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JPFS1 · 04-08-2009, 11:52 PM

The ratings that Holden have chosen to compare are from the greenvehicleguide.gov.au website. The figures are correct for XT with 5spd which is the base spec.

Ford FG Falcon XT, 4.0L 6cyl, Auto 5 speed Sedan, 5 seats, 2WD

Petrol 91RON

10.5 L/100

251g/km CO2

Ford FG Falcon XT, 4.0L 6cyl, Auto 6 speed, Sedan, 5 seats, 2WD

Petrol 91RON

9.9L/100

236g/km CO2

Maggot · 04-08-2009, 11:56 PM

I remember buying a VZ and the 175kw figures were definately on 98 fuel.. so I doubt GM have changed that habit now.

PoweredByCNG · 05-08-2009, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Hardware

Yeah, you can't do that dave. How are they going to increase the size of the engine, bore or stroke? If bore, expect very minimal torque gains. If stroke, expect torque gains. The I6 wins cos of it's long stroke.

Please read my last post.

Regards,
Dave

PoweredByCNG · 05-08-2009, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Maggot

I remember buying a VZ and the 175kw figures were definately on 98 fuel.. so I doubt GM have changed that habit now.

IIRC, only the V8s had performance figures quoted using 98RON.

(Just confirmed by referring to VZ/VE Commodore brochures)

Regards,
Dave

Maggot · 05-08-2009, 12:29 AM

I know they quoted 172kw in the engines from 06 onwards. and that was on 91fuel.. but I am sure the 04 model that we had was 175 on 98 fuel.. unless their own doco on the side of the car was wrong at the time and we bought it off the floor.

Will have to look this up of course ! :-)

vztrt · 05-08-2009, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Maggot

I know they quoted 172kw in the engines from 06 onwards. and that was on 91fuel.. but I am sure the 04 model that we had was 175 on 98 fuel.. unless their own doco on the side of the car was wrong at the time and we bought it off the floor.

Will have to look this up of course ! :-)

Euro 3 update lost 3kw.

SLO AU XR8 · 05-08-2009, 12:50 AM

So Holden is claiming that the 3.0 V6 will acheive around 8.4L/100km on the highway, Is that at 100 or 110km/h? bit of a let down if it is, as a mate (tweeds_xt) went from Brisbane to Sydney averaging 5.5L/100km in a stock 4 spd BA XT. Although, the 3.6L VE is claimed to acheive 8.2L/100km on the highway.

Kaan · 05-08-2009, 01:13 AM

I am wondering how much holden is paying for their engineers . Looks like they are pretty lazy

MGR · 05-08-2009, 03:30 AM

Fixed.

chevypower · 05-08-2009, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

http://www.caradvice.com.au/37419/ho...nes-same-look/

hmmm, the two comparisons are a bit misleading. Last time I checked the Xt produced only 236g/km and 9.9l/100. Even with the 5 speed its 239g/km and 10.1l/100.

This looks more like the result of a drag race to me

prydey · 05-08-2009, 06:48 AM

i haven't read through the whole thread so apologies if i repeat anything.
in todays advertiser they had a bit of an article on this (it is holden country over here) and they mention the fact that it does melb - syd on 1 tank of fuel. they then mention they have just completed that in real life and achieved... wait for it... 7.5L/100km for the trip! then they commented how that was better than a lot of 4cyl cars.

i guess they bank on the majority of people not really knowing too much about cars. my old ba wagon ave 8 from bris - adel without even trying.

i guess they have to market the car but comparing it to other brands already before there is any real trend of real world figures is a bit presumtuous.

Smoke Pursuit · 05-08-2009, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by prydey

i haven't read through the whole thread so apologies if i repeat anything.
in todays advertiser they had a bit of an article on this (it is holden country over here) and they mention the fact that it does melb - syd on 1 tank of fuel. they then mention they have just completed that in real life and achieved... wait for it... 7.5L/100km for the trip! then they commented how that was better than a lot of 4cyl cars.

i guess they bank on the majority of people not really knowing too much about cars. my old ba wagon ave 8 from bris - adel without even trying.

i guess they have to market the car but comparing it to other brands already before there is any real trend of real world figures is a bit presumtuous.

Matt on here has done Melb to Sydney in a G6E Turbo on one tank too.. Matty where are you!!!!!!!!!!!!

Watto_Cobra · 05-08-2009, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MGR

Fixed.

That makes more sense. Graphs can be so very manipulated as Holden have done here. By not having an intial starting number for the bars it looks like Commy halves the economy and CO2 of Falc. Hence greater brainwashing potential.

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Originally Posted by chevypower

This looks more like the result of a drag race to me.

Classic!

Mr Hardware · 05-08-2009, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by chevypower

This looks more like the result of a drag race to me

GOLD!

whales · 05-08-2009, 01:31 PM

You just watch their sales go through the roof.
They are very clever at advertising doesn't matter if it's true or only half true it is exactly what the potential buyers want to see............cheap to run

Paxton · 05-08-2009, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bfiipursuit

Matt on here has done Melb to Sydney in a G6E Turbo on one tank too.. Matty where are you!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've done it in my EF (with a 4 Speed Auto), and in an X5. It isn't as hard as Holden make it out to be.

Swordsman88 · 05-08-2009, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Paxton

I've done it in my EF (with a 4 Speed Auto), and in an X5. It isn't as hard as Holden make it out to be.

Yeah it all depends on how you drive and when. I did 8s all the time in my old EF Gli on the highway...and that was often in regional QLD in 110 zones. I was not mucking around either if you know what i mean.

