Best bang for your bucks small car under 25 grand poll

[mowog]

Originally Posted by Pieoter

Good to see you engineering knowledge told you about the other advantages of having a close ratio box. And you seem to have forgotten about the sport suspension. And not a mention about the brakes. I only mentioned the ST to show that even discs fade.

Also good to see you think that 0-100time is the only factor to consider about cars.

Nice selective reading tool.

Now I see... This all started when a Fiesta was faster than a Corolla Sportivo

Which has...

Sports Suspension
A close "Ratio" 6 Speed Gearbox
Oh and 4 wheel discs...
Not to mention more power than the base Corolla...
And a number of features not available in the base Corolla...

Oh and Much Quicker than a Fiesta...

Now that I am spliting hairs over acceleration times I am the bad guy...

0.3 of second... Thats reaction time, 9 times out of 10 a Zetec and an LX would be equal except the LX owner has more money in the bank... :MrT_anim:

I think a close ratio box is wasted in the Fiesta they should have put the dollars into.... You guessed it 4 wheel discs... :thebirds:

"Tool"...

Now I have yet insult anyone in this thread... You are out of line...

[Pieoter]

Compare the price between a new corolla sportivo and a Fiesta. Rather large difference isn't it? Also you don't have to rev the shite outa the fiesta to move. Your still forgetting the other advantages of having a close ratio box. Why do you seem to think acceleration only comes from a standing start. In not gonna tell you becuase thats too easy.

Why do you insist so heavily in having disc brakes when the fiesta does more than just fine without them?

The ST suspension (On the WQ zetec) on a fiesta makes it one of the best handling cars in the world on par with the clio sport.

[#Russ#Es#]

Interesting reading guys...

Mowog - All of those added features you mention for the Sportivo are great!! Just one problem...its a Toyota

On a serious note, this thread/poll would be an interesting one in 3-5 years time...new model Corolla, update of Fiesta/Focus, Swift GTi?, Tiida replacement (surely!!), new model Golf (which VW are trying to make economical to build), new Polo?

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by mowog

"Tool"...

Now I have yet insult anyone in this thread... You are out of line...

You have yet to insult anyone? Re-read some of your old posts.

[eb91xr6]

the colts go hard but they need some handeling issues fixed, springs shokers wide tyres swaybars 16inch mags and you will have a fun car even with a stock motor,

[MITCHAY]

Well a guy who comes into my work who has a Porsche Carrera also has a Honda Jazz so that's got to say something. I reckon they are not to bad looking cars, plus Honda are know for reliability. But then again Honda are also very expensive re spare parts.

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Well a guy who comes into my work who has a Porsche Carrera also has a Honda Jazz so that's got to say something. I reckon they are not to bad looking cars, plus Honda are know for reliability. But then again Honda are also very expensive re spare parts.

My best mate's dad test drove a Honda Jazz in '04 before they eventually bought a Renault Clio 1.6, I was with them, at the time he said it was the worst car ever he's even driven (in over 40 years of driving in Australia and Europe). I was in the car with them, it was an absolute POS. The back seat sucks, the ride is crap, it was slow, it sounded harsh, felt cheap, looked cheap... etc.

As for Honda reliability, well, overrated comes to mind.

[MITCHAY]

Well I've never had any experience myself. Just that I thought noting someone who has a Porsche and Honda Jazz was worth noting. I am however accustomed to harsh ride and I absolutely love it to death

[mowog]

Originally Posted by Steffo

You have yet to insult anyone? Re-read some of your old posts.

I have not ever made it personal by calling someone a tool...

If you are insulted about the negative comments about your car then I would suggest that at some level you think my doubts about the Fiesta have some truth in them...

[mowog]

Originally Posted by #Russ#Es#

Interesting reading guys...

Mowog - All of those added features you mention for the Sportivo are great!! Just one problem...its a Toyota

On a serious note, this thread/poll would be an interesting one in 3-5 years time...new model Corolla, update of Fiesta/Focus, Swift GTi?, Tiida replacement (surely!!), new model Golf (which VW are trying to make economical to build), new Polo?

You know when I was looking for a replacement car I never even considered a Corolla it was after all a Toyota white goods on wheels boring stuff...

I saw a Sportivo in a dealer and thought what the hell take it for a drive...
It is the most unlike any other Toyota I have driven...

Many of the things that people think are a negative of this car because of arm chair road testers are actually what make it a good car (not great)

The need to rev it to make it go... This 1 is always brought up this engine unlike 99% of production engines is designed to rev to the redline and it does it in a way that just begs it to be driven like its stolen..

