Quickest unopened BOSS Engine - Page 4

JG3282 · 22-11-2005, 11:45 PM

No thanks I don't drink International Roast... Only Moccona

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C'mon mate, I'm just trying to stimulate some on-track competition... You know to get more cars out there unleashing hell on the red posse

DOC · 22-11-2005, 11:51 PM

From a laymans View ( shoot me down slowly )

one for 260 and 290

(QNM) Quickest No Mod:Street Tyres

(QMM) quickest medium mod: Cai, cat back, headers, underdrives, helix, throttle body, any tyre.

(QHM) Quickest high mod, as above, + flash, uni chip,
diff gears, hi stall, rip shift

(QUM) Quickest unlimited mods. as above + cams or any other opened engine work, drag tyres.

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There's the challenge, let's see who can accurately complete the questonaire

this wold make 4 classes for each engine type. ??

Craig · 23-11-2005, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by JG3282

Here's how I propose it:

Quickest No Mod 260:
Quickest No Mod 290:

Quickest CAI Only 260:
Quickest CAI Only 290:

Quickest Cat Back Only 260:
Quickest Cat Back Only 290:

Quickest Headers Only 260:
Quickest Headers Only 290:

Quickest Flash Only 260:
Quickest Flash Only 290:

Quickest Unlimited External Bolt On 260:
Quickest Unlimited External Bolt On 290:
* External bolt ons categorised as CAI, diff gears, Exhaust, rip shift, throttle body, helix spacer, flash tune, uni chip, filter.

Quickest Aftermarket Camshafts 260:
Quickest Aftermarket Camshafts 290:

Quickest Drag Type Tyre 260:
Quickest Drag Type Tyre 290:
* Drag type tyres include Nitto's, ET Streets, Drag Radials, Semi Slicks & Slicks

Quickest Outright 260:
Quickest Outright 290:

There's the challenge, let's see who can accurately complete the questonaire

What about the 3 valve 220KW guys??????????????

JG3282 · 23-11-2005, 09:38 AM

That's a whole other story Craig...

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XRQTOR · 23-11-2005, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by xr8888

No seriously mate the idea has merrit....would be good to catch up with wade and leigh etc.....

Think it is something we could ALL work on.

A road trip F**k yea.

PhantomXR8 · 23-11-2005, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DOC

From a laymans View ( shoot me down slowly )

one for 260 and 290

(QNM) Quickest No Mod:Street Tyres

(QMM) quickest medium mod: Cai, cat back, headers, underdrives, helix, throttle body, any tyre.

(QHM) Quickest high mod, as above, + flash, uni chip,
diff gears, hi stall, rip shift

(QUM) Quickest unlimited mods. as above + cams or any other opened engine work, drag tyres.

this wold make 4 classes for each engine type. ??

Now we're starting to get somewhere!

ratter · 23-11-2005, 07:25 PM

How do you police/test if someones car has been edited but they say it hasn't

GT 8888 · 23-11-2005, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ratter

How do you police/test if someones car has been edited but they say it hasn't

honesty.....not playing for sheep stations....if someone wants to lie thats their problem.

PhantomXR8 · 23-11-2005, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xr8888

honesty.....not playing for sheep stations....if someone wants to lie thats their problem.

It's that simple!

Craig · 23-11-2005, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by xr8888

honesty.....not playing for sheep stations....if someone wants to lie thats their problem.

Correct.

Most of us who have modded their cars and ran them down the quarter know what times we should be running by about now. If someone pulls a big one out and says they haven't done this or that then we would know if it's crap or not.

What i have found so far and i have only been doing this for about a month or so is that the ford guys seem to be quite honest and open about there cars. Had a great chat with Kev & Cam from the G & D stable on the weekend and you can tell whens theres no Bull.

ratter · 23-11-2005, 08:22 PM

It looks like we are following the oppositions lead with different classes, but what appears to have happened over there is, a few specialist tuners are chasing times in order to get customer to come to them (as they should) by being or claiming that they are the quickest. There has been rumours about certain mods being done (probably just sour grapes). I can see the same thing happening here unless it is policed.

At the momment Chris is leading the boss development race, but there will be others who feel they can benefit from the customer base, so they will get in on the action, lets hope they are as honest as Chris is and only do what they claim, or stick to the rules if there is a set drawn up.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the competition, as us consumers will reap the rewards.

