Vfacts June 2021 Ford finishes 3rd

[FTE217]

That Tesla DA is base spec and white only....
Do some add ons, its no game changer yet no matter the bait of rebate etc....

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by FTE217

That Tesla DA is base spec and white only....
Do some add ons, its no game changer yet.

I would certainly be waiting at least another 5 years before I get excited about EV..it will take that long min for infrastructure to be decent even if they started today.

[russellw]

The Supplementary stats for Quarter 2 are bow uploaded to the portal.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by Polyal

I would certainly be waiting at least another 5 years before I get excited about EV..it will take that long min for infrastructure to be decent even if they started today.

Just did a quote with some of the fruit I'd have.
Performance pack, feck the self driving (another $10k) I don't wish for.
$95k DA - $89,477 after est savings quotes.
yeh nup.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Polyal

I would certainly be waiting at least another 5 years before I get excited about EV..it will take that long min for infrastructure to be decent even if they started today.

And eventually the price of the battery etc will be lower than a ICE engine and the systems in a vehicle to run that powertrain.

As volumes increase, and battery production systems evolve, an EV will be cheaper than a comparable ICE vehicle.

It’s going to happen.

[galaxy xr8]

Originally Posted by csv8

galaxyxr8 This is the Kluger servicing cost. 2021
"Kluger
GXL 2WD 3.5L Petrol
Odometer Reading
Providing your approximate odometer reading allows us to provide you with a more accurate service price (optional).
Your Service
TOYOTA SERVICE ADVANTAGE* 12 months or 15,000kms
$250.00"
https://www.toyota.com.au/owners/ser...G9M668003O2A2A

Thats not as bad then, they must have changed their servicing schedules which now looking at those capped price services, you can see the lure or attraction for some.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by FTE217

Just did a quote with some of the fruit I'd have.
Performance pack, feck the self driving (another $10k) I don't wish for.
$95k DA - $89,477 after est savings quotes.
yeh nup.

Hmmm, I can think of better ways to spend $89 - $95K...............







I'm not anti-electric car, but I'll be burning hydrocarbons for as long as I allowed to!

[zilo]

Originally Posted by FTE217

Just did a quote with some of the fruit I'd have.
Performance pack, feck the self driving (another $10k) I don't wish for.
$95k DA - $89,477 after est savings quotes.
yeh nup.

Tesla cars are only for people interested in performance vehicles though.

You could pay the same for a HSV or FP6 and be embarrassed by a grandmother driving a Tesla....


Where is Ford's high performance EV is the question?

[XR Martin]

Mach-e GT does 0-60mph in 3.5 seconds.
Is that high performance enough?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

Mach-e GT does 0-60mph in 3.5 seconds.
Is that high performance enough?

It's a 2250KG SUV which is fast in a straight line that handles like a dog on lino - so no that's not high performance enough

When you go down the range, the premium AWD version gets pipped to the 100km/h mark by the Ecoboost Mustang which also goes around corners better.

It'll be a cold day in hell when we hold up SUVs as 'performance vehicles' - what do all the cars in DFB's post above have in common aside from internal combustion engines.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

It's a 2250KG SUV which is fast in a straight line that handles like a dog on lino - so no that's not high performance enough

When you go down the range, the premium AWD version gets pipped to the 100km/h mark by the Ecoboost Mustang which also goes around corners better.

It'll be a cold day in hell when we hold up SUVs as 'performance vehicles' - what do all the cars in DFB's post above have in common aside from internal combustion engines.

EV’s have very low centre of gravity due to the batteries being in the floor. The mach e does handle very well due to this.

[russellw]

The Quarter 2 Segment Summary is also now available in the portal.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

Mach-e GT does 0-60mph in 3.5 seconds.
Is that high performance enough?

Is it under $60k drive away?



and the klm range is?........

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

And eventually the price of the battery etc will be lower than a ICE engine and the systems in a vehicle to run that powertrain.

As volumes increase, and battery production systems evolve, an EV will be cheaper than a comparable ICE vehicle.

It’s going to happen.

I wonder if this will happen for Ranger and Everest in our market or do they have
enough V6 diesel in front of them to stave off electrification for say, 5-10 years?