Yup each year brings graet new cars that why I am ready to move on and sell the Corolla.

[I Wish]

Wife and i test drove a few Veedubs yesterday.

The diesels are very very deceiving. They feel slow but in reality are quite quickly.

We found that the 1.9TDi polo was too noisy and the base model 1.9TDi Trendline was the pick of the bunch (apart from the Polo GTi).

6 speed /boz and engine was a very nice drive. Torque was unbelievable and accellerating up a few hills in 5th and 6 th was amazing.

[#Russ#Es#]

Originally Posted by mowog

You know when I was looking for a replacement car I never even considered a Corolla it was after all a Toyota white goods on wheels boring stuff...

I saw a Sportivo in a dealer and thought what the hell take it for a drive...
It is the most unlike any other Toyota I have driven...

Many of the things that people think are a negative of this car because of arm chair road testers are actually what make it a good car (not great)

The need to rev it to make it go... This 1 is always brought up this engine unlike 99% of production engines is designed to rev to the redline and it does it in a way that just begs it to be driven like its stolen..

Yup each year brings graet new cars that why I am ready to move on and sell the Corolla.

As can be seen in the poll, everyone values certain qualities in cars differently...probably says alot about the Fiesta Vs Sportivo debate.

Forgot to add the updated Renault Clio, that may make things interesting if Renault Aust. get things right (ie marketing).

[Smoke Pursuit]

Good to see the focus is at the top, shame about its poor south african build quality and finish.

[#Russ#Es#]

Originally Posted by LSTerritoryGhia

Good to see the focus is at the top, shame about its poor south african build quality and finish.

How is the build quality bad? The South African Focus is lineball for build quality with the Oz Falcon/Tez/etc.

The Golf is built in SA, but you don't hear people complaining about the poor South African build quality...(although quality has dropped a little from the Mk4 Golf...but not enough for it to be deemed a poorly built car).

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by mowog

I have not ever made it personal by calling someone a tool...

If you are insulted about the negative comments about your car then I would suggest that at some level you think my doubts about the Fiesta have some truth in them...

Ok, I'll show you where you effectively called me a ****er.

Originally Posted by mowog

I let plenty of wnakers beat me, just not worth the effort in many cases.

A Fiesta Zetec cant even keep up with a Barina SRi...

That's what got me to participate in the argument in the first place. Call someone a ****er, directly or indirectly, and expect retaliation. Otherwise, what you think of my car doesn't concern me in the slightest.

[mowog]

Originally Posted by Steffo

Ok, I'll show you where you effectively called me a ****er.



That's what got me to participate in the argument in the first place. Call someone a ****er, directly or indirectly, and expect retaliation. Otherwise, what you think of my car doesn't concern me in the slightest.

wnaker was a generalisation not a directed comment...

But if the shoe fits...

It would seem you do care what I think about your shopping car otherwise you would have ignored the whole thread...

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by mowog

wnaker was a generalisation not a directed comment...

But if the shoe fits...

It would seem you do care what I think about your shopping car otherwise you would have ignored the whole thread...

My above post is the only reason I continued with anything at all in this thread.

As for what you think of my car, I couldn't care less. Its a German car, which in my eyes makes it superior to anything that Japan/Korea/Malaysia etc etc can ever produce.

[mowog]

Originally Posted by #Russ#Es#

As can be seen in the poll, everyone values certain qualities in cars differently...probably says alot about the Fiesta Vs Sportivo debate.

Forgot to add the updated Renault Clio, that may make things interesting if Renault Aust. get things right (ie marketing).

No other make was ever going to get a fair hearing on a Ford forum thats to be expected...

As for the Fiesta vs the Sportivo.... Well thats just been sport :hihi:

I have had some fun with it but it would seem the shopping car owners are getting tense and defensive about the true sporting nature of their car(s).

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by #Russ#Es#

How is the build quality bad? The South African Focus is lineball for build quality with the Oz Falcon/Tez/etc.

The Golf is built in SA, but you don't hear people complaining about the poor South African build quality...(although quality has dropped a little from the Mk4 Golf...but not enough for it to be deemed a poorly built car).

We own an LS and i went to buy another a few weeks back for one of my friends.

Paint and finish is a disgrace, ours you can see all kinds of blemishes around the paint and the dealer I do a few purchases through commented on how **** poor they actually are.

