People that sell problematic cars and don't disclose?

[MAD]

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

I am frequently on interview panels..

If you were actually on interview panels, the company would be *****ed.

The amount of judgement you so willingly throw around would see that company slaughtered in fairwork cases regarding discrimination.

[HULK_I6T]

Originally Posted by MrEL

So Hulk sells car that have had a dodgy safety check done on them by his own admission of his cars dont get jacked up or put on a hoist.
Does he disclose that to buyers? Something about stones and glass houses rings true here.
If it develloped a leak in 1km or was bodged up like you are saying why didnt you tell him when it hemmoraged all over your driveway when he bought it over?

When I turn up to a vehicle inspection and the car looks mint, the mechanic usually relaxes knowing the car is first rate.

When others turn up with cars that are rattling and have different tyres on every rim, that's when vehicle inspectors brace themselves for a battle

At the end of the day they charge $35 and it's a yearly safety inspection not a full blown forensic enquiry

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

When I turn up to a vehicle inspection and the car looks mint, the mechanic usually relaxes knowing the car is first rate.

When others turn up with cars that are rattling and have different tyres on every rim, that's when vehicle inspectors brace themselves for a battle

At the end of the day they charge $35 and it's a yearly safety inspection not a full blown forensic enquiry

Tend to agree with this, my vehicles are presented immaculate and are perfectly maintained and serviced, so generally when I turn up for a pink slip the mechanics don't have to look too hard for issues. they give it a quick once over and move on.

[HULK_I6T]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

Tend to agree with this, my vehicles are presented immaculate and are perfectly maintained and serviced, so generally when I turn up for a pink slip the mechanics don't have to look too hard for issues. they give it a quick once over and move on.

Not all of us maintain cars as we do. Last time my xr6t went for rego the inspector double takes and triple takes when he looked at the odometer. Stunned and couldn't believe his eyes at the low km. Safe to say he didn't put it on a hoist.

But looking at some of the replies, Some on here seem to really get put through the mincer in order to get a pink slip.

[HULK_I6T]

Originally Posted by MrEL

You could of been standing there with a roll of $50s in front of me and when you come out with that id just tell you to **** off.
Ive done it before to pains in the **** like you and would have no hesitation in doing it again.
.

You don't have to worry, I won't be buying any of your cars turning up with a role of $50's. if the mechanic/inspector has to throw your car up on a hoist every year to award a pink slip, it's unlikely to pass my mint condition test.

[Ratmick]

I can attest first-hand to Hulk's 'mint'iness of his older cars, I bought a BA MkII Fairmont off him and it was immaculate for its age (it is dirty at the moment though). Still under 100,000km too...

It's a bit harder in Victoria than NSW, you'd be hard-pressed to get an older car through without them picking up something, no matter how seemingly trivial. The Fairmont initially failed because the rear LH window button would only lower, but not raise, the window (it was fine from the driver's panel). Plus the handbrake needed adjusting. I put it to them the handbrake could be easily fixed while up on the hoist, which they did. I managed to get a new switch by the time they finished the car. Passed first go (well it didn't require a revisit).

It passed everything else they looked at and blitzed the braking test.

The exhaust was not standard, it passed as well.

Registered in Victoria the following day.

[buggerlugs]

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

Not all of us maintain cars as we do. Last time my xr6t went for rego the inspector double takes and triple takes when he looked at the odometer. Stunned and couldn't believe his eyes at the low km. Safe to say he didn't put it on a hoist.

But looking at some of the replies, Some on here seem to really get put through the mincer in order to get a pink slip.

You remind me of a 25 year old kiwi truck driver with 35 years experience........

[MrEL]

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

You don't have to worry, I won't be buying any of your cars turning up with a role of $50's. if the mechanic/inspector has to throw your car up on a hoist every year to award a pink slip, it's unlikely to pass my mint condition test.

