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Old 04-08-2016, 10:53 PM   #91
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It starts with someone coming up with a third 'gender'. Then someone else sees that and decides to combine that with something else and come up with a fourth 'gender' and it flows on from there.

People are bored these days. They have way too much time to think of things and come up with rubbish. It's the same as governments who come up with idiotic policies. There are over 150,000 public servants in Australia and they are mostly very highly paid and they have to come up with something to show for the money. If you don't believe me a group receiving government funds have called for South Australia to regulate the size of their chicken parmigiana's. Sounds crazy I know but Google it, it's very real.

I know it seems off topic but my point is it starts somewhere. And from there it just snowballs. I'm all for men, women, gay, straight, bi, transgender, but bloody hell there are not 33 genders. That's just dumb.
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Here is another one to kick off the discussion:

LGBTQ Scholarship:

http://www.news.com.au/finance/money...14014712e3c400

What about a scholarship for specifically a straight white male?
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Now that there are two of us you will all be undergoing training headed up by Human Resources on how to work with spaceships on the forum and spaceship sensitivity training, there will also be some roleplays where you get to identify as spaceships
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This thread just proves how sensitive everyone has become with all this PC bull****. Go and do yourselves a favour and lookup Agro Cartoon Connection outtakes on Youtube.
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Gender fluid like milk innit.

Low fat no fat full cream high calcium high protein soy light skim omega 3 high calcium with vitamin d and folate or extra dollop?

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Big Damo, on behalf of all space cadets everywhere, of which there are 5678 species, containing 633 genders and sub normative cis bits, with 947 basic cultural traits divided into sub dominant mores; the total population numbering 3 of; I take umbrage at the thought of you being oppressed by a society that is clearly not making an effort to include your special needs...
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I asked my AU this question after reading thru this thread, he said he was a spaceship but actually wants to be a rocket ship now! My AU asks can he just change his name by deed poll to rocket ship or does he have to go under the knife & be reassigned surgically before applying? Will BPR look after him if I send him there for the procedure?

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What I'm bothered about now is when you go to porn sites and it asks if you're a man or a woman, and if your interested in men or women.
I kinda want all 33 options of which porn I wish to view now.
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bigot, noun. Someone who does not agree with my progressive views.

One is not a bigot because they don't divest themselves of common traditional values to sing from the socially progressive hymn book. The more this word is used as an attack/shut down argument weapon by SJWs, the more irrelevant its meaning is becoming...
Not to be caught up in semantics but a bigot would refuse to look at outside of their own opinion. My whole message is around oppression; not just strictly but inclusive of gender identity.
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Because statistically, it is the majority that determine what is normal. A tiny fraction of the population that identify as a gender they were not born with is by definition aberrant/abnormal.



No, its simply not accepting your definition of what is or isnt normal.



No, we're talking about mental/neurological illness. There are illnesses that are psychological in basis that can be managed via counselling, etc. There are illnesses that are hard-wired and cannot be medicated away (eg. autism, some types of gender identity disorder, etc). But they are illnesses and should be described as so. There is nothing *normal* about identifying as a gender you were not born with biologically, and its ridiculous to be teaching kids that it is. Medically, we should be aiming for a way in which this can be treated.
My message is about allowing other people to have an opinion based on their own identity, not my idea of identity. Let people have their own narrative.

Show me evidence that gender identity outside the heterosexual white male perspective is caused by 'mental health' and can be managed via such counselling methods. From my social work knowledgebase such form of psychotherapy does not exist, well certainly not any material I have come across.
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Pretty much where i sit aswell. I couldnt give a flying you know what on this topic. Be who you are whatever potato
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My message is about allowing other people to have an opinion based on their own identity, not my idea of identity. Let people have their own narrative.
Anyone can have any opinion they wish. But legitimising that opinion at an official level is another issue entirely. Male. Female. Other. Simple. Not enough options on government forms for you? Too bad.
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Wifey got some the other day, man it was good, but about $4 for 750ml.
I've never had 'real milk' before, where does one buy this from?
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Not to be caught up in semantics but a bigot would refuse to look at outside of their own opinion. My whole message is around oppression; not just strictly but inclusive of gender identity.
I understand the point you are making rbm but an opinion, reasoned or not, is clearly different to the workings of a rabid minority intent on wreaking their totalitarian perversions on society in the name of some manufactured rights, equality or tolerance. This is social engineering that allows a tiny minority to dictate what is 'correct' to the majority...

