New Gen Ranger Single Cab - Page 4

Bossxr8 · 14-11-2022, 10:09 AM

I love how people always suggest it's so simple. Just take bits from this and put them on that, and it's good to go. Ah no. Everything needs to be tested and complianced. Nothing is ever simple except basic cosmetics like paint treatments, stickers, badges, trim changes etc.

Tassie f100 · 14-11-2022, 10:43 AM

Idont suggest a bit that it is as simple as that,but some companies try to help customers and some seem to make it harder than it should be .Ford is a global company so I would presume that there is a single cab market out there.so with a little bit of effort they could accomodate the Australian market IF they wanted to.

Bossxr8 · 14-11-2022, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Idont suggest a bit that it is as simple as that,but some companies try to help customers and some seem to make it harder than it should be .Ford is a global company so I would presume that there is a single cab market out there.so with a little bit of effort they could accomodate the Australian market IF they wanted to.

With a huge waiting list, cheap base model single cabs just aren't a priority, especially when they only sell in small numbers. It's a numbers game.

Might be a different story when the waiting list drops, but there are other things coming to fill any gaps later on. Much more profitable ones too.

**DFB FGXR6** · 14-11-2022, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I love how people always suggest it's so simple. Just take bits from this and put them on that, and it's good to go. Ah no. Everything needs to be tested and complianced. Nothing is ever simple except basic cosmetics like paint treatments, stickers, badges, trim changes etc.

I realize this might not have been directed at me, but I want to make it clear to readers that I understand the complexity of automotive manufacturing. Having studied the car industry my entire adult life, I know that every little detail that goes into a product must be engineered, tested and validated. Change one of those small details, and the flow on effect ripples through all departments.

I also understand custom orders are just not a Ford thing, and even some of the more flexible manufacturers are moving away from pick and choose type ordering.

I guess what this thread has highlighted is that the basic workhorse of old is no more. As in, a basic no fills workhorse that is designed to work and a price that reflects that. I know now that to replace my current workhorse, like for like, that I'm going to be spending upwards of $50,000, a price that is a little bit hard to reconcile with when I will be getting this thing filthy with grass clippings, mud and dirt. But to get the best vehicle I can for what I need means spending this money, then so be it.

Franco Cozzo · 14-11-2022, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

I guess what this thread has highlighted is that the basic workhorse of old is no more. As in, a basic no fills workhorse that is designed to work and a price that reflects that. I know now that to replace my current workhorse, like for like, that I'm going to be spending upwards of $50,000, a price that is a little bit hard to reconcile with when I will be getting this thing filthy with grass clippings, mud and dirt. But to get the best vehicle I can for what I need means spending this money, then so be it.

Well you know what that means, your costs have gone up, so you pass it onto your customers like everyone else in the world.

Then people start whinging why it costs $750 to mow their lawn

**DFB FGXR6** · 14-11-2022, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Well you know what that means, your costs have gone up, so you pass it onto your customers like everyone else in the world.

Then people start whinging why it costs $750 to mow their lawn

People already complain at paying $50 for their grass to be cut. Although those who do complain end up having to look for someone else to slave over their garden.

Funny how people have a moan about having the grass cut, then why don't they just do it themselves! That's right, they don't want to get of their *** and get filthy dirty, out in the hot sun. Neither do I really, there is a reason why I need to be paid to get dirty, hot and smelly.

CyberWasp · 14-11-2022, 07:51 PM

I am still wondering why in this day and age you can't order your car in any colour you like.
Look at the colour choices they had in the 70's.
As technology has progressed, car colour choices have regressed.

jstanovic · 14-11-2022, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by simon varley

there are many other reasons why pick'n'mix doesn't work

On a serious note what other reasons are show stoppers? (apart from profit/economic/red tape reasons)

In my mind 90%+ of the parts for all models of Ranger (single cab/dual cab) would be usable to make an Australian complianced single cab. Things like safety tech should be able to be re-calibrated, emissions would be similar etc etc.
Surely in the world of car making these issues are relatively minor?
Maybe I'm way off haha

XR Martin · 15-11-2022, 06:30 AM

Aren't most Rangers sold in Thailand single cabs?
Perhaps that's why.