Not really bothered to measure too closely in my EF XR but it does roughly the same. Maybe a shade more on the open road, but i think it probably does less around town.

Everyone should brace themselves now.....not just for the holden advetising onslaught but the inevitable Holden fans appraoching you to crowe about how great the alloytec is. plus the unsuspecting car-adverse general public which are amazed at the fuel efficienty of a 3.0 commodore.

I noted buried in a Goauto article that the head of the engineering on this 3.0 noted that while it was down on paper RE torque etc., it would 'match the performance' of the current base engine combo and 'atcually drives better' re driveability. You think? LOL! Even if it does match it (and its an IF) it would have to go a hell of alot better to get within Cooee of Falcon/Aurion. Every time a manufacturer releases new engines it will go on about better response, faster, quieter etc. etc. Oh and it burns less too. As usual Holden is very quiet on the details so we shall see.

Mr Hardware · 05-08-2009, 03:48 PM

Personally, i'm champing at the bit to drive one. If it goes as well as it should and it chews as little fuel as they claim, i'd even consider owning one.

BrisVegas · 05-08-2009, 03:55 PM

It's a shame Ford won't have the 2.0T 4cyl out at the same time to compete against this. Holden will have 12-18 months of free kicks before Ford comes to market with their fuel miser. If the Falcon launched 2010 models with the 4cyl, diesel and LI LPG they would give the GM mob a touch up.

EDIT - yes I know they aren't putting the diesel in Falcon, but they should!

**TUF_302** · 05-08-2009, 05:00 PM

Ford should try and release the 2ltr Falcon alot sooner, its got more power than the 3ltr commy and uses less fuel, so with the right marketing should sell like hot cakes!!

PoweredByCNG · 05-08-2009, 07:15 PM

Personally, the ONLY reason why I WOULDN'T own a new SIDI Commodore is because they, at this point in time, cannot be converted to run on LPG.

Regards,
Dave

Bossxr8 · 05-08-2009, 08:40 PM

I highly doubt owners will get anywhere near the economy figures in the real world. The 3 litre will be a slug.

In the real world i'd expect a 6 speed auto XT to have near identical economy, without having to have its ring revved out to keep up with traffic.

Its funny the Holden engineer saying performance will be similar to the last model. So it will be the slowest car in the class still

f1tzy · 05-08-2009, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Hardware

Quite right old son. I have had a VY and VZ work cars, and i tell you, i had absolute overtaking confidence in the VY (ecotec) but had zero overtaking confidence in the VZ (alloytec). Anything before 3900rpm and you ain't moving. Where as by the time i hit 3900rpm in the ecotec, the competition was just seeing a pair of taillights off in the distance!

try it in a manual with no torque multiplication

Mr Hardware · 06-08-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by PoweredByCNG

Personally, the ONLY reason why I WOULDN'T own a new SIDI Commodore is because they, at this point in time, cannot be converted to run on LPG.

Yeah i'm glad you said at this point in time, cos that's what they said about EFI cars too.

Carby · 06-08-2009, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I highly doubt owners will get anywhere near the economy figures in the real world. The 3 litre will be a slug.

In the real world i'd expect a 6 speed auto XT to have near identical economy, without having to have its ring revved out to keep up with traffic.

Its funny the Holden engineer saying performance will be similar to the last model. So it will be the slowest car in the class still

Real world?? Id expect that those figures would be different for every person who is on this forum!

Highly doubt the 3.0 litre will be a slug - it's hooked to a 6 speed so I'm sure it will be geared to get along quite nicely.

The 3.0 litre is not for performance it's economy and will no doubt will do it's intended job.

Holden having the 3.6 litre gives them a marketing advantage - from XT to G6 it's the same 4.0 litre Falcon and for performance you can get the I6T but then Holden has it's 6.0 litre V8 to counter the I6T.

To me the Turbo 4 can't come quick enough for Ford.

PoweredByCNG · 06-08-2009, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Hardware

Yeah i'm glad you said at this point in time, cos that's what they said about EFI cars too.

Prins has a direct injection LPG system available in Europe. It is a vapour system and is not available in Australia yet because nobody (right now) drives cars with direct petrol injection engines!!

Regards,
Dave

Stoney! · 07-08-2009, 02:03 AM

What about all of Volkswagens engine including the 3.6 VR6 engine? And the Direct injected 1.4 TSI that you know I will be getting shortly lol.

Stoney!

DanielXR8 · 07-08-2009, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by PoweredByCNG

Prins has a direct injection LPG system available in Europe. It is a vapour system and is not available in Australia yet because nobody (right now) drives cars with direct petrol injection engines!!

Regards,
Dave

Any Mazda 3 or 6 MPS has direct injection and turbo charging, unless some bugger from Ford has been under the bonnet of my 6 and taken the engine out. ;)

Wally · 07-08-2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by PoweredByCNG

Prins has a direct injection LPG system available in Europe. It is a vapour system and is not available in Australia yet because nobody (right now) drives cars with direct petrol injection engines!!

Regards,
Dave

I've a got a six year old car out the back I bought from new, that has direct engine.

ehast13 · 07-08-2009, 08:27 PM

wow! The 3.0 will be at least as confidence inspiring as the current 3.6 (if not less so). Nice to know a 4.1 xc will out torque and out tow a new commodore.

Max power at 6700rpm. Should be pretty economical to rev it that high. Wonder if it will sound any better than today's 3.6