Ford: V8 time is over

[graham7773]

I've had 400ci small block chev, 360ci Chrysler 351ci Ford (among about 300 other cars) and now 2l Telstar. I'm over V8s and looking at the Volt. 110kw and 360nm torque from zero revs. Just a bit pricy yet but 500+klms range on 36 liters fuel and no need to recharge from your house power point. Just fill up at the nearest servo and it recharges itself.

[superfly]

It will be a shame if the V8 was made extinct. As nothing has that "sound".

As for power, 2.5L STi's now have 221kw's and do 13 second quarters.

[SumoDog68]

Originally Posted by KIWI-1

I think the IH/Cat/Siemens was the first HEUI truck a couple of years before the Alfa. Australia saw that technology for the first time in the Holden Jackaroo?

So what could be done with the 4.4 V-8 petrol with a few million R&D dollars? BTW They're not the first to do that with Jeep.
Wife has a Mazda3 2.2 diesel - same engine as Mazda6, also used in CX-7 but turbo recalibrated , so you might say the 3 is overpowered - and sometimes driven that way!!! The lay person would struggle to tell the difference between the diesel and the petrol. 110kw/360NM standard; 132kw/432NM with a Steinbauer tune. Will pull 100kph in 2nd gear at 4500rpm.

Not doubting the feel of boosted diesel ( i own one ) But i think you ll find petrol 3 is still a quicker car. Diesel just feels so effortless with great economy .
On the side note who needs a V8 ?

http://carsales.mobi/news/2012/nissa...e-record-31130

[tranquilized]

Originally Posted by fordAU

Interesting reading the varied opinions on this one and I hate to say it but this Fraser fellow is stating the bleeding obvious.

I don't like it but the V8 is dead, there is no future in petrol even though there are still vast quantities left, and I suggest the 6 will also be a thing of the past.

Energy is becoming more expensive, and that relates directly to transport, we will be in 20 years time be driving electric cars.
Electicity will be very expensive,petrol will be dirt cheap due to little demand, funny world we live in and our V8's will be museum pieces.

Yes there are vast quantities of oil left, but its getting harder and harder (ie more expensive) to get. The shift to electric cars for the masses cant happen fast enough - hopefully that will help leave enough affordable oil for us to have fun in our classics, and perhaps some ultra-niche new petrol performance cars for a little longer. Not a petrol car left on the roads in 20years? I suspect you might be right, but hope not.

But petrol is never going to get any cheaper, regardless of demand. The oil crisis of the 70's was purely political. What we're facing now is peak oil. Once we've reached that, whether its in the next 10 years as some suggest, or not for another 100 years as others believe, people will scoff in disbelief that we used to burn oil just to get around. It'll be so expensive and in such massive demand for the other, far more important uses it has.

The V8's future is no different to any other petrol engine configuration.

[Nikked]

Don't need electric cars to shy away from oil...

[ebxr8240]

I can't see how some think V8's drink fuel..
A forced 4 cyl will go through similar amount and smaller vehicle..
In most cases it's not the V8 it's the large-sh body as in sedan isn't as popular when there's SUVs that are so adaptable to all sorts of family needs..
Keeps the wife happy too...

[mik]

Originally Posted by graham7773

I've had 400ci small block chev, 360ci Chrysler 351ci Ford (among about 300 other cars) and now 2l Telstar. I'm over V8s and looking at the Volt. 110kw and 360nm torque from zero revs. Just a bit pricy yet but 500+klms range on 36 liters fuel and no need to recharge from your house power point. Just fill up at the nearest servo and it recharges itself.

should be ok if you don`t keep it long term, as the batteries lose a percentage of their storage capacity each year the little motor will running for longer periods to keep them charged.

[tranquilized]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Don't need electric cars to shy away from oil...

What else would you suggest? Ethanol? We need all the arable land we can get to grow food, not petrol.

Not sure what else you might be getting at...

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by tranquilized

What else would you suggest? Ethanol? We need all the arable land we can get to grow food, not petrol.

Not sure what else you might be getting at...