I guess that’s something only the high ups in Ford know for sure, the rest are just guessing…

[MrZ]

Originally Posted by russellw

The Quarter 2 Segment Summary is also now available in the portal.

Hi Russ - just letting you know in the people mover segment, you only list the percentages but not the actual figures themselves. i.e. there's only one graph when there should be 2.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Hmmm, I can think of better ways to spend $89 - $95K...............

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I'm not anti-electric car, but I'll be burning hydrocarbons for as long as I allowed to!

I'll have both Thanks!

[kypez]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I wonder if this will happen for Ranger and Everest in our market or do they have
enough V6 diesel in front of them to stave off electrification for say, 5-10 years?

I guess that’s something only the high ups in Ford know for sure, the rest are just guessing…

I hope it happens sooner rather than later. Get rid of these weak and slow Turbo diesels. I'd be more than happy to own a EV Ute. Its why I have a Cybertruck on order. Who wouldn't like a car that goes 0-100 in 3 seconds and can tow (far enough for me).

[kypez]

Originally Posted by zilo

Word is that the Tesla model 3 will sell for under $60k drive away price with the NSW waiver of stamp duty for electric cars from september.

That is an absolute game changer.

Sucks if you paid $73k a year ago...

Depends on how many kms you did and how long you'll keep the car. If you get the incentive, you'll pay the 2.5 cents per kms road tax in 2027 or when we hit 30% new car sales as EVs. If you don't take the incentives, you don't pay that ever. Also, if you did 20,000 kms vs driving your ICE car, you're probably $3k to $5k ahead over the last year so its not as bad or big a hit in the scheme of things (depending on how long you keep the car for).

[kypez]

Originally Posted by FTE217

Just did a quote with some of the fruit I'd have.

Performance pack, feck the self driving (another $10k) I don't wish for.

$95k DA - $89,477 after est savings quotes.

yeh nup.

Name another car under $100 k that does 0-100 in under 3.5 seconds, a 11.5 quarter mile and handles on par with a M3, seats 5 all while costing $1.10 per 100 kms and factory warranty?!


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[jpd80]

Originally Posted by kypez

I hope it happens sooner rather than later. Get rid of these weak and slow Turbo diesels. I'd be more than happy to own a EV Ute. Its why I have a Cybertruck on order. Who wouldn't like a car that goes 0-100 in 3 seconds and can tow (far enough for me).

Without significant funding of charging infrastructure, you’re really limited to where you can go, it’s all right for those who mostly charge at home each night but for anyone travelling and doing lots of kms everyday, a BEV is still heavily restricted on where it can go and still get good fast charging. That will change in time but expecting spread outside of early adopters willing to take a chance is not realistic. Let the infrastructure build up around costal cities first for maximum bang for bucks, then conquer rural areas.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Without significant funding of charging infrastructure, you’re really limited to where you can go, it’s all right for those who mostly charge at home each night but for anyone travelling and doing lots of kms everyday, a BEV is still heavily restricted on where it can go and still get good fast charging. That will change in time but expecting spread outside of early adopters willing to take a chance is not realistic. Let the infrastructure build up around costal cities first for maximum bang for bucks, then conquer rural areas.

Infrastructure is very good at the moment and getting better everyday. Equally, it's not as bad as many think especially around the eastern seaboard and regional Vic, NSW and QLD.

Here is just a quick view of all the chargers available at the moment. You're connected to Bourke.

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[jpd80]

Originally Posted by kypez

Infrastructure is very good at the moment and getting better everyday. Equally, it's not as bad as many think especially around the eastern seaboard and regional Vic, NSW and QLD.

Glad you think so,
Regional Queensland is dreadful, once you’re away from the coast, there’s virtually nothing
and given the amount of people in mid western NSW, charge facilities are still light on the ground.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Glad you think so,

Regional Queensland is dreadful, once you’re away from the coast, there’s virtually nothing

and given the amount of people in mid western NSW, charge facilities are still light on the ground.

No doubt. QLD just announced an upgrade all the way into central QLD. It's coming.

NSW is light but people don't usually do 500 kms a day. Some do and of course EVs might not be. But a lot in regional don't do that distance as a round trip so they do have a use case. Lots of EVs in rural areas as they like the lack of need for servicing and no fuel requirements.