You then have all the other issues with them not start etc, Ford cant even get ours to steer straight.

[mowog]

Originally Posted by Steffo

My above post is the only reason I continued with anything at all in this thread.

As for what you think of my car, I couldn't care less. Its a German car, which in my eyes makes it superior to anything that Japan/Korea/Malaysia etc etc can ever produce.

Superior...? How you need to expalain that one...

In its price range it might be a good buy which is why I took one for a test drive when I was looking for a small car. It was too small under powered and not that good to drive.

[#Russ#Es#]

Originally Posted by LSTerritoryGhia

We own an LS and i went to buy another a few weeks back for one of my friends.

Paint and finish is a disgrace, ours you can see all kinds of blemishes around the paint and the dealer I do a few purchases through commented on how **** poor they actually are.

You then have all the other issues with them not start etc, Ford cant even get ours to steer straight.

One or two cars doesn't make them all bad.

Is yours an early build? They were a bit patchy I believe...they offer good quality for the money. Maybe yours was built on a Friday

[mowog]

Originally Posted by #Russ#Es#

How is the build quality bad? The South African Focus is lineball for build quality with the Oz Falcon/Tez/etc.

The Golf is built in SA, but you don't hear people complaining about the poor South African build quality...(although quality has dropped a little from the Mk4 Golf...but not enough for it to be deemed a poorly built car).

This same comment comes up with the Corolla because the Sportivo is an SA built car as well. I would have to say that the paint and trim fit and finish is better on the Corolla than it is on my Territory. That said I am mostly happy with the finish of the Territory and I can live with it because its such a great thing to drive. :eclipsee_

[#Russ#Es#]

Originally Posted by mowog

No other make was ever going to get a fair hearing on a Ford forum thats to be expected...

As for the Fiesta vs the Sportivo.... Well thats just been sport :hihi:

I have had some fun with it but it would seem the shopping car owners are getting tense and defensive about the true sporting nature of their car(s).

For sure, but I think there's alot of people here that are open minded enough to recognise that there are ALOT of small cars out on the market that offer good BFYB for less than $25000.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by #Russ#Es#

One or two cars doesn't make them all bad.

Is yours an early build? They were a bit patchy I believe...they offer good quality for the money. Maybe yours was built on a Friday

No, 90% of them i looked at last week had paint defects where there were runs in the paint or just rough panel beating around the edges.

[#Russ#Es#]

Thats no good. Oh well, doesn't really bother me, mine is great so I can't complain.

As for my vote, I'm sticking with the Fiesta atm. Best BFYB under $25000. If the price range was under $28000, things would be even more interesting.

[mowog]

My vote would be the Suzuki Swift Sport.

It is a different car to the base model swift with more power and equipment to backup the Sport tag. Its still a shopping car but at least it has subtance to backup the Sport tag...

[70caprigt3k]

Polo TDi for me, gota love the diesels.

[jonbays]

you should think about the Renault Clio sport. its a small car but reminded me of racing minis from the 70's fast fast fast you can be as brave as you like in cornering. i was impressed.

just too small and not luxobarge enough for me in my old age but a great car better than the Peugots on the list

[SSBUB]

i picked the holden astra - the latest model astras are very nice to drive.

[Boss 290]

Originally Posted by #Russ#Es#

Thats no good. Oh well, doesn't really bother me, mine is great so I can't complain.

As for my vote, I'm sticking with the Fiesta atm. Best BFYB under $25000. If the price range was under $28000, things would be even more interesting.

a ford salesman said the focus was voted number 1 small-medium car under 28 grand by the nrma....for people saying the build quality is poor on the focus or fiesta may not have seen many....i just went on saturday to buy a focus for my uncle and every focus we looked at has great finish...the up graded focus steering wheel feels so good. the dash was a nice soft feeling similar to the gt. yeh there is plastic arm rest and so on but it still looks good and matched perfect with the rest of the interior...we couldnt find any squeaky bits and the seats looks really classy and the cloth trim is very rugged and seems to be able to hand everyday life...the ride was excellent, it was very smoth (the automatic makes it feel a little smoother then my manual gt) the suspension was great...brakes are strong for the little car...it was roomy. engine was torquey and their was no loud road noise...the only negetive is that i dont like hub caps and you have to get the smooth pack for the cl...but with that comes the great steering wheels, electric mirrors,alloy wheels and cruise control...it would be nice if the tyres were low profile and an inch bigger...but i suppose thats why you get the lx and zetec