VFACTS January 2013

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by ShootsWithFilm

Why is he not putting the boot into Toyota? Combined sales of the Camry/Aurion was 784 units...

And even at full RRP the Camry runs at a loss.

[Bossxr8]

Why are people looking at January's figures and saying geez they are low. The factory builds to order and only worked 2 weeks, what do you expect?

You'd expect them to be up around 1200 or so next month based on a full month of production. December and January are never going to be good months.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Why are people looking at January's figures and saying geez they are low. The factory builds to order and only worked 2 weeks, what do you expect?

You'd expect them to be up around 1200 or so next month based on a full month of production. December and January are never going to be good months.

Not to mention the fact that you lose a week in transport... I don't think there's many 2013 Falcons in holding yards yet.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by DASH GT

Not to mention the fact that you lose a week in transport... I don't think there's many 2013 Falcons in holding yards yet.

That's right the whole idea in January was for a 2012 plate sale and
I'd think that most 2012 plate Falcons and Territorys were sold....

Which as you say, means that Ford's 2013 Falcon Territory Inventory would also be very low..

We must remember that Broadmeadows production is now limited to just over 3,000 vehicles a month
and in a full month, they will only produce about 1400 each of Falcon and Territory and about 400 Utes.

Forget about ever selling 2,000 or 3,000 Falcons a month, the Factory can't produce that much.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by mik

pretty sad another replacement hose could`nt be sourced from elsewhere.

Pretty sure its the same company that holds up LPi production.

Originally Posted by jpd80

Forget about ever selling 2,000 or 3,000 Falcons a month, the Factory can't produce that much.

^ this.
Also you'll find that Ford sold more locally built Fords then what was built in Dec/Jan.

[Resurrection]

Originally Posted by ShootsWithFilm

Why is he not putting the boot into Toyota? Combined sales of the Camry/Aurion was 784 units...

I agree. The Aurion/Camry are the newest of the local models. For their sales to also be down is a big concern. If new products don't entice buyers, what will?

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

I agree. The Aurion/Camry are the newest of the local models. For their sales to also be down is a big concern. If new products don't entice buyers, what will?

What Toyota did was pull all their sales forward with discounts and zero percent financing.

What happened with Focus was a little different, a lot of people actually discovered how great it was
and took up Ford's 2.9% offer. I'm just concerned that Ford didn't keep going with it for a few more months.

It's pretty worrying when the top seller in the land is around 3300 sales, maybe Corolla/ Cruze buyers switched to Focus?

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by jpd80

That's right the whole idea in January was for a 2012 plate sale and
I'd think that most 2012 plate Falcons and Territorys were sold....

Which as you say, means that Ford's 2013 Falcon Territory Inventory would also be very low..

We must remember that Broadmeadows production is now limited to just over 3,000 vehicles a month
and in a full month, they will only produce about 1400 each of Falcon and Territory and about 400 Utes.

Forget about ever selling 2,000 or 3,000 Falcons a month, the Factory can't produce that much.

Ohh Joshua...JOSHUA?! Are you reading this? Facts mate, facts. Not dribble you've concocted yourself on Twatter.

[ryeman]

International demand for EcoBoost engines mean supply simply can't keep up!

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by jpd80

It's pretty worrying when the top seller in the land is around 3300 sales, maybe Corolla/ Cruze buyers switched to Focus?

What none of the articles mention is the fact Mazda 3 had a bad month. It was down 17.3% (4045 v 3345) from last year.

[The Snout]

If you're going to stick your hand out for Govt money to build cars here then your figures are going to be scrutinized closer than the imports.

[ryeman]

The ONLY manufacturers who live and die by VFACTS are OURS!
We're just a tiny bit of cream on the cake for the others.

[turbodewd]

If you are concerned about the state of the local auto industry do what I do. Look up your Federal and State members of parliament and email them insisting that all govt bodies buy local. Ignore that fckin Green Car Guide, what good will that be if we have no auto worker jobs!

Considering the economic climate and our huge reliance on mining, if China catches a cold we are headed south big time!

[ryeman]

Why won't they buy the EcoLpi FFS?

[Road_Warrior]

Mmm, there was an article on GoAuto last year that broke down the percentages of federal, state and local government fleets by % imported versus % locally made.

Good 'ol Wait Awhile had the lowest for a State/Territory government of locally made cars, 30%. Local governments as a whole 25%.

[Poetic Justice]

Can I get some clarity here?

I am a Toyota biased person as I have worked for them for almost 7 years now, but do respect Ford and still love Ford.

In this thread people have suggested stock would be down due to factory closures over the christmas break etc at Ford...

