Park in gear or neutral

[esp302v8]

If your handbrake won't hold your car on a hill get the bloody thing fixed !!! as it is unroadworthy !!!!!


Andy.

[Swordsman88]

Originally Posted by Falc'man

This are some examples that we have waiting in the pipeline, in case one day this thread gets shut down.



"Do you switch you radio off before you turn the car off, or after?"

"Who switches off the ignition before they take their seatbelt off?"

"How many times do you check to see if you locked your car before going to sleep?"

"How much RON is in your tank" /Edit: that's already taken.

"Do you look at the road when driving, or do you stare at the road when driving?"

"When parking at maccas, do you dodge the speed humps, or do you like to feel them?"

"How many threads can you start without looking like you're a post and thread whre?"

BRILLIANT WORK Falc'man.....always one to make me laugh!!!!

Serioulsy though, the one i highlighted is worthy of discussion......if you've seen my mum driving she DEFINITELY Stares LOL!

Oh, and i have a lowered E series....so i definitley love to 'feel' those speed humps.....

[Unco]

Originally Posted by esp302v8

If your handbrake won't hold your car on a hill get the bloody thing fixed !!! as it is unroadworthy !!!!!


Andy.

why would we want to take 95% of X-Series cars off the road?

[Falc'man]

Originally Posted by Swordsman88

BRILLIANT WORK Falc'man.....always one to make me laugh!!!!

Serioulsy though, the one i highlighted is worthy of discussion......if you've seen my mum driving she DEFINITELY Stares LOL!

Oh, and i have a lowered E series....so i definitley love to 'feel' those speed humps.....

LOL fair enough, and I've been guilty of that one myself. Old age I suppose.

Originally Posted by Unco

why would we want to take 95% of X-Series cars off the road?

You're too harsh. Statistics have shown it's closer to 91%.

[nugget378]

Originally Posted by shaynet

And to some of the moderators who posted in this thread and questioned its relevance whilst contributing nothing - one has to wonder about why you hold the position. You should be promoting/supporting safety which is exactly what this thread is about.

were talking about putting a bloody car in gear/park and applying a handbrake,I suggest if anyone has learned anything from reading this thread they hand their license back immediately..

Originally Posted by Falc'man

"How many threads can you start without looking like you're a post and thread whre?"

This post sums up my thoughts on it exactly..

[nugget378]

Originally Posted by Monga

What the is this? If you're going to constantly post like the above, then just leave.

This coming from mr "quality post" quality himself...

[Wally]

Well for all those with an auto, my wife's 6 month old Taurus rolled down our driveway and down the hill with the handbrake on. It was in park because the key can't be withdrawn otherwise. The parking pall pin was not engaging because of a manufacturing fault. 15 minutes later and my kids who played on that driveway after school would have been toast.

Was a time you would fail your driving test if you exited the car without selecting 1st gear. I don't know if this is still the case.

As the discs/drums and pads cool the tension from the hand brake system weakens and you do risk a runaway. Of course you also failed the driving test if you didn't turn the front wheels towards the kerb.

[FTe342]

Originally Posted by nugget378

were talking about putting a bloody car in gear/park and applying a handbrake,I suggest if anyone has learned anything from reading this thread they hand their license back immediately..

Exactly, and there are quite a few who posted (especially in the early part of the thread) that need to do a refresher or have a lesson with Big Trev.

No wonder there are people on the road who can't drive because we have people who can't even park correctly. Make fun of it if you wish, but if the thread saves one accident then it was more than worthwhile.

In another thread that I contibuted to a few years ago, a heap of young guys learnt that you should change down a gear (or more) especially when towing to go down steep hills to save your brakes and prevent then from overheating and failing. Again, something that is in the owners manual.