Here you go making assumptions again.................
Where did I say my car gets put on a hoist? No where.
But it does under my own insistence even though its the same rego guy I have used for a looong time.
He knows my cars are mickey mouse , my missus's even more since I am very **** with whatever she will be driving.
But once a year I like someone else to have a look around it just to make sure I haven't missed anything. I am not that full of myself to believe that I know everything and my stuff is the mint ducks nuts.
He has never found anything and when I ask him to throw it up and take it for a drive I get the same reply all the time. A roll of the eyes and "man I know your stuff. Its fine. Better then what is actually required to pass."

Maybe I do know what Im doing since I have done a few cars now with fairly extensive modifications that require an engineers certification and they have always passed first go????

You wouldn't have to worry about seeing if my stuff would pass your mint test. As soon as I found out it was you wanting to look at the car I would simply refuse to deal with you.

[blueoval]

I think this thread is well passed it's used by date

[mcflux]

I'm selling my BF Fairmont, & I've disclosed ALL issues I'm aware of with the car when prospective buyers have contacted me. It's a pity people assume that high kms = worn out car.

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by MrEL

If there was no signs of oil leaking when he looked at it maybe just maybe it started leaking after he bought it???????????????????????????

They have to start leaking sometime , who says he wasn't unlucky and it happened to be when he had it?

The rear diff seal in the G6E we bought brand new started leaking a month after we bought it. I've had cars that have little problems pop up weeks or months after buying them. That's life sometimes...

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by Ratmick

I can attest first-hand to Hulk's 'mint'iness of his older cars, I bought a BA MkII Fairmont off him ... The Fairmont initially failed because the rear LH window button would only lower, but not raise, the window (it was fine from the driver's panel). .

Did hulky sell you a problematic car without disclosing the fault!. Hmmm Hulky what you trying on!


JP

[Ratmick]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

Did hulky sell you a problematic car without disclosing the fault!. Hmmm Hulky what you trying on!


JP

No, I'm thinking his back-seat passengers never played with the window switch, it was all controlled by the driver. I actually think the handbrake was fine, the guys doing the RWC were just a bit ****.

[buggerlugs]

Originally Posted by blueoval

I think this thread is well passed it's used by date

Most are after Hulks first post..............

[Express]

I have some cars that I consider mint.

I’m so over the top I do a thorough two day detail of a car before I take them in for a service let alone for a rego check.

Some of them travel a few hundred kilometres a year, some do about a thousand or so and my daily’s do around 3 or 4 thousand a year.

I have cars stored in two main locations and take them to the same two places for rego each year and they are all lifted off the ground for checks.

Last year I took my father-in-law’s 5 year old series 3 BMW with 8,000km on the clock to a mechanic just near me who advertises he specialises in BMW’s to get its first rego check and while I was sitting in the waiting room I saw him drive it up onto the hoist and lift it and then proceed to do checks. It's immaculate and I cleaned and checked the car before I took it in.

I have not had a knock on rego for any reason in 20 years or more. Not since a fellow at Rose Bay looked out his office window and said if I have to get up and walk outside I'm going to charge you for a rego inspection but I can save you some money and tell you from here there is no way I'm going to pass a car that low.

Am I going to the wrong mechanics or are mine the only ones around that follow the law?

[Trump]

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

I am frequently on interview panels..

The HR people must be sick of seeing you for the same thing over and over again...

[Spurious]

Christ, even a ford dealer did it to me....when I bought my AU2 in 2010

I inspected the thing 3 times before purchase, asked if it had or did leak any fluids...no was the response. Hell I even made them put it on a hoist so I could look underneath. Sure I found dried up oil stains on the sump, which is why I asked the question.

I had the car home for less than 3 weeks & found oil dribbling down the block from the head gasket. Fair enough it weeped for 3 years before I fixed it, but the point remains, the dealer lied to my face.

Ray Denning at Fairford in Burnie, Tasmania...yeh', buy a car from him!!!

