Ford commits to V8 Future - Page 4

burnz · 15-09-2009, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by HSE2

Huh?

What have you been reading?

double post

burnz · 15-09-2009, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by HSE2

Huh?

What have you been reading?

search coyote in aff and refresh you memory..

just a general obsevation.

HSE2 · 15-09-2009, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by burnz

search coyote in aff and refresh you memory..

just a general obsevation.

Oh I don’t think I need to search anything on this subject thanks all the same. Seeing as the current Boss isn't really regarded that highly on this site it would be a pretty handy achievement to go backwards.

All most people have tried to point out that the new V8 will /should address many of the current criticisms levelled at the Boss. That is not putting it on a pedestal but rather pointing out realities such as all alloy v cast iron. Those people are trying to be balanced in saying have a look at the entire package and have a read of where engine development is heading. Being aligned with those standards on a global scale, just as the new 4 cylinder will be, isn't pedestal standing stuff. It said of faith and hope, not an iron clad guarantee.

That may come later if it performs. We have been down this road too many times. Even if it was claimed to have 500kws people will still wait to see how it goes in the jungle.

We had to get there first. Announcements such as these are the starting point to an 8 month wait. Nothing more nothing less.
It’s a beginning, not an end.

burnz · 15-09-2009, 07:54 PM

well said.
i just hope if it come's with 260-280kw (the XR8) ppl wont be dissapointed.
remember it's only 5.0lt, holden/ford got 185kw from the same in au/vt era.

it may do better maybe less. than 260kw

Falc'man · 15-09-2009, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by burnz

well said.
i just hope if it come's with 260-280kw (the XR8) ppl wont be dissapointed.
remember it's only 5.0lt, holden/ford got 185kw from the same in au/vt era.

it may do better maybe less. than 260kw

I suggest you do a search on Coyote, and then you may stumble across the exact power output (to within +/-3kW) of the n/a Coyote.

4Vman · 15-09-2009, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by burnz

well said.
i just hope if it come's with 260-280kw (the XR8) ppl wont be dissapointed.
remember it's only 5.0lt, holden/ford got 185kw from the same in au/vt era.

it may do better maybe less. than 260kw

Yes but you're thinking of things done the GM way, at Ford we dont have to make do with pushrod technology and more cubic inches to get extra KW's... we use technology!!!
Think 300kw, N/A for the XR8 from 5.0l...

GT69 · 15-09-2009, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Yes but you're thinking of things done the GM way, at Ford we dont have to make do with pushrod technology and more cubic inches to get extra KW's... we use technology!!!
Think 300kw, N/A for the XR8 from 5.0l...

Thats inpossible Norm, Surely you would need atleast 5.6litre capacity for that!

Personally I cant wait for the 7.8litre 330kw masterpiece from GM....errr i mean GMH

All in all, this is fantastic news, I believe the 8 will always have a market.

4Vman · 15-09-2009, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Falc'man

Here is another one of GT69 posts, relating to this.

http://www.fordforums.com.au/newrepl...eply&p=2792371

Unfortunately his words are very true.

That does make allot of sense... backing the XR6T, even proclaiming it car of the century will have little if any effect on SS sales, as long as they say the SS is better than the XR8 they've had a win with both car companies.. the problem is the XR8 looses out for the wrong reasons, and Holden gain the most...

burnz · 15-09-2009, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Yes but you're thinking of things done the GM way, at Ford we dont have to make do with pushrod technology and more cubic inches to get extra KW's... we use technology!!!
Think 300kw, N/A for the XR8 from 5.0l...

relevance: 300kw, will they (AFF) still be dissapointed???
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technology: OHC 4 valve (around 100 years old) modern??
VVT: around 60 years, modern??
DI: think diesel, at least 80 years old

the only thing modern is computers, oh wait how old are they.

4Vman · 15-09-2009, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by burnz

relevance: 300kw, will they (AFF) still be dissapointed???
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technology: OHC 4 valve (around 100 years old) modern??
VVT: around 60 years, modern??
DI: think diesel, at least 80 years old

the only thing modern is computers, oh wait how old are they.

Why would they? its 10kw more than we have now, and probably 40kw more than the AFM 6.0l.
How many KW/L of displacement do GM get from their regular production engines? AFM 6.0l? 43KW/L??? current Boss 290 54KW/L, Coyote probably 60KW/L...... N/A.
That's world class.
Were talking about engine "efficiency" from technology here...

burnz · 15-09-2009, 10:12 PM

ha ha the most efficient motor is a diesel'
a single cam, 16 pushrods, 4 valve!
why spin 4 cam's when you can spin one.
same effect less loss.

**ebxr8240** · 15-09-2009, 10:13 PM

I just hope our next V8 isn't a converted truck engine...

landau460 · 15-09-2009, 10:15 PM

But the more cubes the less it has to work stroke the small block or build a falcon around a big block yummy.

Falc'man · 15-09-2009, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ebxr8240

I just hope our next V8 isn't a converted truck engine...

Far from it.

It's lighter than the 4.6 it replaces in the stang, and will pack as much punch as the Jaguar's n/a 5 litre, but that's without direct injection.

In the U.S. it'll have 365hp/~515Nm for the F150. The Mustang's motor will have a few hardware changes (not just a different tune), 400hp/~490Nm.

What the locals at Ford decide to have for the *entry level* XR8 is somewhere between there, but driveability and tractability being the aim... Remember, the Boss 290 has 388hp.

And what FPV decide to have comes down to what size pulley they want to drive the blower with.

In 2011/12 there'll be something with even more power, for a special edition like the "Boss Mustang". Also n/a. Add another fifty hp. Minimum!