Why would this not be the same excuse Toyota could use? The 0% campaign was a runaway success, yes, so much so that all available stocks were gone. When the campaign started there was approximately 3000 vehicles sitting in holding yards without a home. The object was to clear all stock and they certainly did that.

Sitting here today, the dealership I work for which usually sells approximately 15-20 Camry/Aurions. We currently have about 3 available in stock for delivery and only expecting 1 extra vehicle to arrive this month. So in answer to the Camry/Aurion comments, it is wholely stock that has prevented those numbers from being higher. They will bounce back between now and April.

[ryeman]

One month!
Pointless!

[Brazen]

Originally Posted by SCUD

Can I get some clarity here?

I am a Toyota biased person as I have worked for them for almost 7 years now, but do respect Ford and still love Ford.

In this thread people have suggested stock would be down due to factory closures over the christmas break etc at Ford...

Why would this not be the same excuse Toyota could use? The 0% campaign was a runaway success, yes, so much so that all available stocks were gone. When the campaign started there was approximately 3000 vehicles sitting in holding yards without a home. The object was to clear all stock and they certainly did that.

Sitting here today, the dealership I work for which usually sells approximately 15-20 Camry/Aurions. We currently have about 3 available in stock for delivery and only expecting 1 extra vehicle to arrive this month. So in answer to the Camry/Aurion comments, it is wholely stock that has prevented those numbers from being higher. They will bounce back between now and April.

They will recover by March/April, all available stock has basically been sold. They sold 14,000 Camrys and Aurions in the final 3 months of 2012. I got the last Hybrid H in early December my dealer had in stock before the 31 December deadline. They had already run out of other Camry and Aurion variants in November with no stock till Feb. They were turning away customers especially for the Hybrid HL and some of the high spec Camry Atara and Aurion models.

I wonder how they made money on it though with the 0%. Comparing the 0% interest rate to my credit union rate meant that looking at the maths I had bought the car for the equivalent of $24,900 if I had to finance with a rate of 7.99 %pa with the same loan terms including balloon payment. A low interest rate makes a massive difference!

Toyota Australia have recently raised another $280 mill on the Japanese bond market so they may be looking at another campaign soon.

[jpd80]

Was January all that bad for Falcon/Territory?

Jan 2012
Falcon 931
Territory 808

Jan 2013
Falcon 780
Territory 1150 odd

If anything, Ford had a better trans positional response with local product compared to 2012,
Territory clearly demands more money than mosrt falcon variants, I see that as a win over 2012.

and lets not forget
Ranger up 208%
Focus up 50%
Fiesta up 43%


Nah, let's listen to all the shyte baggers who have nothin' good to say about Ford..

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by SCUD

Can I get some clarity here?

I am a Toyota biased person as I have worked for them for almost 7 years now, but do respect Ford and still love Ford.

In this thread people have suggested stock would be down due to factory closures over the christmas break etc at Ford...

Why would this not be the same excuse Toyota could use? The 0% campaign was a runaway success, yes, so much so that all available stocks were gone. When the campaign started there was approximately 3000 vehicles sitting in holding yards without a home. The object was to clear all stock and they certainly did that.

Sitting here today, the dealership I work for which usually sells approximately 15-20 Camry/Aurions. We currently have about 3 available in stock for delivery and only expecting 1 extra vehicle to arrive this month. So in answer to the Camry/Aurion comments, it is wholely stock that has prevented those numbers from being higher. They will bounce back between now and April.

And that's why I said it induces a massive pull forward of sales.....

Would Toyota have continued their 0% sales campaign if they had another 3,000 Camrys siting there?
I don't think so, it was purely to get rid of as you said, 3,000 2012 plate Camrys that had built up.

By comparison, Ford had no stock to speak of and basically traded Falcon sales for Territory and did well from that.
I recon all the 2012 import stock is gone too, the big jump in Fiesta, Focus and Ranger sales would have used everything up.

In tight times, it's important to not over produce and wind up with very expensive parking lots.

[Mercury 8]

Looking at the stock list of the biggest dealer in Queensland they don't have a Focus Trend in stock and only a couple of Sports, they usually have whatever colour you want in all combo's. They had a good month. Heaps of Ambiente and good stock of Titanium though.

[olds]

The whole out of stock thing is a load of crap . People research what they want go out and order it . Full stop . If you have researched "product A " and found it to be a superior product you wont buy " product B " just because " product A" is out of stock . You will wait for what you have decided is the best value to be available . I think the sales figures support this . Demand dictates supply in the real world.

[Brazen]

Originally Posted by jpd80

And that's why I said it induces a massive pull forward of sales.....

Would Toyota have continued their 0% sales campaign if they had another 3,000 Camrys siting there?
I don't think so, it was purely to get rid of as you said, 3,000 2012 plate Camrys that had built up.