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If you don't believe me a group receiving government funds have called for South Australia to regulate the size of their chicken parmigiana's. Sounds crazy I know but Google it, it's very real.
I did Google it. FML this world has completely gone out of control. I wonder if we will ever go back to just having common sense and being normal.

Like seriously, if you can't finish your chicken parmigiana toughen up and make an effort and push it in till your back hurts (what I do) or get a doggy bag to take it home.
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I read this page and just became hungry. I love a good chicken parmi.
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This is it.
I remember it being just like this when I was a kid, getting milk delivered in glass bottles with this big chunk of cream on top.

http://www.pauls.com.au/products/mil...-cream-on-top/
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This is it.
I remember it being just like this when I was a kid, getting milk delivered in glass bottles with this big chunk of cream on top.

http://www.pauls.com.au/products/mil...-cream-on-top/
I will ty it, if their Double Thick Custard is anything to go by this stuff will be worth the $$

This stuff is supposed to be good, and high in protein, have not tried it but will give it a run once I get back into my weight training which I am having a break from at the moment.

http://www.thecompletedairy.com.au/products
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This is it.
I remember it being just like this when I was a kid, getting milk delivered in glass bottles with this big chunk of cream on top.

http://www.pauls.com.au/products/mil...-cream-on-top/
Milk has been delivered by trucks to supermarkets in plastic bottles my entire existence, I'm a little bit excited to give this old school milk in a glass bottle a try
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Sorry to burst ya bubble, this one is in plastic, but it tastes like the old stuff in glass bottles.
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Big Damo, if milf with cream excites you then might I suggest... Oh you mean milk. Yeah that's good too...
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Gender politics (YES, politics) is sadly a diversion from real issues in the world.
Before we simply had two mainstream genders male or female, with the distant cousin third gender (often spoken about in hushed tones), who formerly would occupy the other 31 variables.
The fact that this silent third has been extrapolated into another 31 is symptomatic of the grievance poker playing, professionally outraged industry.

Put simply, we're being lied to. Whilst the world is discussing the LGBTQWERTY nonsense - the trivialities of not being offended or taking offense, ISIS and their ilk has declared war on the world (they told us last year they would conquer the world with their global caliphate), and we have become so desensitized to the daily war being waged throughout Europe and the west.
Whenever there's an atrocious terrorist incident like the one in Nice we light candles and setup hashtags, but after that life goes on and the biggest story the next day (true, google it) is that Caitlyn Jenner wants to become a man again. Seriously, WTF is wrong with our priorities?

The amount of security scares I've witnessed around air-side installations is truly frightening, and the lefty media ensure the population is numbed down by stories of the Bachelor and other idiotic fodder for the idiots to consume en-mass.

The USA is the engine room for this pig ignorant, public dumbing down of the populace which has seen the president reinvigorate racial tensions not seen since Martin Luther King, as well as cause deaths prompted by a hashtag on whose lives are more valuable than others. To confound matters further, SJW's (useful idiots) who are perpetually outraged over everything have inspired the diversification of sexual identity only to confuse the masses and ensure that no matter how neutral, how politically correct and impartial; you can be offending someone, any where, any time.
It's madness.
Sorry to the LGBQWERTY mob, you may have real grievances and I empathise; but you're being used by a PC agenda run by governments, enforced by media hellbent on stopping the citizenry raising up against the traitors in charge as the worlds most violent cult succeeds (albeit slowly) in conquering the world.
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