Dr Smith · 15-11-2022, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberWasp

I am still wondering why in this day and age you can't order your car in any colour you like.
Look at the colour choices they had in the 70's.
As technology has progressed, car colour choices have regressed.

I don't get this either. Once a paint is approved for use and passed all durability/finish tests then it should be possible to use it. I'm not talking about infinite colour shade choice, just more than 4 shades of grey, white, black and the odd colour or two. You can order a Transit Custom with what they call SVO paint choice...it's a range greater than any paint chart of all the suppliers in a Bunnings store...

Franco Cozzo · 15-11-2022, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by XR Martin

Aren't most Rangers sold in Thailand single cabs?
Perhaps that's why.

I think it's that Ford is content being the private owner/retail customer king in the market where profit per vehicle sold is higher - they're not interested in trying to take market share off Toyota in that 4x2 single cab segment here in Australia.

I'd be trying to have a crack at them everywhere, there's no reason the Hilux should be as popular as it is, the Ranger has ALWAYS been the superior vehicle from PX onward - basically when it divorced itself from the Mazda B series platform.

If they got picked up by fleets in a 4x2 single cab variation, sure profit per vehicle is lower but they're getting further brand recognition out there.

Maybe they don't want to increase their inventory costs needing to carry a similar amount of replacement parts like what Toyota does - NASA could get common replacement parts for their Hilux and Land Cruiser fleet from the Toyota dealership spares department on Mars.

Bossxr8 · 16-11-2022, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberWasp

I am still wondering why in this day and age you can't order your car in any colour you like.
Look at the colour choices they had in the 70's.
As technology has progressed, car colour choices have regressed.

Might have something to do with the factory paintshop only being able to store a certain number of colours. Plus the robots only have a certain number of nozzles on a rotating spray head for a certain number. Not sure on this.

They used to do heaps more decades ago but they were all sprayed by hand. Not robot.

hayseed · 17-11-2022, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberWasp

I am still wondering why in this day and age you can't order your car in any colour you like.
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For exactly the same reason a Model T only came in one Colour....!!

Bossxr8 · 18-11-2022, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by hayseed

For exactly the same reason a Model T only came in one Colour....!!

Cause black paint dried faster back then. I doubt that's an issue now.

simon varley · 18-11-2022, 02:07 PM

I can confirm that we did engineer single cabs to come with a tray in both single turbo and bi turbo 2.0 diesel. Only in XL series unfortunately but they should certainly be available. If not I can only assume supply issues

roKWiz · 18-11-2022, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

To be honest, I have not looked into tray dimensions for a small truck.

We have a small Isuzu truck at work. I have driven it a few times, let's just say it's not something I would want to drive every day. They are just too far into "truck" driving dynamics than I want to deal with, gear shifting in particular. As mentioned, the Ranger is a perfect daily driver, even when I don't have a load or tools in the back.

The way I see it. Yes not for everyone but.
Trucks you mentioned are gradually taking over the building/service industries, Most clued up and well to do trades/service guys aren't buying utes now.
That bonnet sticking out front on most of these utes is basically wasted payload space hence why cabover small Jap trucks or Euro vans are so popular with deliver companies.
With the price of building material and delivery prices going up due to diesel most builders/companies are sourcing long bulk orders which require their own guys trucks to deliver.
I would much rather buy a proven Japanese truck.

I thought your earlier statement regarding what people thought of you about what vehicle you drive was rather strange though. I would be more impress with a trade showing up with all the right gear to do the job and not needing keep disappearing for stuff he couldn't fit on his little ute.

hayseed · 19-11-2022, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Cause black paint dried faster back then. I doubt that's an issue now.

The Main objective was top keep the Production Line going at Full speed..!!

or at least that's My take on IT..

Franco Cozzo · 19-11-2022, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Nissan - this is for a SL 4x2 auto -

Proce $42,761

https://www.nissan.com.au/vehicles/b...ry/BAD7/AfdYZw

Most of these were sub $30,000 not that long ago. If did need to look beyond the Ford line, I would be favoring the Mazda to be honest.