By comparison, Ford had no stock to speak of and basically traded Falcon sales for Territory and did well from that.
I recon all the 2012 import stock is gone too, the big jump in Fiesta, Focus and Ranger sales would have used everything up.

In tight times, it's important to not over produce and wind up with very expensive parking lots.

The whole pull forward theory is interesting, I guess it is best to operate under the 'a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush' mantra. Get the sale on the board even if the risk is simply that you are subsidising a purchase that would have been made sometime down the track. Frankly I don't buy the pull forward theory in today's market, the market is way too fragmented to suggest there were thousands of Camry buyers waiting in the woodwork. My gut suggests that most buyers were new to the Camry brand like myself, and these buyers simply jumped on a good deal when they saw one.

Falcon at 29,990 drive away at 2.9% pa would hit the sweet spot. I really do hope Ford try something like this. I think Falcon needs a good news story and a big month will get some positivity and breed future sales. I will go blue in the face saying that Falcon doesn't have a problem with style, features, quality, fuel economy, power or space. It's problem is price.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Brazen

The whole pull forward theory is interesting, I guess it is best to operate under the 'a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush' mantra. Get the sale on the board even if the risk is simply that you are subsidising a purchase that would have been made sometime down the track. Frankly I don't buy the pull forward theory in today's market, the market is way too fragmented to suggest there were thousands of Camry buyers waiting in the woodwork. My gut suggests that most buyers were new to the Camry brand like myself, and these buyers simply jumped on a good deal when they saw one.

Falcon at 29,990 drive away at 2.9% pa would hit the sweet spot. I really do hope Ford try something like this. I think Falcon needs a good news story and a big month will get some positivity and breed future sales. I will go blue in the face saying that Falcon doesn't have a problem with style, features, quality, fuel economy, power or space. It's problem is price.

I can understand what you're saying Brazen but there's two different situations going on,
Toyota had an over supply of something like 3,000 Camrys, so Toyota discounted them and practically
threw them out the door with zero percent financing as a cherry, basically subventing another $4,000 in profit.

Ford on the other hand has basically nill excess capacity sitting there, all the 2012 plates are basically gone.
The philosophy as far as Ford is concerned is that they don't make excess in the first place.

[Brazen]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I can understand what you're saying Brazen but there's two different situations going on,
Toyota had an over supply of something like 3,000 Camrys, so toyota discounted them
and threw them out the door at zero percent financing, basically subventing another $4,000 in profit.

Ford on the other hand has basically nill excess capacity sitting there, all the 2012 plates are basically gone.
The philosophy as far as Ford is concerned is that they don't make excess in the first place.

Ah yep I see what you saying, why discount if you don't have a lot of stock anyway.

I guess it would just be nice to see Falcon as a volume player, surely Ford can alter their business plan simply to make me feel happy? :-)

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by olds

The whole out of stock thing is a load of crap . People research what they want go out and order it . Full stop . If you have researched "product A " and found it to be a superior product you wont buy " product B " just because " product A" is out of stock . You will wait for what you have decided is the best value to be available . I think the sales figures support this . Demand dictates supply in the real world.

And this is where you are 110% wrong.. One of my friends said to me they wanted car “x”, but it was a 3 month wait, so went with car Y because they could delivery ASAP. If may think this does not happen, but it does!!


Personally I don’t get it myself, as I'll wait 3 months just for the right colour, let alone the right model. But some people just don’t care about cars & want to get from A to B.

[csv8]

You expect to wait for an overseas car but a car made here ? wait 3 months ?? that shouldn't happen.. Most people decide to buy a car and want it now not in 3 months time..
thats how people are....its 6- 8 weeks for a Tezza !!!

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by csv8

You expect to wait for an overseas car but a car made here ? wait 3 months ?? that shouldn't happen.. Most people decide to buy a car and want it now not in 3 months time..
thats how people are....its 6- 8 weeks for a Tezza !!!

Last time I checked 6-8 weeks isn't 2 months let alone 3, and those wait times are pretty normal for cars on order, that hasn't really changed in years for Falcon and Territory, that always a normal build time for a car that's built to order.

People are waiting 6 months + for Hilux's, 86's, GTI VW's, Rangers etc, so if people want something bad enough they will wait.

[Smoke Pursuit]

There's always Territory stock around...

No need to wait. Nowadays with Fords limited factory options there's little need to order from factory, unless you want something like an XR6 with luxury pack.

Mazda have certainly got things on track with their cars... Max 1 month wait on most their stuff now.

[excopau]

We had to wait 3 months for our corolla 4 years ago, most Toyotas have a waiting period for most colours unless its a bad colour