Clearly, some people do get their license from a "Corn Flakes packet" and its no wonder there are accidents

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by watejs06

When parking a manual : First i let the handbrake hold the cars weight so that there is no weight on the gearbox then i select 3rd gear , this is more than enough to hold the car if the handbrake should fail. plus the natural position of the gear leaver is inline with 3rd and 4th so there is minimal were and tare on the nylon bushes.

an auto : same as about put in neutral let the handbrake take up the weight then select park .

just my 2 bubs worth

I think you may find that a car could roll in 3rd gear on a steep hill. The mechanical leverage third puts on the engine is enough to turn the motor against compression. That is why you roll start a manual in 2nd, not enough mechanical advantage in 1st to overcome compression. That is why all instructors teach 1st gear. Admittedly it would have to be one hell of a hill but if it was and the motor was a bit tired and down on compression, theoretically possible I suppose.

[FPV GT40]

This is really getting silly, not that difficult more than half the people here should just not have a licence full stop, and again if the vehicle manufacturer of all cars recommends to park a manual vehicle in 1st or reverse why do geniuses here still think different???

if the vehicle manufacturer recommends autos to be parked in P and hand brake on why do people still insist that it may cause damage to the car when the thing is build and designed to be used like that??

If people are unable to correctly park a car then no wonder we have accidents on every other street corner....why not just do what you are supposed to do, if it is too hard, you are too lazy or anything else please do us all a favour and catch the bus or train and leave the roads for people that know how to correctly park and drive a car.

I do not really understand how people can argue otherwise as it just displays a lack of either education, knowledge or intelligence(or possibly a combination of all three), if there is a correct way to do something there is really no way to justify otherwise, as you are making yourself responsible for any actions or inactions.

Originally Posted by shaynet

Exactly, and there are quite a few who posted (especially in the early part of the thread) that need to do a refresher or have a lesson with Big Trev.

No wonder there are people on the road who can't drive because we have people who can't even park correctly. Make fun of it if you wish, but if the thread saves one accident then it was more than worthwhile.

In another thread that I contibuted to a few years ago, a heap of young guys learnt that you should change down a gear (or more) especially when towing to go down steep hills to save your brakes and prevent then from overheating and failing. Again, something that is in the owners manual.

Clearly, some people do get their license from a "Corn Flakes packet" and its no wonder there are accidents

I agree. I was amazed that people parked auto's in neutral, I thought it was a given that all auto drivers parked in park.

What's wrong with changing down a gear when towing down steep hills? I've seen the bad effects riding the brakes on hills can have, without towing.

On the motorbike, I came across a guy who smelt something funny, got out of the car and his rotors were bright orange. So of course he decided to put water on them to cool them down.

If I'm in a manual down hills I'll always have it a gear lower than I need and use the compression to slow me down. Obviously I won't maintain 40km/h down a steep incline due to first gear, but lower gears are often recommended in hilly areas.

I don't see what's wrong?

[Peuty]

Originally Posted by Shounak

I don't see what's wrong?

I think he was saying thats what the actually learnt, as in, the weren't using the gears to slow down.

Originally Posted by nugget378

were talking about putting a bloody car in gear/park and applying a handbrake,I suggest if anyone has learned anything from reading this thread they hand their license back immediately..


This post sums up my thoughts on it exactly..

If you don't like the thread, don't post in it.

This has got some good discussion going, some differing opinions and I've learned a few things I didn't know before.

Like someone said above, if even one person starts doing things a bit more safely, then this thread's been a good thing.

This thread's had more discussion than most other threads in this section, probably one of the most in the last few days. This is exactly what a car forum is here for, car related discussion.

Or would you prefer more meaningful discussion on Nietzsche's views on nihilism and the dialectics associated?

[geckoGT]

[QUOTE=FPV GT40]

if the vehicle manufacturer recommends autos to be parked in P and hand brake on why do people still insist that it may cause damage to the car when the thing is build and designed to be used like that??

QUOTE]

What is silly is you are missing the point, no one here has said parking an auto in park on a hill will damage it :

Just saying that going straight to park and allowing the trans to take the wieght of the car will damage it, need to park with the weight on the hand brake and the auto in park as the safety mechanism (what it is designed for). Manufacturers designed park as the safety net, the hand brake is the primary way of stopping the vehicle from rolling. Is it really that hard to understand?

