EV policy by federal government and the states

[Franco Cozzo]

The part I love is that we had nuclear weapons testing in South Australia courtesy of the British and France did nuclear weapons testing in our backyard but for some reason we're against having nuclear power because of its waste product?

Plenty of unused coastline in Australia, a whole lot of barren useless land where you can dump the waste and we also have uranium mines and 40% of the world's uranium.

You want to move away from coal and gas, so put nuclear on the table, everyone else uses it.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/...09-p597jl.html

Perfect opportunity now we've got submarines coming.

[Falcon SXR8]

After seeing the government bring in the home insulation scheme and the nbn, do we really want them messing with nuclear power and its waste products

[burnz]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

The part I love is that we had nuclear weapons testing in South Australia courtesy of the British and France did nuclear weapons testing in our backyard but for some reason we're against having nuclear power because of its waste product?

Plenty of unused coastline in Australia, a whole lot of barren useless land where you can dump the waste and we also have uranium mines and 40% of the world's uranium.

You want to move away from coal and gas, so put nuclear on the table, everyone else uses it.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/...09-p597jl.html

Perfect opportunity now we've got submarines coming.

we don't need coastline, why power station are on the coast is mind boggling..

self contained setup has been around for well over a hundred years, RE: steam trains, self contained with a large tap..

[wodahs]

we could all have hydrogen vehicles and make our fuel at home
https://youtu.be/RY08xO-_11w

[mad2]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

What about nuclear? We have a ****load of uranium, its a clean energy source and we have a lot of barren wasteland to dispose of its waste in.

i hope you were having a 'few' drinks then ........... coz that is one of the most stupidest ideas re put it in a hole out woop woop. what happens to any groundwater there?

[stevefreestyle]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Here's an idea, pay for your own electric car

EV subsidies are middle class welfare, why should you get a discount on your Tesla?

Tell you what though this COP26 thing, made my hydrogen shares increase 15-30% day on day consecutively, I'm up 235% in about a week.

100% Spot on !!

Notwithstanding the smug and sanctimonious ideological preaching of the radical Green Left, the only reason the market adopt Green Cars & Energy (solar Panels etc) is through the discriminatory and fundamentally unfair application of heavy Government Financial Incentives - resulting in a serious Market Distortion. They then hypocritically spin this contrived distortion, and say "look - see how much support and popularity Green products have....."

The fact is that EV cars have numerous and huge negatives (no pun intended) - including far greater energy intensive construction (ironically), higher use of rare & highly Toxic metals (Battery) et al. and are manifestly unsuited to the REALITIES of Australia.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by mad2

i hope you were having a 'few' drinks then ........... coz that is one of the most stupidest ideas re put it in a hole out woop woop. what happens to any groundwater there?

There's groundwater in the middle of nowhere Australia?

We've got a massive country where the vast majority of our population lives on the coast, we've got plenty of room to store nuclear waste where it won't effect anyone regardless of what environmental damage it causes.

[Dr Terry]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

There's groundwater in the middle of nowhere Australia?

We've got a massive country where the vast majority of our population lives on the coast, we've got plenty of room to store nuclear waste where it won't effect anyone regardless of what environmental damage it causes.

We do have artesian basins, but they aren't all over the continent.

I'm with you Franco, nuclear makes more sense than not.

All of the larger developed countries use it & we have heaps of uranium.

Dr Terry

[hackney]

Originally Posted by stevefreestyle

100% Spot on !!

Notwithstanding the smug and sanctimonious ideological preaching of the radical Green Left, the only reason the market adopt Green Cars & Energy (solar Panels etc) is through the discriminatory and fundamentally unfair application of heavy Government Financial Incentives - resulting in a serious Market Distortion. They then hypocritically spin this contrived distortion, and say "look - see how much support and popularity Green products have....."

The fact is that EV cars have numerous and huge negatives (no pun intended) - including far greater energy intensive construction (ironically), higher use of rare & highly Toxic metals (Battery) et al. and are manifestly unsuited to the REALITIES of Australia.

Try telling that to any EV owner!That would not go down well @ all.Did you not know that they are ‘saving’ the planet!They all so sleep better @ night because it gives them that ‘warm & fuzzy’ feeling!

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Dr Terry

We do have artesian basins, but they aren't all over the continent.

I'm with you Franco, nuclear makes more sense than not.

All of the larger developed countries use it & we have heaps of uranium.

Dr Terry

Also a lot of disused uranium mines (that no one goes near) for waste storage.

[383hq]

I'd be happy with 10c /kw per USA, better then 34c kW...

But the USA do tend to do whats best for the nation, something I"m not sure the british governance system has worked out...