It's simple, trust no-one & do your homework & understand what you might be in for.
The best advice I could give is don't ask too many questions & just assume the seller's gonna lie anyhow. So do your own checks until you're either satisfied or scared!

[Spurious]

Furthermore, I would never sell a car without disclosing a problem, especially if it was a safety concern.

My previous car, an '85 XF s-pack, I sold it with A4 pages (x4) of written info', all the stuff I'd done to it over the 10 years I'd had it. I even told the buyer about the rust it had....& what parts are likely to fail in the near future. ie: the few items I hadn't replaced yet.


Some people are just, well, A' holes!!!

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by Express

I have some cars that I consider mint.

I’m so over the top I do a thorough two day detail of a car before I take them in for a service let alone for a rego check.

Some of them travel a few hundred kilometres a year, some do about a thousand or so and my daily’s do around 3 or 4 thousand a year.

I have cars stored in two main locations and take them to the same two places for rego each year and they are all lifted off the ground for checks.

Last year I took my father-in-law’s 5 year old series 3 BMW with 8,000km on the clock to a mechanic just near me who advertises he specialises in BMW’s to get its first rego check and while I was sitting in the waiting room I saw him drive it up onto the hoist and lift it and then proceed to do checks. It's immaculate and I cleaned and checked the car before I took it in.

I have not had a knock on rego for any reason in 20 years or more. Not since a fellow at Rose Bay looked out his office window and said if I have to get up and walk outside I'm going to charge you for a rego inspection but I can save you some money and tell you from here there is no way I'm going to pass a car that low.

Am I going to the wrong mechanics or are mine the only ones around that follow the law?

I am not sure, there is a law that says a car must go on a hoist to pass a pink slip, like I said, I have never seen a mechanic put a car on a hoist for a pink slip anywhere, went a a new mechanic last month with our daily and no hoist either.

[pottery beige]

Sold an XA Fairmont 302 with a stuffed lh engine mount

Told dude over and over don't give it stick it will take off and you will be double footed sand shoe crusher sh yo pants

pulled up his driveway, waved to Mrs, put foot down

And sailed through his roller door

rang me / we lold / told you so

[buggerlugs]

[QUOTE=HULK_I6T]I am frequently on interview panels..
What for ? A lobotomy.............

[dirty hands]

I had one dealer swap the motor out of my purchase during the day of delivery
after my inspections and deposit

they rang me and said they needed more time to fix the faults I noted
I put the full money down . drove off happy didnt need to lift the bonnet

I had checked all the engine mounts were solid because they were problematic on this vehicle make and model

the damaged motors engine numbers were already on the signed paper work

the swapped motor had a cracked engine mount support .. it was part of the blocks casting . .. decided to break off when .. out of warranty
some one had tried to weld it and re tap the block threads before

end of motor

[Express]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

I am not sure, there is a law that says a car must go on a hoist to pass a pink slip, like I said, I have never seen a mechanic put a car on a hoist for a pink slip anywhere, went a a new mechanic last month with our daily and no hoist either.

I have no idea myself and it is appears impossible to find the info online.

What I do know is that an authorised inspection station must comply with the inspection standards of the Rules for Authorised Inspection Stations.

And those rules are available for inspection stations in book form or as a CD-ROM for $75 from the RMS.

Plus at the time of the rego inspection a signed copy is given by the authorised inspector to the vehicle owner saying the vehicle met or didn’t meet the NSW Safety check.

I find it hard to believe you could reliably pass a vehicle for road safety without looking under the car.

But as I said I don’t know and I don’t know why it’s so difficult to find the info on the inspection requirements.

Next time I take a vehicle in for inspection I’ll ask what the inspection entails.