EVs aren't all things for everyone. Just like pathetic diesel dual cabs are not for me but seems a lot of people like them (mostly for the tax benefits than the vehicle itself).

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[jpd80]

Originally Posted by kypez

No doubt. QLD just announced an upgrade all the way into central QLD. It's coming.

NSW is light but people don't usually do 500 kms a day. Some do and of course EVs might not be. But a lot in regional don't do that distance as a round trip so they do have a use case. Lots of EVs in rural areas as they like the lack of need for servicing and no fuel requirements.

EVs aren't all things for everyone. Just like pathetic diesel dual cabs are not for me but seems a lot of people like them (mostly for the tax benefits than the vehicle itself).

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Agreed, on those points I like how we respect each other’s differences, electrification is rolling out.
Their main market is all those costal population areas where most of the charge locations are,
win the hearts of commuters first and expand to other vehicles as the network grows.
Lots of future sales there before ever fully replacing ICEs and Hybrids….


In respect to Diesel utes,
What really annoys me about diesel is Bosch and how they lock down the advance of tech until they’re ready.
After dieselgate and almost by magic, they reveal a new emissions strategy that lowers NOX to 1/10th of 2020 level.
Unsurprisingly, the system can’t be retrofitted to existing diesels, talk about revealing hubris and self interest
especially when the main idea is keeping exhaust temperature to at least 200C, normally hard in city running.
They had to have known for decades that was needed and did nothing……

[GCRXR6]

Those wondering about infrastucture, should remember when the ICE automobiles were appearing, there was a lack of fuel stations. Yes, plenty of hay stacks and farriers, but few bowsers and mechanics to fix these strange smoke blowing contraptions.

[turbo4]

Originally Posted by GCRXR6

Those wondering about infrastucture, should remember when the ICE automobiles were appearing, there was a lack of fuel stations. Yes, plenty of hay stacks and farriers, but few bowsers and mechanics to fix these strange smoke blowing contraptions.

The government didn't have to install fuel bowsers though. Unfortunately the taxpayer is going to have to foot the bill for the infrastructure required to allow everyone to own an EV

[kypez]

Originally Posted by turbo4

The government didn't have to install fuel bowsers though. Unfortunately the taxpayer is going to have to foot the bill for the infrastructure required to allow everyone to own an EV

Most charging stations are Privately funded in this country. Its a tiny percentage that are Govt funded and mostly in QLD.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by kypez

Name another car under $100 k that does 0-100 in under 3.5 seconds, a 11.5 quarter mile and handles on par with a M3, seats 5 all while costing $1.10 per 100 kms and factory warranty?!


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Barring the HO and its obvious clout in the market from release, I don't know any of us Falcon buyers pulling out of the purchase because its not delivering fast figures of the times ! .
Really.....

[kypez]

Originally Posted by FTE217

Barring the HO and its obvious clout in the market from release, I don't know any of us Falcon buyers pulling out of the purchase because its not delivering fast figures of the times ! .
Really.....

Outside of the Mustang, which doesn't really work as a family hack, there is nothing under $100k that sounds nice! The Supra, M2, every bloody GOLF, they sound like rubbish! So, rather than subject myself to that disgusting soundtrack, I'd rather buy the EV thanks. And for $1.10 per 100 kms, and all that performance to boot, why bother with the others.

People bought Falcons (outside of the Aussie angle) because they were big, could seat 5, cheap to run, decent performance and easy to fix. The Model 3 cabin is the same size as a Falcon cabin and does all of that and more (though for considerable initial outlay but you make that back in time with small fuel costs).

And from the Sales figures, it looks like a lot of people in that Medium size between $60k - $90k bracket agree as the numbers speak for themselves.

I prefer not to buy second hand cars. Never know what their history is and besides, they are probably better relegated to history. IMO.

But there is never a right or wrong answer. Its an opinion here and not a logical decision. I love V8's... I also like EVs. I am fortunate to have the best V8 Manual on sale at the moment under $100k. I'm fortunate to have the same in the EV world.

[FTE217]

All your opinion buddy, very one eyed/tracked.
Thank goodness many are different.