be as in the right under the eyes of the law as much as you want.

But you'll still be dead - so common sense says you should take that into consideration, go around tempting fate as much as you want on your little scooter but I'm not the one whose gonna have to pay the bills when the breadwinner is gone.

You'll just be another number in a statistic I don't care about that's used for justifying revenue raising purposes.

If you think people outside of your decedents and significant other care about you and your safety then you should think again because you're just one of 7 billion humans on this planet - so keep that in the back of your mind next time you're out inconveniencing everyone else because its no skin off my nose if you appear in some numbers on a news article.

There is only 24 hours in a day and I don't have 10 minutes to lose.

^^^^
To answer the original question, this attitude is what is wrong with people and why you feel the way you do riding on the road...

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

No - I just don't care about your opinion, nor your family or even you as a human being and at the end of the day when you and your scooter goes under someone wheels you can be as in the right under the eyes of the law as much as you want.

But you'll still be dead - so common sense says you should take that into consideration, go around tempting fate as much as you want on your little scooter but I'm not the one whose gonna have to pay the bills when the breadwinner is gone.

You'll just be another number in a statistic I don't care about that's used for justifying revenue raising purposes.

If you think people outside of your decedents and significant other care about you and your safety then you should think again because you're just one of 7 billion humans on this planet - so keep that in the back of your mind next time you're out inconveniencing everyone else because its no skin off my nose if you appear in some numbers on a news article.

There is only 24 hours in a day and I don't have 10 minutes to lose.

Spoken like a knob, if it was one of your family would you still say the same?


Enough said!

[asagaai]

Originally Posted by olds

I have only read the first post. I know I will cop a flogging for my post .People who take the risk of riding pedal bikes/motor bikes on the road are DUMB ! Because they are intelligent people who know the risks but ignorantly want to exercise their rights. Yes they have just as much right to use the road as motorists .They are also aware of the statistics of serious injury to cyclists/motor bike riders and yet still take the risk . THAT IS DUMB ! because you know the risk and still choose to do it.

Your post is simplistic in the extreme.

I ride a bicycle for cardiovascular fitness. I cannot run as I broke my kneecap as a boy holding a motorbike while on a pushbike going 60 km for a weekend fishing trip with a big backpack on my back. That was dumb.

But now, sedentary job, and 53, I need cardiovascular exercise and a bit more rigorous than swimming gives me. So cycling. Not dumb- my heart and health demand I get off the seat/couch and as I cannot run-this is a wise choice for me in my situation now.

But I am aware of the dangers, try to pick safe cycle routes and roads with wide verges and low trafficked and try to ride not in peak times. I light myself up like a Christmas tree.

I am also aware that humans can have good days and bad days with mind clarity and fogginess etc (speaking from my experience here) -and stuff going on in their lives.

So in addition to dicks that are full of **** and puss and unload at cyclists as they pass by there are good people who may be having a bad day behind the wheel who may do something a bit unthinking.

If I see a lady with a pram on a side of road, kids, drunks, they are vulnerable and I slow right down. Same as a cyclist, give a wide berth.

But yes- I agree cycling is hazardous, but very good for your health if you stay upright-what to do....sit on couch, get diabetes, and then start getting ulcers etc

Perhaps we should all try being a bit more tolerant -and that includes me as well.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

Spoken like a knob, if it was one of your family would you still say the same?


Enough said!

My family have the smarts not to be holding up everyone by riding a scooter around like its their god given right to be a pain in the ***

Welcome to the real world bud, as evidenced by OP treatment on the road.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

My family have the smarts

you must be adopted then?

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

My family have the smarts not to be holding up everyone by riding a scooter around like its their god given right to be a pain in the ***

Welcome to the real world bud, as evidenced by OP treatment on the road.

Please provide the evidence that supports your assumption that i was holding anyone up.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

My family have the smarts not to be holding up everyone by riding a scooter around like its their god given right to be a pain in the ***

Welcome to the real world bud, as evidenced by OP treatment on the road.

I truly hope for your sake you never experience road trauma to yourself or family from someone being an *** on our roads, your comments just might haunt you.
I've been there!

[nuthin' fancy]

Victoria Police and Vicroads have a stated aim of a '0' road toll.

I'll know they are serious when they take two wheeled vehicles off the road.

Excellent safety measures for cars will slice and dice two wheeled riders in a nanosecond.

4% of the road users comprise 15% of the road toll.

Most riders are sensible but in danger.

The other few lane split at speed, believe their right to be on the road is a protective cloak, think a t-shirt and shorts is OK just coz it is hot and a small % just manufacture and distribute drugs.

Not happy on two wheels? Park it and drive a car.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by nuthin' fancy

Not happy on two wheels? Park it and drive a car.

Umm...I'll let you in on a

I did