2010 Falcon/Territory (speculation) - Page 4

R-Design · 14-05-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

Interesting to read (between the lines) that the Euro 4 update may be so insignificant that an "update" model in it's true form (for the Falcon) may not occur until much later.

I'm sure they don't want to jeopardise any potential SYII or FG sales in the next 12 months.

Last thing you'd want is to announce any changes early.

Joe5619 · 14-05-2009, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

Why carry out all the R&D and cost associated with making the engine Euro 5 compliant when it isnt even mandated in Australia yet? It's not going to have any 'advantage' over Holden other than fanboy ****ing rights so they'd be wise to leave that well enough alone.

I don't buy that as a reason not to go for Euro 5... If that was the case why do we have ABS, DSC, Airbags, curtin airbag (non of which are mandated).. And having a better "green" emissions car is a HUGE advantage. Just ask Ford about all the missed fleet sales from the past 12-24 months, because the Falcon has not met government emission standards? Image if Falcon had a class dealing engine in emissions? Hello government fleet sales!!

vztrt · 14-05-2009, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

I don't buy that as a reason not to go for Euro 5... If that was the case why do we have ABS, DSC, Airbags, curtin airbag.. And having a better "green" emissions car is a HUGE advantage. Just ask Ford about all the missed fleet sales from the past 12-24 months, because the Falcon has not met government emission standards? Image if Falcon had a class dealing engine in emissions? Hello government fleet sales!!

The jump from euro 4 to 5 is big. They may not be able to get it to that level, the cost would be high and FordUS wont allow the money to be spent. They will get the I6 to euro 4, then they will reassess the cost of using the I6 compared to a global V6.

An example would be Caterpillar with the change from their Tier 3 to Tier 4 truck engines. They couldn't get them to meet the emissions so now they have pulled out of the truck engine business.

R-Design · 19-05-2009, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Boss315

Agreed, FG changes will be more about EURO 4 engine compliance. We won't see a series change until GMH updates the VE.

With this in mind does anyone know what updates they've got on the cards which Ford will need to match?

At the risk of answering my own question, surely this can't be all they've got in mind?

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Ar...rticleID=62943

"Reuss won’t elaborate on the planned updates to the Commodore, but he has previously told Drive he is looking at advanced lightweight materials, smaller engines (including, possibly, a four-cylinder) and even runflat tyres to remove the spare tyre."

vztrt · 19-05-2009, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Boss315

At the risk of answering my own question, surely this can't be all they've got in mind?

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Ar...rticleID=62943

"Reuss won’t elaborate on the planned updates to the Commodore, but he has previously told Drive he is looking at advanced lightweight materials, smaller engines (including, possibly, a four-cylinder) and even runflat tyres to remove the spare tyre."

Isn't it funny how Holden are going to do this, going to do that but at the end of the day they do SFA. At least Ford do it and then tell the media.

'Holden, were gonna go better...Ford we already go better'.

R-Design · 19-05-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

Isn't it funny how Holden are going to do this, going to do that but at the end of the day they do SFA.

I wonder if this is still (or was ever) on the cards?

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Ar...rticleID=52633

Road_Warrior · 19-05-2009, 01:09 PM

I would say the Hybrid Commodore has definitely been canned.

I would also say that Holden probably had good intentions of releasing a "VF" in 2010 or thereabouts with the front end styling of the Torana concept and the back end from the Coupe 60 concept, but the GFC and GM's woes probably put paid to that.

So they will have to make little running changes here and there to keep it current.

vztrt · 19-05-2009, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Boss315

I wonder if this is still (or was ever) on the cards?

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Ar...rticleID=52633

WHo knows with these guys. A DI alloytec was meant to be released but now it seems that its not gonna happen. AFM took how much longer to be released (I know its crap but its a good marketing tool). Hybrid Commo may come out, but i doubt it'll be next year also GM have to get themselves out the the poo their in first.

phillyc · 19-05-2009, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

Isn't it funny how Holden are going to do this, going to do that but at the end of the day they do SFA. At least Ford do it and then tell the media.

'Holden, were gonna go better...Ford we already go better'.

Don't know how many times i've said it.

"GMHolden are the automotive equivalent of the NSW Labor Party. Publicity, rhetoric and spin. No actual substance."

I will say that Ford have now started to say some details to the media of future stuff. This is good, because it shows that there is a plan to still be here.

Yesterday, Ford Aus product development director Russell Christophers confirmed to drive the Coyote V8 is coming and a diesel Terri is coming next year.

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Ar...eID=62920&vf=2

Christophers admitted that the financial uncertainty surrounding the future of General Motors was a motivator for Ford continuing to offer a V8.

“If something happened to Holden, and HSV (Holden’s equivalent to FPV) folded, we would be mad not to continue in that (V8) business,” he said. “But I don’t know that is going to happen.”

phillyc · 19-05-2009, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

I would say the Hybrid Commodore has definitely been canned.

I would also say that Holden probably had good intentions of releasing a "VF" in 2010 or thereabouts with the front end styling of the Torana concept and the back end from the Coupe 60 concept, but the GFC and GM's woes probably put paid to that.

So they will have to make little running changes here and there to keep it current.