Nissan - we ****ed up and no one is buying our Renault engine ute.

Also Nissan - $42,761

If that **** was $32K DA they would be flying out the door regardless of their trash ute.

Bossxr8 · 21-11-2022, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by hayseed

The Main objective was top keep the Production Line going at Full speed..!!

or at least that's My take on IT..

With separate paint shops, where car bodies stay after paint, drying time is simply not a factor anymore in production line speed. The paint is baked or ran under heat lamps anyway to dry it quicker.

It was different back then cause cars were painted on the production line.

XR Martin · 21-11-2022, 11:39 AM

Can you imagine someone ordering a custom colour on a car and then having them change their mind once it shows up? That's not the blue I wanted, it's supposed to be lighter. Etc.
Give people too many choices and they'll never make a decision or be satisfied.

Sure, when ordering a Rolls Royce custom colours are understandable.

Swordie · 15-01-2023, 11:31 AM

Spotted a Single Cab Ranger that looks like base spec. It was the only one on the lot.

Swordie · 15-01-2023, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Swordie

Spotted a Single Cab Ranger that looks like base spec. It was the only one on the lot.

Looks like $42,500 drive away.

https://www.essendonford.com.au/all-...31156/28555262

kevino · 15-01-2023, 03:29 PM

$42500!

Lots of profit on that unit.

naddis01 · 15-01-2023, 04:39 PM

It also has 3 outstanding field service actions against it ha ha.

**Charliewool** · 15-01-2023, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Swordie

Looks like $42,500 drive away.

https://www.essendonford.com.au/all-...31156/28555262

Bare cab chassis… Tray extra!
That’s insane money…
It wasn’t too long ago that any barebones jap cab chassis was sub 20k with aluminium tray thrown in.

Franco Cozzo · 15-01-2023, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Charliewool

Bare cab chassis… Tray extra!
That’s insane money…
It wasn’t too long ago that any barebones jap cab chassis was sub 20k with aluminium tray thrown in.

Ken Bruce has gone mad!

That's the only explanation

jstanovic · 15-01-2023, 08:16 PM

About 18 months ago a mate bought a new Hilux, single cab, manual, high rider 2WD, diesel with tray and steel bullbar, around $40k drive away.

So while I wouldn't pay $42.5k it seems to be in the ballpark.

Bossxr8 · 16-01-2023, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by jstanovic

About 18 months ago a mate bought a new Hilux, single cab, manual, high rider 2WD, diesel with tray and steel bullbar, around $40k drive away.

So while I wouldn't pay $42.5k it seems to be in the ballpark.

I think everyone needs to re-evaluate what the new normal prices are. Everything is rising in cost, inflation is mental, and manufacturers are going for more profit since covid and chip shortages.

A base model Corolla is 35k drive away FFS. It's not 2015 anymore people, this is the new reality.

Swordie · 16-01-2023, 11:12 AM

I'm no ute expert. I would of thought $42.5K with a tray would be a good price considering the times. Plus the dealer could be quite negotiable as it is 2022 stock (1yr old now in dealer terms).

If you have something to trade (eg another Ranger) the swap cost needs to be considered relative to pre-COVID times. Second-hand rangers are not cheap.

It is interesting the single cab base model has a 6spd auto. I don't mind that compared to 10spd.

Franco Cozzo · 16-01-2023, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I think everyone needs to re-evaluate what the new normal prices are. Everything is rising in cost, inflation is mental, and manufacturers are going for more profit since covid and chip shortages.

A base model Corolla is 35k drive away FFS. It's not 2015 anymore people, this is the new reality.

Given it's $52K DA for a Jap truck inclusive of a tray thats probably explaining why Isuzu Truck has seen massive increases in sales of light truck even though it's lead the segment for 30+ years.

They're managing to poach customers from the Thailand Specials, you're getting a lot more capable vehicle for not too much more coin.

Sure they ride like *** but so does a Hilux.

https://www.trucksales.com.au/items/...AG-AD-16699032

Seen a few of these going for $52K DA

Curious to see what it's tare weight is given it can be driven on car licence.