I know that between my army driving courses and paramedic I have done at least 6 advanced driving courses and on every one they have stated the same. I know who I believe, the professionals.

Be careful criticising people on the worthiness to hold a licence, there are very few people here that I could watch drive on public roads and not pick up at least half a dozen unsafe practices/habits. As for seeing the results, I see them averyday at work and I have to say the worst offenders are taxi drivers, truck drivers and mature age males for bad driving casing accidents.

As for driving down steep hills, on all my driver training the teaching is to use a gear down a hill that you would use to go up it when not towing. Therefore if you would need 3rd to go up, then 3rd to go down not 6th. In situations of towing it is one gear down again, so 2nd. This spreads the load of maintaining a safe speed etween the brakes and the engine braking. The recommend this on steep hils in auto's as well, one thing that almost no one does. I do this in the ambulances all the time, just good driving that almost no driving school teaches kids.

[Peuty]

Originally Posted by geckoGT

Just saying that going straight to park and allowing the trans to take the wieght of the car will damage it, need to park with the weight on the hand brake and the auto in park as the safety mechanism (what it is designed for)...

THANK YOU!

Despite what people may have thought, that is what I was trying to get across in my previous posts earlier in this thread.

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by Peuty

THANK YOU!

Despite what people may have thought, that is what I was trying to get across in my previous posts earlier in this thread.

The problem is some people here skim through posts, take out what they think are key points ad then wade in without reading the whole post. Typical, if they read what people said, they might actually learn something.

[WindsorXR]

It's just amazing that everyone is a $h!t driver just coz they don't put their car in gear when they park!!

People are also getting fair touchy about this subject. I say it's up to whoever is driving the car. they are the one parking the car.

Also, not everyone who has a license gets taught to do that, I know i wasn't. So chilllllll!!!!!

[FPV GT40]

Originally Posted by geckoGT

The problem is some people here skim through posts, take out what they think are key points ad then wade in without reading the whole post. Typical, if they read what people said, they might actually learn something.

You yourself state that you park your car in neutral in your driveway as it can not go anywhere, and if it did it would only damage your garage yada yada yada excuse excuse etc....so all these six driving courses you completed were obviously a waste of time and went in one ear and out the other....

I do not really give a crap about auto cars anyway, as I have not driven one for 20 years and am not about to, reading the owners manuals of my cars it clearly states otherwise, no where does it say to put car in neutral before applying hand brake and then put in park.....so if the manufacturer of the vehicle is happy that they have engineered the vehicle to be used in a certain way I am happy with their decision and will follow their advise on the matter.

[FPV GT40]

Originally Posted by BSSXR8

It's just amazing that everyone is a $h!t driver just coz they don't put their car in gear when they park!!

People are also getting fair touchy about this subject. I say it's up to whoever is driving the car. they are the one parking the car.

Also, not everyone who has a license gets taught to do that, I know i wasn't. So chilllllll!!!!!

Well if you do not know how to park a car then what else don't you know???

Of course people get touchy, as it puts other road users at risk, me being one of them, if people that are given the responsebility of driving a car can not complete the simplest of taskes, and even after having been told how to do it still refuse to do this correctly an safely....answer the simple question WHY??? what is to be gained from not doing it properly apart from possible problems. Give me one advantage to not doing it properly over doing it properly.

If learning how to park your car correctly saves the life of one of your children or another family member would't it be worth doing? Even if it just saves some panel damage on your pride and joy....or someone elses for that matter. Also the fact of knowing that you are doing it right should give you some satisfaction of becoming a better safer and more skilled driver...

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by boss-290

In some of the Hyundai's, you cannot remove the key from the ignition unless you have the car in park.

I don't think you can in my Golf, either.

This is seeming very stupid to me.

It's like a seatbelt. It's better to have one on and not need it, then to need one and not have it on. Just ask the mother of the 4 year old girl who's currently fighting for her life.