SpoolMan · 24-11-2005, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by xr8888

honesty.....not playing for sheep stations....if someone wants to lie thats their problem.

Brad so true....best post in the whole thread...

JG3282 · 24-11-2005, 09:20 AM

The way I look at it is: Whether you agree with me or not, what I've done is created a whole lot of discussion and enabled people to bring their ideas forward. Hopefully this will lead to more cars hitting the track more often and attempting to run the big numbers, meaning that we can give it to the red posse.

CAMS290 · 24-11-2005, 10:38 PM

Guys, i propose similar guidlines as the LS1 brigade.
Most definatly the Boss motors SHOULD be able to get a set of billet oil pump gears as a consession, just like the LS1's can get valve springs.
Only oil pump gears DONT improve performance, only reliability, as there has been a few failures.

Un-Opened, no camshaft timing modifications, like closing the lobe separation, any bolt on modifications, exhaust, throttle bodys, inlet manifolds, helix spacers, computer edits or piggy back chips, fuel system, under drive pulleys, thermostats etc...can be allowed.
Drive train modifications should be allowed, Diff gears, Hi-Stalls, transmission modifications utilizing the "ORIGINAL" transmissions.

Suspension modifications should be allowed, as long as it meets RWC requirements.

Light weight drag wheels should be allowed, we will need to clarify if we use D.O.T approved tyres or drag slicks.

We need clarification on weight reduction, ie....no tailgates on utes, hard covers etc.. or light weight body panels, passengers seats removed ??

260 Un-opened
290 Un-opened

Lets face it, if you are going to open a 260, whats stopping you upping the c/r, ,putting 290 Boss or higher spec cams, its going to be hard to police.

260/290 Opened.

Its a start, shoot me down in flames, but i would like to see a gentlemans agreement.
This WILL be good for everyone involved, a level playing field.

At the end of the day, a potential customer will want to see their cars running very close times to a workshop r & d car, with the same advertised improvements.

SpoolMan · 24-11-2005, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CAMS290

Guys, i propose similar guidlines as the LS1 brigade.
Most definatly the Boss motors SHOULD be able to get a set of billet oil pump gears as a consession, just like the LS1's can get valve springs.
Only oil pump gears DONT improve performance, only reliability, as there has been a few failures.

Un-Opened, no camshaft timing modifications, like closing the lobe separation, any bolt on modifications, exhaust, throttle bodys, inlet manifolds, helix spacers, computer edits or piggy back chips, fuel system, under drive pulleys, thermostats etc...can be allowed.
Drive train modifications should be allowed, Diff gears, Hi-Stalls, transmission modifications utilizing the "ORIGINAL" transmissions.

Suspension modifications should be allowed, as long as it meets RWC requirements.

Light weight drag wheels should be allowed, we will need to clarify if we use D.O.T approved tyres or drag slicks.

We need clarification on weight reduction, ie....no tailgates on utes, hard covers etc.. or light weight body panels, passengers seats removed ??

260 Un-opened
290 Un-opened

Lets face it, if you are going to open a 260, whats stopping you upping the c/r, ,putting 290 Boss or higher spec cams, its going to be hard to police.

260/290 Opened.

Its a start, shoot me down in flames, but i would like to see a gentlemans agreement.
This WILL be good for everyone involved, a level playing field.

At the end of the day, a potential customer will want to see their cars running very close times to a workshop r & d car, with the same advertised improvements.

Oil pump seems Fair..
260/290 under the same banner good idea..
LS1's range from 225 to 300 and there all under the same banner...

**Chris** · 25-11-2005, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CAMS290

Guys, i propose similar guidlines as the LS1 brigade.
Most definatly the Boss motors SHOULD be able to get a set of billet oil pump gears as a consession, just like the LS1's can get valve springs.
Only oil pump gears DONT improve performance, only reliability, as there has been a few failures.

Un-Opened, no camshaft timing modifications, like closing the lobe separation, any bolt on modifications, exhaust, throttle bodys, inlet manifolds, helix spacers, computer edits or piggy back chips, fuel system, under drive pulleys, thermostats etc...can be allowed.
Drive train modifications should be allowed, Diff gears, Hi-Stalls, transmission modifications utilizing the "ORIGINAL" transmissions.