Went to SA GovCo info session regarding the planned underground nuclear waste depository, given the half life and all that. They claim some of the most stable land on the planet,
Looking up govco database still shows 1100+ sesimic events in the last decade

https://earthquakes.ga.gov.au/

so I'll wait for nuclear fusion thank you very much
Even more so now solar is worth 1-3c Kw at the consumer end. Had a chance to do it properly, entice more solar and work base load with battery+ wind, but profit comes first....

Musk might crack the nuclear fusion chestnut in a few years the way he's progressed science commercially, so fingers crossed....

Personally I think if they stick with nuclear fission, they should do a sub salt-water solution (just got to get over the corrosion issues) when looking at the gen 4 alternatives.

Would have saved Fukishima + unlimited cooling.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by mad2

i hope you were having a 'few' drinks then ........... coz that is one of the most stupidest ideas re put it in a hole out woop woop. what happens to any groundwater there?

It was not a stupid comment at all. It has been suggested by leading minds many times in the past. Their idea was to build concrete storage bunkers underground for it. Extremely low risk.

[383hq]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

It was not a stupid comment at all. It has been suggested by leading minds many times in the past. Their idea was to build concrete storage bunkers underground for it. Extremely low risk.

Well thats exactly whats happening in South Australia. One of the pollies wasn't happy, they chose another site near the land (farm) he'd purchased...

No surprise there though, it's the same reason the Ford body plant was a good 75km from the assembly plant.

What surprised me was the location of the ship unloading.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-...imba/100657832

[mad2]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

There's groundwater in the middle of nowhere Australia?

We've got a massive country where the vast majority of our population lives on the coast, we've got plenty of room to store nuclear waste where it won't effect anyone regardless of what environmental damage it causes.

i'm not against using it ...... just against 'dumping' it.


was told that the "thorium" reactors are better/safer. but then again .. CCP is now trialling 'salt' cooled reactors?.

Bossxr8 - what you have said/mentioned is totally different to what Franco put up.

[ozrunner]

Originally Posted by mad2

i hope you were having a 'few' drinks then ........... coz that is one of the most stupidest ideas re put it in a hole out woop woop. what happens to any groundwater there?

Wrong, already happened approx 30 years ago in woop woop as there's a big deep hole going down to middle earth between Southern Cross and Coolgardie at Mt Walton East in WA that was established by the then WA Public Health Department to dispose of WA's very naughty waste INCLUDING low level radioactive material.

It's in a super stable ground environment and waste is put in very solid fully sealed drums and lowered down to the middle earth hobbits to lock away. It's managed so well that there's now talk it could be opened up for other States similar waste.

There's bucket loads of areas in Oz suitable for nuclear waste storage and we need to stop building those disgusting visual pollution wind and solar farms and move with the rest of the world to small stand alone nuclear reactors.

[Toiler]

Originally Posted by mad2

i'm not against using it ...... just against 'dumping' it.


was told that the "thorium" reactors are better/safer. but then again .. CCP is now trialling 'salt' cooled reactors?.

Bossxr8 - what you have said/mentioned is totally different to what Franco put up.

Thorium reactor researched was stopped in the 60's. The primary reason for stopping? They are TOO safe if built - they have no byproduct that can make bombs (Plutonium and such). An interesting read if you search or if you believe what you find when you search.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by stevefreestyle

100% Spot on !!

Notwithstanding the smug and sanctimonious ideological preaching of the radical Green Left, the only reason the market adopt Green Cars & Energy (solar Panels etc) is through the discriminatory and fundamentally unfair application of heavy Government Financial Incentives - resulting in a serious Market Distortion. They then hypocritically spin this contrived distortion, and say "look - see how much support and popularity Green products have....."

The fact is that EV cars have numerous and huge negatives (no pun intended) - including far greater energy intensive construction (ironically), higher use of rare & highly Toxic metals (Battery) et al. and are manifestly unsuited to the REALITIES of Australia.

Eh? We had no incentives in Australia for EV's till a month ago.

I think you might want to research into Fossil Fuel subsidies in Australia. Would you like for Petrol/Diesel to be priced at exactly what they should be without Subsidies as well then? What about the years of Subsidies that we got on Ford and Holden locally? Think you'll find that EV's aren't getting much subsidies in this country.

Originally Posted by hackney

Try telling that to any EV owner!That would not go down well @ all.Did you not know that they are ‘saving’ the planet!They all so sleep better @ night because it gives them that ‘warm & fuzzy’ feeling!

Love sweeping statements. I couldn't give a rats about the Saving the Planet angle. I want a stupidly fast car that costs a few cents to run! I don't want to keep sending money to the Middle East to fund their questionable regimes. We sleep better at night not having to pay $2 a litre for 98!