Ethanol cna be made from the by-products of food production, the stuff that gets throwen out...


There is also hydrogen...but it seems a long shot..

[KIWI-1]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Don't need electric cars to shy away from oil...

Originally Posted by tranquilized

What else would you suggest? Ethanol? We need all the arable land we can get to grow food, not petrol.

Not sure what else you might be getting at...

It will be interesting once the carbon tax debate is gone and the world moves on to to Life Cycle Assessment (cradle to grave) as the method to quantify the environmental impact of cars.

Will the LCA sticker for a modern V-8 have a smaller or larger number than, say, an equivalent powered ecoBoost or electric car?

[tranquilized]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Ethanol cna be made from the by-products of food production, the stuff that gets throwen out...


There is also hydrogen...but it seems a long shot..

Good point, but I think the pendulum has already swung too far towards electric for too much to be spent on R&D and infastructure to bring alternative petrol production to the masses. Who knows though...

and hydrogen - that'll most likely be used in fuel cells - to produce electricity - for electric cars.

[BHDOGS]

V8 isn't dead don't be stupid just Becoz Europe can't afford 2 euros to rub together to build something big don't mean America or Australia won't

[tranquilized]

Originally Posted by KIWI-1

It will be interesting once the carbon tax debate is gone and the world moves on to to Life Cycle Assessment (cradle to grave) as the method to quantify the environmental impact of cars.

Will the LCA sticker for a modern V-8 have a smaller or larger number than, say, an equivalent powered ecoBoost or electric car?

Thats an interesting point. Surely once electric cars are more common, battery recycling will help them become far more environmentally friendly than they are right now. Of course theres still the issue of producing the electricity cleanly in the first place. The LCA of any product would need to be worked out for each market.

[FPV GTHO]

Originally Posted by ebxr8240

In most cases it's not the V8 it's the large-sh body as in sedan isn't as popular when there's SUVs that are so adaptable to all sorts of family needs..
Keeps the wife happy too...

Even when it is the engine, most people dont seperate cylinder count from displacement, and its the latter that only matters.

[KIWI-1]

Originally Posted by tranquilized

Thats an interesting point. Surely once electric cars are more common, battery recycling will help them become far more environmentally friendly than they are right now. Of course theres still the issue of producing the electricity cleanly in the first place. The LCA of any product would need to be worked out for each market.

Yep, clean electricity will be essential else we are just moving the problem. Bit like compact fluoros where more energy is consumed making them than saved, and the Govt's climatechange website advises "At present, CFLs can generally be disposed of in regular garbage bins - where the garbage goes to landfill." LCA starts when the iron is refined and finished when disposal is complete. I took my collection of batteries to a local place and was told they don't recycle, just throw them out!

Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

Even when it is the engine, most people dont seperate cylinder count from displacement, and its the latter that only matters.

True. Small block vs big block; 1.6l Golf TDI vs 3.2l Pajero.

[mik]

the v8 has heeps of life left in it, fuel is still relatively cheap compared to all the other costs, i`d be more concerned about buying the groceries each week, not to mention our power bill just went on the 1st of July, etc,etc.

[last fairlane]

Ford Vedette I dont think so
it was a Simca part of the Chrysler/ Roots group
but it did have a side valve ford V8 engine
just like the Ford Pilot
remember the small Valiant Centura with the 245 Hemi
well they were Simca 180s like the Toranas were Vauxhall Vivas
and the Aussie companies put six cylinder motors in them
thanks

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

Even when it is the engine, most people dont seperate cylinder count from displacement, and its the latter that only matters.

Could you imagine a 6L I-4? I wonder what it would sound like?

[JG33]

The world is changing as also driving habits and stricter emission laws, I can't see V8's still being mass produced by any car manufacturer in 10 years.
I read an article that young Americans are driving less than before and also getting their licences at a later age so the need of a V8 simply to get from point A to point B isn't economical and we're talking about the US the Mecca for V8's, no doubt it is the same in other parts of the world.
What's the point in making V8 engines when a smaller one's that is cheaper to make will do the same job.