Suspension modifications should be allowed, as long as it meets RWC requirements.

Light weight drag wheels should be allowed, we will need to clarify if we use D.O.T approved tyres or drag slicks.

We need clarification on weight reduction, ie....no tailgates on utes, hard covers etc.. or light weight body panels, passengers seats removed ??

260 Un-opened
290 Un-opened

Lets face it, if you are going to open a 260, whats stopping you upping the c/r, ,putting 290 Boss or higher spec cams, its going to be hard to police.

260/290 Opened.

Its a start, shoot me down in flames, but i would like to see a gentlemans agreement.
This WILL be good for everyone involved, a level playing field.

At the end of the day, a potential customer will want to see their cars running very close times to a workshop r & d car, with the same advertised improvements.

Its a level playing field now.

Craig · 25-11-2005, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CAMS290

Guys, i propose similar guidlines as the LS1 brigade.
Most definatly the Boss motors SHOULD be able to get a set of billet oil pump gears as a consession, just like the LS1's can get valve springs.
Only oil pump gears DONT improve performance, only reliability, as there has been a few failures.

Un-Opened, no camshaft timing modifications, like closing the lobe separation, any bolt on modifications, exhaust, throttle bodys, inlet manifolds, helix spacers, computer edits or piggy back chips, fuel system, under drive pulleys, thermostats etc...can be allowed.
Drive train modifications should be allowed, Diff gears, Hi-Stalls, transmission modifications utilizing the "ORIGINAL" transmissions.

Suspension modifications should be allowed, as long as it meets RWC requirements.

Light weight drag wheels should be allowed, we will need to clarify if we use D.O.T approved tyres or drag slicks.

We need clarification on weight reduction, ie....no tailgates on utes, hard covers etc.. or light weight body panels, passengers seats removed ??

260 Un-opened
290 Un-opened

Lets face it, if you are going to open a 260, whats stopping you upping the c/r, ,putting 290 Boss or higher spec cams, its going to be hard to police.

260/290 Opened.

Its a start, shoot me down in flames, but i would like to see a gentlemans agreement.
This WILL be good for everyone involved, a level playing field.

At the end of the day, a potential customer will want to see their cars running very close times to a workshop r & d car, with the same advertised improvements.

I reckon that's about right.

**Chris** · 25-11-2005, 09:55 AM

Craig, it will be impossible to police.

Those rules of camerons whilst sound very fair, will be impossible to police.

Just race it, 2 classes.

Boss NA, Boss FI.

SpoolMan · 25-11-2005, 10:47 AM

like all the rules that clubs and forums have in place, only everyone's honesty is needed... no need to police anything.
if rules are made... its up to everyone else if they want to follow in those rules...
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Which brings us back to Brads top post...

Quote:

Originally Posted by xr8888

honesty.....not playing for sheep stations....if someone wants to lie thats their problem.

**Chris** · 25-11-2005, 11:20 AM

then if its social like you say Mark, have 2 classes.

Boss NA

Boss Forced.

Craig · 25-11-2005, 11:29 AM

Having said all that "Someone" needs to take control and be the President i guess and start to make things happen if we want to play the game otherwise it's just a social outlet that we can all enjoy and have a beer or bourbon afterwards and chew the fat.

SpoolMan · 25-11-2005, 11:31 AM

2 classes opened and unopened..lol..
Unopened keeps pushing people/shops to find things to make them go quicker, without having to spend the big money to crack it open.
Look how far you have pushed your Ute, its the persistence of trying new things this has shown the good results you scored from your Boss.
If classes are made............you cant make someone follow a class, its each to there own, do want you want just go quicker..
See what happens either way more Flying Boss powered Fords are needed not just a few..

Quote:

Originally Posted by BA Company Car

Having said all that "Someone" needs to take control and be the President i guess and start to make things happen if we want to play the game otherwise it's just a social outlet that we can all enjoy and have a beer or bourbon afterwards and chew the fat.

I agree Craig, Keep you posted on that one....most likely needs to be a person who has no commercial interest in the after market performance Ford industry..

