LAST HULK FRIDAY 2014: is FGX the Falcosaurus? - Page 4

Dash_XR · 21-12-2014, 04:17 PM

I don't like the generic us ford look so an FGX was never an option, I'm glad they made the XR8 though so GT's get cheaper. Are the new taxis going to be FGX?

Maka · 21-12-2014, 04:49 PM

Imo, legendary performance cars get remembered for their dynamic "on road" performance for years to come, not so much for what gadgets or "lack of" are in the particular car.

If the last Falcon XR8 is to be remembered for its great performance as a "performance car", i wouldn't care what stuff is missing tech wise as long as it does what it says on its job description - go like a GT, handle like a GT, sound like a GT & brake like a GT!

That said, a performance luxury car will never go as hard as performance car stock for stock.

Hulk are you really saying Ford should do two versions of the XR8, a Fairmont version & a true track day special or what...?

cheers, Maka

arronm · 21-12-2014, 05:25 PM

Bent 8 is correct. Sales dont reflect how good a product is , just how good the public think it is.

skoobysGT · 21-12-2014, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NX74205

Of the features in that list I posted, I think the only things I wouldn't have any need for is adaptive cruise and heated seats. That's it.

While I agree that a competent driver shouldn't need lane keeping assist, blind spot monitor etc, and I share your disdain for driverless cars, they are incredibly useful in preventing accidents as a result of human error, which believe it or not, happens. As long as drivers don't rely on this technology, but use it as a backup in case of a momentary lapse of concentration, I don't see a problem with that.

I'm not too proud to admit that I have had a few near misses thanks to these momentary lapses of concentration. I have nearly changed lanes into a Pajero because I forgot to check my blind spot; and I have nearly rear-ended a Patrol because I was distracted by a hot chick walking by. It happens.

There are also times when reverse sensors on my Fairmont have saved me from hitting a fire hydrant or a very high kerb, which I couldn't see in my mirror or in the back window.

Accidents happen, and if there's technology available to reduce the likelihood of having an accident, why is that a bad thing?

I agree with this. . My GT didn't have all these gadgets and my new GTS does and I love it. .. However, it also costs $30K more than my GT! !! The new XR8 may be a few generations old but you have to admit, it really is a bargain of the decade! ! What $55k car is going to give you 300+ rwkw??? For an extra $50k for my GTS I would surely hope it comes with those extra gadgets and tech!

If you want a car with grunt and gadgets.. spend the extra dollars! !

Well done to Ford for giving those who can't afford a GTS or GTF a car which is half the price but with very similar performance.

XR Martin · 21-12-2014, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

why is it the commodore kicks the falcosaurus teeth in on the sales chart? The commodore dont compare performance wise.

40-50% of Commodores sold are V8s, so its obvious that a hairy chested motor is required for decent sales.

HULK_I6T · 21-12-2014, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by arronm

Bent 8 is correct. Sales dont reflect how good a product is , just how good the public think it is.

Sales do reflect the better product..

Otherwise are you saying the majority of people are stupid? They are unable to assess a product?

The fact of the matter is, the commodore is the better looking car and has been since fg. It also has better tech inclusions.. That's why it sells more

b0son · 21-12-2014, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bent8

We all know the Holden brand name has been around since 1948 and ask most Aussies today and they will relate more closely with the Holden badge than they will to the Ford and this is the main reason why the Commodore is outselling the Falcon right now...

It wasn't that long ago Ford sold as many Falcons as Holden did Commodores. If you build the car the people want, they will buy it.

Ford's problem has almost always been that its an engineering-led company, while Holden is marketing-led. Ford build things the engineers think is superior, even if the market doesn't know, then has to try and convince the market they're wrong. Oh, and that's after spending so long to build the thing that by the time they get it to market, it's yesterday's news. Meanwhile, Holden seem to actually listen to customers, and give them the bells and whistles they want. Even if it is the inferior product. They still seem to find a way to market its good points. Ford doesn't seem to market anything at all.

arronm · 21-12-2014, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

Sales do reflect the better product..

Otherwise are you saying the majority of people are stupid? They are unable to assess a product?