There's minimal effort required to shift the auto into park when you PARK. From what I've gathered, it's much better to shift into neutral and then park. Brilliant. But the car should still finish up in park.

If you're too lazy to shift into park, what else are you too lazy to do? Why make value judgements everytime?

I was getting a lift from a girl who only indicates if there's someone directly behind her. She basically never indicates, can't be bothered. I indicate in car parks, whilst it may not be strictly necesary, it forms a rule which applies to other areas of my driving.

If putting a car in park/gear was troublesome or damaging I'd understand. But it's not. You're just putting other people at risk because of a judgement you made, with you getting no actual benefit.

[Trevor 57]

I am so over this thread, and as they say in the classics,

"and it's goodbye from me"

[FPV GT40]

Originally Posted by Shounak

This is seeming very stupid to me.

It's like a seatbelt. It's better to have one on and not need it, then to need one and not have it on. Just ask the mother of the 4 year old girl who's currently fighting for her life.

There's minimal effort required to shift the auto into park when you PARK. From what I've gathered, it's much better to shift into neutral and then park. Brilliant. But the car should still finish up in park.

If you're too lazy to shift into park, what else are you too lazy to do? Why make value judgements everytime?

I was getting a lift from a girl who only indicates if there's someone directly behind her. She basically never indicates, can't be bothered. I indicate in car parks, whilst it may not be strictly necesary, it forms a rule which applies to other areas of my driving.

If putting a car in park/gear was troublesome or damaging I'd understand. But it's not. You're just putting other people at risk because of a judgement you made, with you getting no actual benefit.

Exactly my point, why bother making a decision each time wether or not to park correctly rather than just do it correctly every time.

[Silver Ghia]

Originally Posted by Big Trev

I am so over this thread, and as they say in the classics,

"and it's goodbye from me"

Me too.

Originally Posted by bathurst77

Now imagine if a little kid or something had of been standing there, not looking for a silent car?

Ah ha! This is a good reason to ban hybrids.

Probably the only thing worthwhile in this thread I've discovered. Apart from the fact there are drivers around with different ideas on things, and some continuing on with their firm thoughts regardless of what advice and reasoning is given from well experienced and qualified drivers.

[WindsorXR]

Originally Posted by FPV GT40

Well if you do not know how to park a car then what else don't you know???

Of course people get touchy, as it puts other road users at risk, me being one of them, if people that are given the responsebility of driving a car can not complete the simplest of taskes, and even after having been told how to do it still refuse to do this correctly an safely....answer the simple question WHY??? what is to be gained from not doing it properly apart from possible problems. Give me one advantage to not doing it properly over doing it properly.

If learning how to park your car correctly saves the life of one of your children or another family member would't it be worth doing? Even if it just saves some panel damage on your pride and joy....or someone elses for that matter. Also the fact of knowing that you are doing it right should give you some satisfaction of becoming a better safer and more skilled driver...

I know that first you need to settle down and maybe have a sleep before you pop some cherries!!OK!! I also know that I am a fully qualified mechanic at Ford Proving Grounds and have never seen a car rolling away on flat ground because it's not in gear. Usually when you park a car, you can feel if its going to move anywhere, the only time i put it in gear is when I park the car on an incline.

Also the above outlined part in your quote- I WAS NEVER FRIGGEN TAUGHT THIS IDIOT!!!!

Post number 57 is me- Read the damn thing!! : In there i say I might start doing it!!!

It's not a law and it wasn't part of my license test.

Keep your handbrake up to spec and IF you want put it in gear.

Now go change your undies, I never said that keeping the car in gear was wrong and ridiculous!! : :

[FPV GT40]

Originally Posted by BSSXR8

I know that first you need to settle down and maybe have a sleep before you pop some cherries!!OK!! I also know that I am a fully qualified mechanic at Ford Proving Grounds and have never seen a car rolling away on flat ground because it's not in gear. Usually when you park a car, you can feel if its going to move anywhere, the only time i put it in gear is when I park the car on an incline.