We are a dying breed, the next generation will see us and our V8's as something from the Dinosaur age.

[Shonky.]

Originally Posted by chevypower

Could you imagine a 6L I-4? I wonder what it would sound like?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc87L...feature=relmfu

[TMC]

Chrysler - V8 available? Yes V10 available? Yes
GM - V8 available? Yes V10 available? No
Ford - V8 available? No V10 available? No

Ford. - The car manufacturer that says "No" more than the others.

[FPV GTHO]

Well at this moment, Ford still offers both a V8 and a V10 still so I don't really see what you're getting at with that comparison.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by TMC

Chrysler - V8 available? Yes V10 available? Yes
GM - V8 available? Yes V10 available? No
Ford - V8 available? No V10 available? No

Ford. - The car manufacturer that says "No" more than the others.

Well, they just released the coyote, so...i don't get what you are saying?

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by TMC

Chrysler - V8 available? Yes V10 available? Yes
GM - V8 available? Yes V10 available? No
Ford - V8 available? No V10 available? No

Ford. - The car manufacturer that says "No" more than the others.

...... I think you get the jist from the above.

[TMC]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Well, they just released the coyote, so...i don't get what you are saying?

That is now. Original post is what Ford is intending in the future. Didn't you read it?

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by TMC

That is now. Original post is what Ford is intending in the future. Didn't you read it?

Yes...and there was nothing about V8's being killed off, just that investment will be reduced...

Coyote still has at least 10 years in it...

[2011G6E]

They're just not popular to the general public anymore. Oh sure, there'sa small niche market, but you can't subsidise the production of a few cars with everyone elses cars...

Especially in Queensland...I'm in a position now where we can have a V8 in our old WB ute I'm doing up at the moment...but for years we couldn't, even if we wanted to. Even forgetting the increased fuel useage, in this state it's a grand-plus a year in registration costs. I mean, to keep our ute on the road I'm going to have to plan to work a few days off to get the massive wad of cash together for rego time, but we'll manage.

But I remember a time when V8's were the norm for a family if they had a big caravan or a large boat or horse float...but those days are gone too, since the advent of powerful comfortable turbo diesel four wheel drives. Some of them are V8's too, but you save on the fuel costs with a diesel somewhat, however many traditional Landcruiser owners turned away or kept thier old six cylinder 100 series cruisers when the new V8-only 200 series came out because of the rego costs. As I said, in Queensland anyway...don't know about other states.

But as for the death of the Ford V8...I've seen it all before, with the wailing and nashing of teeth back in 1982. Of course, losing an asthmatic old fuel guzzling 160kw V8 like the 351 ended up as was no great loss...

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by TMC

That is now. Original post is what Ford is intending in the future. Didn't you read it?

You added 1+1 and got 57. No where in the OP's post did the guy from Ford Europe say they will drop the V8, and its not up to him anyway, cause he's from Ford Europe who don't sell any V8's anyway.

The yanks will not give up V8's until they are pried from their cold dead fingers.

[TMC]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

You added 1+1 and got 57. No where in the OP's post did the guy from Ford Europe say they will drop the V8, and its not up to him anyway, cause he's from Ford Europe who don't sell any V8's anyway.

The yanks will not give up V8's until they are pried from their cold dead fingers.

OK OK. Didn't mean to get everyone upset.

When a company says they will not bother developing this or that, what conclusions are there to be drawn? None of the others have said anything like that as far as I know.

I hope the yanks stick to their V8's. Imagine a Mustang with anything less? I can't.

[FPV GTHO]

I could say Ford is guaranteed a V8 for a considerable time still courtesy of F series, but looking at V6 Ecoboost it's doing the job at the moment. If Ford were to look at their next all new V8 as something starting in the 4l range it would have a lot of interesting possibilities, such as only being available in Ecoboost even. But you have to wonder, with the rumoured 2.7 V6, are Ford done with their large capacity V6's, and if they're not and emissions regs look to kill off large capacity naturally aspirated engines, do they already have a good enough base package with the current 3.5 Ecoboost.