The fact of the matter is, the commodore is the better looking car and has been since fg. It also has better tech inclusions.. That's why it sells more

No, you have misunderstood what I have said.

Take the Mitsubishi 380. Great car but the public didnt buy it.

Betacord was better than VHS but people preferred VHS.

Thats the point I was making.

b0son · 22-12-2014, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by arronm

Betacord was better than VHS but people preferred VHS.

Not sure that only being able to only watch 1hr of video was so much 'better' ...

NX74205 · 22-12-2014, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

Sales do reflect the better product.

No, they don't. For example, the Mondeo is clearly a better car than the Camry, by a long way.

And incidentally, I would dispute your opinion that the Commodore is better looking 'since the FG'. VF interior may be better than the FG/FGX interior, and you're right that the VF has taken the Commodore a giant leap forward technologically, but that's really as far as it goes.

herbicide · 22-12-2014, 01:45 AM

Think some people really need to learn what a real bare bones vehicle really is. Come drive my fj 45 landcruiser...

au2000 · 22-12-2014, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

Sales do reflect the better product..

Otherwise are you saying the majority of people are stupid? They are unable to assess a product?

The fact of the matter is, the commodore is the better looking car and has been since fg. It also has better tech inclusions.. That's why it sells more

If sales reflects the better product then explain to me what the corolla, Mazda 3 & the hilux have over the commodore ? Because I honestly don't think any of them are a better product.

As for the commodore being the better looking car, well that's subjective, not one of my holden mates have traded their VE SS's in on one yet and none plan to and all have said the same thing, they hate the VF look

FG50T · 22-12-2014, 10:19 AM

Hulk you said in the LS3 SS said you'd buy a SS over an XR8 because it has more cubes and a bigger street presence so don't go trying to tell us cars that sales reflect the better product.

XBv8mmm! · 22-12-2014, 11:05 AM

No, No it isn't!
Enough said!

Cheers,
Garry.

P.S. still enjoying the hell out of my new "Falcosaurus" every time I even sit in it let alone actually drive it!

**Silver Ghia** · 22-12-2014, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by XBv8mmm!

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P.S. still enjoying the hell out of my new "Falcosaurus" every time I even sit in it let alone actually drive it!

And he probably hasn't even tried the audio system yet.

Too many beautiful sounds coming from elsewhere.

jpblue1000 · 22-12-2014, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by XBv8mmm!

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No, No it isn't!
Enough said!

Cheers,
Garry.

P.S. still enjoying the hell out of my new "Falcosaurus" every time I even sit in it let alone actually drive it!

Garry, is it quite long in the front end, more so than previous models. ie from front wheel to tip of front bumper, or is it just an illusion of styling.
Pedestrian safety length im guessing!

JP

XBv8mmm! · 22-12-2014, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jpblue1000

Garry, is it quite long in the front end, more so than previous models. ie from front wheel to tip of front bumper, or is it just an illusion of styling.
Pedestrian safety length im guessing!

JP

It's the photos that do it. Have a look at one in the metal, and against an FG or B series.

It's because it's flatter at the front, not as curved, and the slope (drop off) of the bonnet, as a B series or an FG.

Case in point, see below.

If you look at the red GT-P at the top of the picture it's nose looks quite long but the BA XR8 looks shorter. And my FG X looks long as well. but in reality there is not that much difference.

It's the photo that's taken or the angle that you look at it that gives the illusion that it is long in the nose. All because of the flatter front end.

Sorry for the long windedness.

Cheers,
Garry.

HULK_I6T · 22-12-2014, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by arronm

No, you have misunderstood what I have said.

Take the Mitsubishi 380. Great car but the public didnt buy it.

Betacord was better than VHS but people preferred VHS.

Thats the point I was making.

fair point.

But with the FGX they didnt even bother changing the wheels on the XR8.. They had heaps of those 335GT rims sitting around and thought they could flog em off.

The XR8 is a great car but its a lets cleanout the warehouse type of car, all the old GT bits lying around are bunged on. These acts also cheapen the old model GT by making those wheels everywhere.

MrEL · 22-12-2014, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

fair point.

