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17-06-2012, 08:10 AM | #91 | |||
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17-06-2012, 08:11 AM | #92 | |||
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It is inattention and fatigue that causes 90% of accidents on the road. Don't try and paint the picture that hooning is responsible for a bigger number of incidents than it actually is.
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17-06-2012, 08:19 AM | #93 | ||
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hoon laws are an *** and way too broad and open..
pouring sixty litres of diesel on the road so you can drop hektik driftys with your girlfriends.... is not the same as... me getting up on the convertor.. and being a little noisy.. try explaining engine revvings does not = wheelspinnings to policemans.... |
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17-06-2012, 08:37 AM | #94 | ||
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But officer I swear I hooked it all up on that launch. :p
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17-06-2012, 08:42 AM | #95 | |||
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17-06-2012, 08:45 AM | #96 | |||
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Going back to an old saying "Ban low performance drivers not high performance cars". Speaking very generally here, most but not all of the hoons are low performance drivers. I believe hoons should be educated as well as a fine.
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17-06-2012, 08:52 AM | #97 | |||
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hypocrisy I suspect your view is not the only thing that is dim...... |
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17-06-2012, 09:14 AM | #98 | |||
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the industrial estate stance is null & void....... do you suggest there should be different road rules in certain parts of a suburb? should we just let the 'experienced' drivers do perfectly executed doughnuts and burnouts on roads without harm to anyone, and prosecute the fools who learnt their fishtailing skills via slalom event on gran turismo ps3? how do we distinguish the two people? |
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17-06-2012, 09:19 AM | #99 | |||
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sooooo just because i dont have childrens i may be more inclined to run your childrens over.. i am a heaps better driver than everyone else on the road and my car has been converted to run on baby penguins.... |
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17-06-2012, 09:40 AM | #100 | |||
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I think this reply sums it up best. There is a big difference between a stationary or very slow skid at take off, compared to doing a skid while on the move at speed or drifting around corners. If things get out of conrol at those low speeds, a simple back off the throttle is all it takes. At higher speeds, not always the case and it genuinely does become a danger. I'm happy to see hooning laws for the higher speed instances as just mentioned, but absolutely do not agree with the low speed skid being treated the same way. This is where discretion and logic should come in, but sadly, it's all classed the same by the public and media nowadays. As has already been mentioned, the burden of proof is now on the alleged hoon. This is also ridiculous. Unless a sworn officer witnessed it, or there is evidence on camera, then it should NOT be followed up. It's not hard for the public to lie or make a mistake as to what they saw or thought they saw. These hooning laws need to address these two very big issues before i would ever support them.
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17-06-2012, 10:50 AM | #101 | ||||
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2nd point: I'm not talking about motor vehicle accidents. I'm talking about serious injury or death from motor vehicle accidents. In my personal experience, I have known more people that have been seriously injured or killed from hoon driving as opposed to other motor vehicle accidents. That is my experience and it is on that basis that I form my view with respect to hooning. Quote:
As to the XY, I must admit... it's not actually mine! It currently belongs to my father, but it was originally my grandfathers and has been in the family since 74. It's not a daily drive, it gets out once a month or so... and given its huge sentimental value, it's driven very sedately and carefully. Is it more dangerous on the road relative to newer cars due to lack of safety features? Yes, inherrently so.
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17-06-2012, 01:44 PM | #103 | |||
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17-06-2012, 03:39 PM | #104 | ||
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karj... ive had more mates knock themselves on their heads than hurt themselves in cars......
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17-06-2012, 04:10 PM | #105 | |||
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All that I was trying to say was that when I look at the people I have known over the years involved in motor accidents, the pattern that I have observed is that although they are usually the result of driver inattention, the really serious accidents that result in death or serious injury have been mostly the result of deliberate high speed, kicking the rear out and crashing/flipping (otherwise known as hooning). These accidents have also mostly been young men as well. It's possible that my experiences are atypical, but this is the life I have lived and the conclusions I have drawn from it. Someone who has different life experiences may well draw different conclusions.
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17-06-2012, 04:54 PM | #106 | |||
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Mate you made this statistic up to suit your point of view! Have a look one day at real statistics. Someone also suggested more laws . We have already got too many, as has been mentioned already what we need is education for the morons on the road with us and that includes the ones who reckon hooning is ok! Its been posted on here that hooning causes less accidents than fatigue and bad drivers. So its already admitted that it causes accidents. If you care so much about road safety as a number of you are stating then stop hooning and immediately the accident rate will come down. No arguement hey !!! Then maybe we will be able to do something about the rest because then maybe someone will be prepared to listen.
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17-06-2012, 05:10 PM | #107 | ||
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I admit I did pluck a figure out of the air, in truth I suspect the figure would be more like 60-70% without looking it up, and lets face it, we actually don't know. A lot of people die on our nations highways due to fatigue, but it is a hard thing to measure, especially when everyone in the car is dead, IE no witnesses.
These incidents are put down as speed related, because they have to go into one of the columns on a report and conveniently the car was moving at speed ( regardless of whether the car was speeding or not). It also helps the anti-speeding message that the goverment are trying to brainwash us with if these accidents are recorded as speed related. My point was though, the two causes that I name would be the cause of the majority of accidents. Is that good enough for you? Either way, so what? It was in reply to a post in which a member was trying to infer that most injuries and deaths on the road are a result of hooning, which just isn't true! Why, in your eyes, do I need to be 100% accurate when debating such a wild statement based on one blokes limited experience?
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17-06-2012, 05:15 PM | #108 | ||
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just got home.. back end of GT kicked out on me a few times.. all is good.. safe and well....
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17-06-2012, 05:18 PM | #109 | ||
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Sounds like it should have been impounded, you criminal you!
I did about 160klm today on a highway with not one overtaking lane. I had to break the speed limit to get around all of the slow coaches safely!
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17-06-2012, 05:29 PM | #110 | ||
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I got flashed lst night coming home from the drags doing 105 in a 100 zone, lock me up.
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17-06-2012, 05:32 PM | #111 | ||
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ah the simplicity of it all ignore laws u think unjust so you will eventually get caught to add to satistics to prove why the laws are needed in the furst place kudos to you all sounds just like what a government would want
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17-06-2012, 06:57 PM | #112 | |||
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LOL Baaaaa! You just keep following the herd and let the government tell you what is good for you. Baaaaaa! Meanwhile all of your rights, freedoms and liberties are being stripped. You wont notice though as you are too busy believing that the government actually has your best interests at heart. You gullible little sheep. Baaaa!
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17-06-2012, 07:10 PM | #113 | ||
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