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Reuss is changing the focus of Commodore’s model development to ongoing updates, tweaks and changes rather than the all encompassing once-in-a-decade model changeover that’s typified the 32-year history of the locally made large car.

“We’re going to do that every single year. So when someone says ‘when’s the next Commodore?’, I say it’s about four months away.”

Sounds exactly like they have no money and will move to just MY10 etc nomenclature. They can't afford the small stuff, let alone the big stuff.

R-Design · 26-05-2009, 04:13 PM

E-Gas Falcon set for fuel economy lift

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...2575C200099C46

Road_Warrior · 26-05-2009, 04:20 PM

O rly

So will this be a liquid injection system? It would be good if they offered a dual/fuel version too but I guess we can't have our cake and eat it..

vztrt · 26-05-2009, 04:27 PM

Well it was a gimmie that it was gonna go injected, I'm just wondering if it will be vapour or liquid..

**Elks** · 26-05-2009, 04:48 PM

Is there any consideration of a Coyote V8 powered Territory. Our TT Ghia is due for replacement next year and I was thinking Ghia turbo, now I'm thinking V8 would be good.

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Gobes32 · 26-05-2009, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Boss315

E-Gas Falcon set for fuel economy lift

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...2575C200099C46

It's a bit early to be announcing liquid injection if they plan to keep the vaporised system for another twelve months? Hopefully it is coming sooner.....

JPFS1 · 26-05-2009, 08:35 PM

news is almost a month old... ;)

Gobes32 · 26-05-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JPFS1

news is almost a month old... ;)

Any clues as to when they will implement it?

JPFS1 · 26-05-2009, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Gobes32

Any clues as to when they will implement it?

to be honest no - but logic suggests it has to be mid 2010. If not, then there won't be an e-gas model come June 2010, until it's ready for release.

2fishingdogs · 26-05-2009, 09:11 PM

Hope the new LPG units heaps better than the current ones. Would have bought a FG ute on lpg by now if it was upgraded last year. Heres hoping the series 2 has the goods.

Road_Warrior · 27-05-2009, 11:13 AM

Bump

Someone saw a 2010 Territory mule last week, with half it's black cladding falling off.

Those mules are out there. Keep your eyes open people.

JPFS1 · 27-05-2009, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

Bump

Someone saw a 2010 Territory mule last week, with half it's black cladding falling off.

Those mules are out there. Keep your eyes open people.

Can confirm that this is now most likely BS. Don't know what that member saw, but it's impossible to be the new Tezza.

They have not been built to final spec yet, they are not on public roads yet (in the final body) and they wouldn't be left with half the cladding falling off.

Road_Warrior · 02-06-2009, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by JPFS1

Can confirm that this is now most likely BS. Don't know what that member saw, but it's impossible to be the new Tezza.

They have not been built to final spec yet, they are not on public roads yet (in the final body) and they wouldn't be left with half the cladding falling off.

The forum member may have mistaken it for the T6 - these things are out and about with cladding and may have had a canopy fitted over the rear.

On another note, I wonder what FPV is up to at the moment...

R-Design · 06-06-2009, 04:18 PM

Posting in this thread as there was some future Commodore speculation here.

Commodore to get 3.0 L V6 with DI

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Ar...=63496&IsPgd=0

Windsor220 · 06-06-2009, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Boss315

Posting in this thread as there was some future Commodore speculation here.

Commodore to get 3.0 L V6 with DI

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Ar...=63496&IsPgd=0

I heard about this a few weeks ago. Interesting if the power goes down being quite a heavy car. Wonder if the 9.5l/100km figure is achievable. Its a big jump form where they're at now.

Will they still keep the 3.6 for the SV6?

XR8putts · 06-06-2009, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

On another note, I wonder what FPV is up to at the moment...

Would there not be XR8 and GT Cyotees (in current FG guise) running around by now?

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JPFS1 · 06-06-2009, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by puts99

Would there not be XR8 and GT Cyotees (in current FG guise) running around by now?

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There sure are. Homologation has been happening for a while.

Swordsman88 · 06-06-2009, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JPFS1

There sure are. Homologation has been happening for a while.

Have they been out on public roads though??? Not that you really need to for homologation if you have the enviro test centre plus proving ground but just wondering..... Maybe someone will notice a FG that sounds a little less BOSS like...or hear a V8 falc without a bonnet bulge.

Mr_4.0 · 06-06-2009, 07:34 PM

there are NO 2010 terrys on the road. not 1 has been built. not one.

Swordsman88 · 06-06-2009, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_4.0

there are NO 2010 terrys on the road. not 1 has been built. not one.

....which begs the question....if so, when will it come out. The more i ponder the situation the more obvious it is that Ford will not bring out the new terry before the mid 2010 deadline. The 'update' was done to keep things ticking along they will probably just slot in the new engine in June. If there aren't even any built yet (using previous ford aus product develop. timelines) then i can't see the car coming out in a year from now. Question is...do we have to wait till the all new terri to see the diesel, or can they slot it in when they do the engine 'upgrades'??

Sprint XR8 · 06-06-2009, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Boss315

Posting in this thread as there was some future Commodore speculation here.

Commodore to get 3.0 L V6 with DI

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Ar...=63496&IsPgd=0

I think it will more likely get the 3.2L no DI V6 Holden already build for the Captiva.