But with the FGX they didnt even bother changing the wheels on the XR8.. They had heaps of those 335GT rims sitting around and thought they could flog em off.

The XR8 is a great car but its a lets cleanout the warehouse type of car, all the old GT bits lying around are bunged on. These acts also cheapen the old model GT by making those wheels everywhere.

Pretty much standard procedure in the car industry.
Take Holden for example.
VN S pack got hubcaps. VN SS got alloy wheels.
VP S pack got old VN SS wheels. VP SS got new style of alloy wheels.
VR S pack got VN SS wheels. VR SS got new style of alloy wheels.
VS S pack got VR SS wheels. VS SS got new alloy wheels.
VT S pack got VS SS wheels and it goes on and on.
Much like someone else around these parts...................................

XBv8mmm! · 22-12-2014, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

fair point.

But with the FGX they didnt even bother changing the wheels on the XR8.. They had heaps of those 335GT rims sitting around and thought they could flog em off.

The XR8 is a great car but its a lets cleanout the warehouse type of car, all the old GT bits lying around are bunged on. These acts also cheapen the old model GT by making those wheels everywhere.

So by that logic, what your saying is, that every XR8 that came out after a GT and got it's engine, cheapened that GT?

WOW!

HULK_I6T · 22-12-2014, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by XBv8mmm!

So by that logic, what your saying is, that every XR8 that came out after a GT and got it's engine, cheapened that GT?

WOW!

errr no thats not what im saying..

it applies to the falcosaurus FGX model only.

SensationFG8 · 22-12-2014, 03:15 PM

I think we should embrace falcosaurus, it suits the car, a giant monster that will eat up everything around it.

XBv8mmm! · 22-12-2014, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

errr no thats not what im saying..

it applies to the falcosaurus FGX model only.

Which, and correct me if I'm wrong, is the last XR8 following the last GT.
Therefore it gets the previous model GT's running gear. As has been standard practice for a very long time.

And the wheels, well, they are different. Take a closer look. I've even had a GT-F owner comment on the difference and how good they look.

blackf6 · 22-12-2014, 04:50 PM

Xr8 sprint.

BradEL · 22-12-2014, 05:12 PM

Meanwhile it's monday......

arronm · 22-12-2014, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SensationFG8

I think we should embrace falcosaurus, it suits the car, a giant monster that will eat up everything around it.

Most things around it (including N/A SS commodores and HSV) but NOT everything.

Read the "lets talk torque" thread. Power for power the turbo 6 smokes it.

And if you read the full thread you will see why I said the GT I drove felt soft.

BUT bang for buck with just a tune they go well.

SensationFG8 · 22-12-2014, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by arronm

Most things around it (including N/A SS commodores and HSV) but NOT everything.

Read the "lets talk torque" thread. Power for power the turbo 6 smokes it.

And if you read the full thread you will see why I said the GT I drove felt soft.

BUT bang for buck with just a tune they go well.

Everything around it equals things in it's price point... The XR6T does not "smoke" the XR8....

Stop trying to find every excuse to tear the car down

**kypez** · 23-12-2014, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by arronm

Most things around it (including N/A SS commodores and HSV) but NOT everything.

Read the "lets talk torque" thread. Power for power the turbo 6 smokes it.

And if you read the full thread you will see why I said the GT I drove felt soft.

BUT bang for buck with just a tune they go well.

This guy...

FACT! GTF/335 are faster than a F6.
FACT! XR8 is faster than a XR6T

Doesnt matter how the power comes on, stock, the F6/XR6T produce less torque and power hence are slower. The 20 kilo weight difference between a F6 and GT335/351 is not enough to throw the balance to the F6. With the FGX, there is a 60 odd kilo difference but again not enough to swing the balance of power.

I dont care how you "feel" it drives, the numbers are in and the Miami is faster stock!

arronm · 23-12-2014, 12:08 PM

Read the " lets talk torque" thread and get educated.

And besides my nana how many of us drive stock cars

**Falcon Coupe** · 23-12-2014, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by arronm

Read the " lets talk torque" thread and get educated.

And besides my nana how many of us drive stock cars

Lets not talk modified as the deepest pockets win, it's irrelevant here.