[XR Martin]

Pink slip is worth what $30 or something? How much time do you expect a mechanic to spend on it? You are looking at a max 20mins total.
Sure it doesnt take that long to put it on the hoist, but they've got to do a brake check (7 mins) check lights, wipers, horn, tyres, VIN etc (7 mins) paperwork (6mins) argue with customer on why it failed (10mins)

As long as its not dripping and leaving puddles of oil while its there its not going to fail the 'safety check'

[Express]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Pink slip is worth what $30 or something? How much time do you expect a mechanic to spend on it? You are looking at a max 20mins total.
Sure it doesnt take that long to put it on the hoist, but they've got to do a brake check (7 mins) check lights, wipers, horn, tyres, VIN etc (7 mins) paperwork (6mins) argue with customer on why it failed (10mins)

As long as its not dripping and leaving puddles of oil while its there its not going to fail the 'safety check'

Fair enough but that doesn’t explain why my cars get put up on hoists during the check and others don’t.

What is the safety check and what exactly are they checking for?

A nice paint job?

[Express]

I think I found the requirements.


Business Rules For The Authorised Inspection Station Scheme.

It on page 61 under Appendix I-H Inspection Sequence, Light Vehicles - sub section (i)


http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/...ion-scheme.pdf


LIGHT VEHICLES

(a) Ascertain whether the vehicle presented is LPG/CNG fuelled. Where the Authorised Examiner is not accredited by the RTA to inspect gas fuelled vehicles, the owner should be referred to an appropriate inspection station;

(b) Record the make and model. Check the number plate and the chassis number/VIN on the vehicle against the Registration Certificate (if available) or the Registration Label. If the vehicle identifiers do not correspond, the "vehicle identification" box must be marked as "X" on the inspection report and the discrepancy noted in the "comment/repairs needed" field. Continue with the Safety Check inspection;

(c) Check the LPG/CNG fuel system where appropriate

(d) Check the engine and other items in the engine bay

(e) Sit in the driver's seat and test all the driving controls. Check seat belts, mirrors, forward vision through the windscreen and record the odometer reading

(f) Examine the vehicle's exterior and check all doors, window, bodywork and trailer coupling (if fitted)

(g) Test the operation of all lights, check the aim of the headlights. Check headlight and number plate covers (if fitted)

(h) Jack up the vehicle and check the suspension, wheel bearings and steering components

(i) Place the vehicle on a hoist, on ramps or stands, or over a pit. Check the underbody chassis, sub-frames, transmission, exhaust and braking system components. Check all road wheels and tyres

(j) Test the service brake using the brake testing equipment, and attach the printout to the pink and blue copies of the inspection report. Test the parking brake

(k) Prepare the inspection report carefully, making sure that all necessary information is recorded. Depending on the result of the Safety Check inspection, the "passed safe" or either of the "failed" boxes must be marked. If the "vehicle identification" box is crossed, and all other boxes on the inspection checklist are ticked, the "passed safe" box must still be ticked. Sign the inspection report. An incomplete inspection report is not acceptable for renewal of registration

(l) An examiner may require the assistance of a fellow worker, or vehicle owner to carry out some of the vehicle inspection items. It must be understood the examiner must actually check the inspection items and not the assistant. For example an Authorized examiner may have an assistant move the steeringwheel whilst the examiner checks for free play etc.

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Pink slip is worth what $30 or something? How much time do you expect a mechanic to spend on it? You are looking at a max 20mins total.
Sure it doesnt take that long to put it on the hoist, but they've got to do a brake check (7 mins) check lights, wipers, horn, tyres, VIN etc (7 mins) paperwork (6mins) argue with customer on why it failed (10mins)

As long as its not dripping and leaving puddles of oil while its there its not going to fail the 'safety check'

I expect them to do their job, the one Im paying for. I don't set the fees, I pay them for a service and as described that includes an underbody inspection, however its done. And I expect that if a car is sold having passed the inspection recently that it has had the mandatory checks made.

I do also believe many mechanics working for their 30 bucks probably take shortcuts, putting themselves and or business at risk...can they be deregistered as inspection agents?