Falc'man · 15-09-2009, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

That does make allot of sense... backing the XR6T, even proclaiming it car of the century will have little if any effect on SS sales, as long as they say the SS is better than the XR8 they've had a win with both car companies.. the problem is the XR8 looses out for the wrong reasons, and Holden gain the most...

That is most certainly the case.

"Never Let the Facts Get in the Way of a Good Story".

phillyc · 15-09-2009, 11:00 PM

I hope your not giving away too much Falc'man?!

King Nothing · 15-09-2009, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Falc'man

What the locals at Ford decide to have for the *entry level* XR8 is somewhere between there, but driveability and tractability being the aim... Remember, the Boss 290 has 388hp.

...

In 2011/12 there'll be something with even more power, for a special edition like the "Boss Mustang". Also n/a. Add another fifty hp. Minimum!

Are you implying that there will be different specifications of XR8? Or just that the XR8 will continue to be the entry level V8, stepping into FPV beyond it? Special model FPV or Ford?

Falc'man · 15-09-2009, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by phillyc

I hope your not giving away too much Falc'man?!

It's old news. Mentioned a few times over, on here and elsewhere.

Falc'man · 15-09-2009, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by King Nothing

Are you implying that there will be different specifications of XR8? Or just that the XR8 will continue to be the entry level V8, stepping into FPV beyond it? Special model FPV or Ford?

One spec for XR8. FPV, according to what's been put out there, will have a lot more thanks to f/i.

The 2011/2012 "Boss Mustang" (5L RR) comment was supposed to demonstrate that a) 400hp isn't the maximum in n/a, and b) they will release it.
Whether or not the locals will use it in 2012...

chevypower · 16-09-2009, 03:14 AM

With the Camaro having 425HP... I sure hope Ford is going to come to the party, and join the race!

Falc'man · 16-09-2009, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by King Nothing

Are you implying that there will be different specifications of XR8? Or just that the XR8 will continue to be the entry level V8, stepping into FPV beyond it? Special model FPV or Ford?

Sorry, I misunderstood where you were coming from; my post that which you quoted has where I said *entry level*, I was referring to the XR8's motor being the entry level V8. In simple terms I was trying to illustrate that the entry level Coyote will have at least that much power. Sorry for the confusion.

Falc'man · 16-09-2009, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by chevypower

With the Camaro having 425HP... I sure hope Ford is going to come to the party, and join the race!

Do you think the Camaro will stand a chance when the (much) lighter Stang gets 400hp?

chevypower · 16-09-2009, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Falc'man

Do you think the Camaro will stand a chance when the (much) lighter Stang gets 400hp?

hell no! With better handling from the Stang too!!!

HSE2 · 16-09-2009, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by phillyc

I hope your not giving away too much Falc'man?!

There are currently two schools of thought as to what form our new V8 will take.

It could be a direct crate import or it could be a locally assembled version based on same.

Either way for the sake of convenience each party is still referring to both options as “coyote”
Our version appears to have three states of tune not dissimilar to the original Boss have a higher state of tune that was rejected for production.

**ebxr8240** · 16-09-2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Falc'man

Far from it.

It's lighter than the 4.6 it replaces in the stang, and will pack as much punch as the Jaguar's n/a 5 litre, but that's without direct injection.

In the U.S. it'll have 365hp/~515Nm for the F150. The Mustang's motor will have a few hardware changes (not just a different tune), 400hp/~490Nm.

What the locals at Ford decide to have for the *entry level* XR8 is somewhere between there, but driveability and tractability being the aim... Remember, the Boss 290 has 388hp.

And what FPV decide to have comes down to what size pulley they want to drive the blower with.

In 2011/12 there'll be something with even more power, for a special edition like the "Boss Mustang". Also n/a. Add another fifty hp. Minimum!

GOOD .. Keeping the weight down on modern engines / vehicles is as important as emissions.. It goes together, especially with performance in mind.. I would like to see a fully optioned family car well under 1500kg...

4Vman · 16-09-2009, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ebxr8240

GOOD .. Keeping the weight down on modern engines / vehicles is as important as emissions.. It goes together, especially with performance in mind.. I would like to see a fully optioned family car well under 1500kg...

While i agree with the "sentiment" given the ever increasing need for safety and structural integrity and consumer demand for features i cant see car weights dropping, in fact i can see them climbing...

**Polyal** · 16-09-2009, 10:21 AM

Well its only putting the line up where it should have been, so about time most would say. With the enviro goons etc having more of a say these days its going to be interesting.

Having both V8 and I6 world class engines in the falcon can only be a good thing, more options for consumers, more power for those who want it and an I4T for people who are really worried about consumption etc etc.

If ford cant take leadership in sales in 4-5 years there is something very wrong.

Mansal · 16-09-2009, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Elks

Model range has a lot to do with it, as does options. There is no G8E only G6ET . I am a V8 guy and would buy a G8E over a G6ET any day. That said if I had to buy today I would be happy with a G6ET which is a very good car by any measure.
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For my $$ I'd would not buy an XR8, I'd pay the extra for a GT and it's keeper status.

Totally agree with you here - the only V8 option in the FG is the XR8, the absence of a G8E 'sleeper' is prohibiting my choice as a buyer - which, to their credit - Holden do correctly by offering the V8 across the entire range.

If I can have the G8E without the hideous bonnet bulge (and the LSD of course!) I'd be a happy camper.

4Vman · 16-09-2009, 10:25 AM

When Ford offered every permutation and combination with the V8 nobody bought them, i don't think its lack of range that's hurt V8 sales...

Windsor220 · 16-09-2009, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mansal

Holden do correctly by offering the V8 across the entire range.

Holden dont offer the V8 in the Omega. Only SS,SSV and Calais. So Ford is only missing out on the G8E.