Also the above outlined part in your quote- I WAS NEVER FRIGGEN TAUGHT THIS IDIOT!!!!

Post number 57 is me- Read the damn thing!! : In there i say I might start doing it!!!

It's not a law and it wasn't part of my license test.

Keep your handbrake up to spec and IF you want put it in gear.

Now go change your undies, I never said that keeping the car in gear was wrong and ridiculous!! : :

HAHA..I Love it you just made yourself look like a real tool...Personal insults the weapon of those with lower than average intelligence, Of course your car is not going to roll on flat ground, but not all ground is flat, and like I have said about 15 times why bother making a decision on wether the ground is flat when there is already a way of doing it correctly for ALL SITUATIONS.

And if with your comments you really are a fully qualified mechanic working at Ford prooving ground god help us all, if you have not even read the owners manual on how to park one of the cars you supposedly get payed to work on how can you be trusted to even lift the bonnet...you are a clown mate and one of the reasons mechanics are not allowed near any of my cars.... :togo:

And I will say it again : IT IS IN THE OWNERS/OERATORS MANUAL OF ALL CARS AND IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO KNOW HOW TO CORRECTLY OPERATE YOU VEHICLE NOT SOMEONE ELSES REPONSIBILITY TO TEACH YOU. IT TELLS YOU IN THERE>>>

The best part I love about your post is you calling ME an idiot after admitting that you supposedly are a qualified machanic working at Ford and have not learned or bothered to find out by reading an owners manual on how to park a car correctly.....who is the idiot here.... :

[Wally]

See question 2 and try ticking anything but the first option.

http://www.bundaberspecs.eq.edu.au/r...estest3MC.html

[Plugg3r]

Park a car in 1st or Reverse in a manual.

And of course in a auto in Park.

End of story..
Handbrakes fail and dont stop people towing your car real easy.

[Unco]

Originally Posted by FPV GT40

HAHA..I Love it you just made yourself look like a real tool...Personal insults the weapon of those with lower than average intelligence, Of course your car is not going to roll on flat ground, but not all ground is flat, and like I have said about 15 times why bother making a decision on wether the ground is flat when there is already a way of doing it correctly for ALL SITUATIONS.

And if with your comments you really are a fully qualified mechanic working at Ford prooving ground god help us all, if you have not even read the owners manual on how to park one of the cars you supposedly get payed to work on how can you be trusted to even lift the bonnet...you are a clown mate and one of the reasons mechanics are not allowed near any of my cars.... :togo:

And I will say it again : IT IS IN THE OWNERS/OERATORS MANUAL OF ALL CARS AND IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO KNOW HOW TO CORRECTLY OPERATE YOU VEHICLE NOT SOMEONE ELSES REPONSIBILITY TO TEACH YOU. IT TELLS YOU IN THERE>>>

The best part I love about your post is you calling ME an idiot after admitting that you supposedly are a qualified machanic working at Ford and have not learned or bothered to find out by reading an owners manual on how to park a car correctly.....who is the idiot here.... :

it's because a lot of the stuff in the owners manuals is dumbed down for dummies like you.

as far as you're concerned, you can throw an auto into park on a hill and let the whole weight of the car rest on the parking pin. i bet you also count the number of clicks the handbrake makes "as per the owners manual" if it's written in there.

those who are qualified in the topic know how easily the parking pin can break. then we have to put up with dummies like you coming into the workshop wondering why their autos wont go into park because as far as you're concerned you did everything by the book... but left common sense out.

what a few people have posted is the safest way to park an auto: put it in neutral, apply the handbrake firmly to make sure the car won't move, THEN put it in Park. The bit about turning the wheels to come into contact with the gutter should the car move is also very important when parking up/down a hill.

hang on, you're the guy that lets his oil drain for a week before re-fitting the sump plug, sorry, i didn't see your sign.

[95falcon]

I like how this thread stayed on topic. I also like the fact that everyone has to throw their 2c in.


Thread was for manuals, not auto's, so phvck off already.


Manual - parkbrake on, car off, clutch out in 1st. Simple.