JP

[Harrison]

Do they jack up the front end ?

How can you check balljoints etc without lifting the car ?

In QLD you need a Roadworthy to buy / sell a car. I wouldn't like to buy one that hadn't been up on a hoist.

And a mechanic would be risking his Inspection Station licence by not doing so.

[swanee]

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

It was 3 days between when he buys car and he notified about leak. How many km could he have done to instigate this leak? Cant be many.

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

whilst that scenario is possible, its highly unlikely.

No leaks for 146000km and then considerable leaks at 146001km?

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

Sure they do, nothing for 146000km and then major leak at 146001? Either it's a 1/146001 chance of happening, or the seller performed a dog act.

By the way you have a 1/12000 of being hit by lightening in your lifetime. So it's 12 times more likely being hit by lightening than the leak starting a moment after he drove off with car.

Oil leak happened 3 days after he bought it and he's only done 1km?

Either way... I think he's either pulling your leg or you are just as naïve as he is. An 18yo with a new car isn't going to buy the car and just park it in his driveway and admire it. He's gone out showing off with mates and given it a "test".

Check the rear wheel arches or tyres for some tell tale signs maybe?

An 18yo red p plater isn't going to outright tell you that he was out doing burnouts, hooning or showing off. (I know because most of us have probably been there and done that)

Think there is more to the story than is being told obviously.

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by Express

I think I found the requirements.


Business Rules For The Authorised Inspection Station Scheme.

It on page 61 under Appendix I-H Inspection Sequence, Light Vehicles - sub section (i)


http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/...ion-scheme.pdf


LIGHT VEHICLES

(a) Ascertain whether the vehicle presented is LPG/CNG fuelled. Where the Authorised Examiner is not accredited by the RTA to inspect gas fuelled vehicles, the owner should be referred to an appropriate inspection station;

(b) Record the make and model. Check the number plate and the chassis number/VIN on the vehicle against the Registration Certificate (if available) or the Registration Label. If the vehicle identifiers do not correspond, the "vehicle identification" box must be marked as "X" on the inspection report and the discrepancy noted in the "comment/repairs needed" field. Continue with the Safety Check inspection;

(c) Check the LPG/CNG fuel system where appropriate

(d) Check the engine and other items in the engine bay

(e) Sit in the driver's seat and test all the driving controls. Check seat belts, mirrors, forward vision through the windscreen and record the odometer reading

(f) Examine the vehicle's exterior and check all doors, window, bodywork and trailer coupling (if fitted)

(g) Test the operation of all lights, check the aim of the headlights. Check headlight and number plate covers (if fitted)

(h) Jack up the vehicle and check the suspension, wheel bearings and steering components

(i) Place the vehicle on a hoist, on ramps or stands, or over a pit. Check the underbody chassis, sub-frames, transmission, exhaust and braking system components. Check all road wheels and tyres

(j) Test the service brake using the brake testing equipment, and attach the printout to the pink and blue copies of the inspection report. Test the parking brake

(k) Prepare the inspection report carefully, making sure that all necessary information is recorded. Depending on the result of the Safety Check inspection, the "passed safe" or either of the "failed" boxes must be marked. If the "vehicle identification" box is crossed, and all other boxes on the inspection checklist are ticked, the "passed safe" box must still be ticked. Sign the inspection report. An incomplete inspection report is not acceptable for renewal of registration

(l) An examiner may require the assistance of a fellow worker, or vehicle owner to carry out some of the vehicle inspection items. It must be understood the examiner must actually check the inspection items and not the assistant. For example an Authorized examiner may have an assistant move the steeringwheel whilst the examiner checks for free play etc.

There you go, interesting reading.

Still I have never seen any of my cars on a hoist for rego pink slip inspections.

I will be going for a pink slip in about 3-4 weeks time, and will see if it goes on a hoist.