JG3282 · 25-11-2005, 12:46 PM

I'll volunteer... I have ZERO personal interest in Boss engines other than to see everyone else go quick in them

**Chris** · 25-11-2005, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XRFPV8

2 classes opened and unopened..lol..
Unopened keeps pushing people/shops to find things to make them go quicker, without having to spend the big money to crack it open.
Look how far you have pushed your Ute, its the persistence of trying new things this has shown the good results you scored from your Boss.
If classes are made............you cant make someone follow a class, its each to there own, do want you want just go quicker..
See what happens either way more Flying Boss powered Fords are needed not just a few..

I agree Craig, Keep you posted on that one....most likely needs to be a person who has no commercial interest in the after market performance Ford industry..

Good work Mark, one rep from each state, independant from any workshop, hardware or software distribution company or marketing and publishing company (sorry ash).

Start nominations and lets break them into a state by state deal, and we need to vote on it.

XRQTR · 25-11-2005, 02:28 PM

Hehehe I can already see a few plain envelopes and brown paper bags being readied for the future 'el prezidentes'

So in light of this I will be the first to throw my hat in the ring :the_finge

DOC · 25-11-2005, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XRFPV8

2 classes opened and unopened..lol..
Unopened keeps pushing people/shops to find things to make them go quicker, without having to spend the big money to crack it open.
Look how far you have pushed your Ute, its the persistence of trying new things this has shown the good results you scored from your Boss.
If classes are made............you cant make someone follow a class, its each to there own, do want you want just go quicker..
See what happens either way more Flying Boss powered Fords are needed not just a few..

I agree Craig, Keep you posted on that one....most likely needs to be a person who has no commercial interest in the after market performance Ford industry..

OK 2 classes opened and unopened , gentlemans rules and out side interests as the judge.

Mark as you said more in now, so up goes my hand in the unopened section SA, it will be the slowest 260 for now, but some good targets set by others for me to chase down ( one at a time ), currently i think my 260 is running like a soft toy all wet and soggy, it just seems to have no guts in it.

look forward to some fun

Pete

rodderz · 25-11-2005, 07:17 PM

I agree with Cam's set of rules, there needs to somewhere along the line where driver skill comes into play as well.

If there's 2 guys racing one another, one with true unopened (cai, zorst, u/drives etc) and the opponent having cam timing done as well, he's gonna have a torque and power advantage. If the cams have been played with, it means it's opened and the guys who cant afford to go to those financial lengths will be left behind.

Sure, we are all in it for a good time a a chat afterwards, but at an event where people will be racing competitively, a simple N/A vs Forced rule IMO will be too general. Give everyone joe blow a chance in a proper sanctioned comp. As for the policing, sure it's a bugger to do but it's not the only group of cars it applies to, and in the end Brads comment about honesty will come into play. After all, the dishonest ones are only cheating themselves

ratter · 25-11-2005, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rodderz

I agree with Cam's set of rules, there needs to somewhere along the line where driver skill comes into play as well.

If there's 2 guys racing one another, one with true unopened (cai, zorst, u/drives etc) and the opponent having cam timing done as well, he's gonna have a torque and power advantage. If the cams have been played with, it means it's opened and the guys who cant afford to go to those financial lengths will be left behind.

Sure, we are all in it for a good time a a chat afterwards, but at an event where people will be racing competitively, a simple N/A vs Forced rule IMO will be too general. Give everyone joe blow a chance in a proper sanctioned comp. As for the policing, sure it's a bugger to do but it's not the only group of cars it applies to, and in the end Brads comment about honesty will come into play. After all, the dishonest ones are only cheating themselves

Simple solution,,,, DYO

Dial your own index, the fastest cars will allways show how fast they are, but they guy who just spends a few dollars on his car can compete against workshop backed cars as well, and stand a chance of winning.

Policing rules would not be a problem as ther would be no rules, consistancy and reaction time would rule.

rodderz · 25-11-2005, 07:29 PM

Also a good idea mate! Then no matter what the mods, unopened or opened, the whole thing is on a level playing field

Only thing i dont like with DYO is that a PB over your dial in time will see you eliminated (and no more chances to improve even more!

Craig · 25-11-2005, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rodderz

Also a good idea mate! Then no matter what the mods, unopened or opened, the whole thing is on a level playing field

Only thing i dont like with DYO is that a PB over your dial in time will see you eliminated (and no more chances to improve even more!

Yes Rodderz exactly right. That's the biggest sour spectacle in Drag Racing where you see guys slowing down or applying the brakes at the end to save an index. I HATE IT.

Heads up lets get in on for me.