[hackney]

Originally Posted by kypez

Eh? We had no incentives in Australia for EV's till a month ago.

I think you might want to research into Fossil Fuel subsidies in Australia. Would you like for Petrol/Diesel to be priced at exactly what they should be without Subsidies as well then? What about the years of Subsidies that we got on Ford and Holden locally? Think you'll find that EV's aren't getting much subsidies in this country.



Love sweeping statements. I couldn't give a rats about the Saving the Planet angle. I want a stupidly fast car that costs a few cents to run! I don't want to keep sending money to the Middle East to fund their questionable regimes. We sleep better at night not having to pay $2 a litre for 98!

I ‘Love sweeping statements too’!Hydrogen is the way to go.Not these stupidly overpriced EVs.Don’t forget,you are charging from coal fired power stations!How good is that!

[kypez]

Originally Posted by hackney

I ‘Love sweeping statements too’!Hydrogen is the way to go.Not these stupidly overpriced EVs.Don’t forget,you are charging from coal fired power stations!How good is that!

Again, I don't care! It's Aussie coal anyway. I don't care for the "Green" angle. Name a 4 door, 5 seater car that can do 0-100 in less than 3.5 seconds and a quarter mile in 11.5 seconds for under $95 k all whilst costing $1.10 per/100 (using the grid solely)? Go on, I'll wait.

To be fair, we have solar so it's mostly "free" anyway.

You can keep your hydrogen. I don't want to pay for fuel anymore. If you enjoy being at the mercy of those companies, knock yourself out.

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[hackney]

Originally Posted by kypez

Again, I don't care! It's Aussie coal anyway. I don't care for the "Green" angle. Name a 4 door, 5 seater car that can do 0-100 in less than 3.5 seconds and a quarter mile in 11.5 seconds for under $95 k all whilst costing $1.10 per/100 (using the grid solely)? Go on, I'll wait.

To be fair, we have solar so it's mostly "free" anyway.

You can keep your hydrogen. I don't want to pay for fuel anymore. If you enjoy being at the mercy of those companies, knock yourself out.

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I also have solar,so power prices are no issue for me.But the majority of people who purchase the things,& think they are ‘helping OR saving’ the planet,could not be more further from the truth(just plain fact.)They make little or no difference in the scheme of things.Eventually governments will introduce more taxes on them.Enjoy it while you can,because things will change,it is just the way it is.As far as fuel prices go,could not care less,does not impact me that much anyway.

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by hackney

I also have solar,so power prices are no issue for me.But the majority of people who purchase the things,& think they are ‘helping OR saving’ the planet,could not be more further from the truth(just plain fact.)They make little or no difference in the scheme of things.Eventually governments will introduce more taxes on them.Enjoy it while you can,because things will change,it is just the way it is.As far as fuel prices go,could not care less,does not impact me that much anyway.

Not entirely true, especially as we thankfully close more of our coal stations.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/26/life...perts-say.html

[hackney]

Originally Posted by Wretched

Not entirely true, especially as we thankfully close more of our coal stations.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/26/life...perts-say.html

Yes you are correct,but,as I alluded to.EVs will get more tax lumped on them eventually,to a point that who could be bothered owning one.They are in their infancy @ the moment.Things will change as they always do.I have no issue with them,but do not think it is the way of the future.

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by hackney

Yes you are correct,but,as I alluded to.EVs will get more tax lumped on them eventually,to a point that who could be bothered owning one.They are in their infancy @ the moment.Things will change as they always do.I have no issue with them,but do not think it is the way of the future.

We will just have to wait and see what the "future" holds, as technology evolves.
Right now it looks like EVs are here to stay with Hydrogen for those it is more suited to.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by mad2

i hope you were having a 'few' drinks then ........... coz that is one of the most stupidest ideas re put it in a hole out woop woop. what happens to any groundwater there?

They'd put a tarp down first Duh.

[mad2]

Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

They'd put a tarp down first Duh.

i should bl000dy well hope so!

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by hackney

Yes you are correct,but,as I alluded to.EVs will get more tax lumped on them eventually,to a point that who could be bothered owning one.They are in their infancy @ the moment.Things will change as they always do.I have no issue with them,but do not think it is the way of the future.

You are exactly right. State governments simply will not let fuel taxes disappear, and not be replaced with some other tax to screw the motorist. Vic is already leading the charge with their EV tax per km driven.

Any of the smug EV owners who think they will be getting off scot free are in for a rude shock. I'm sure the governments will ratchet the tax up high enough so they don't lose a dollar of their income in future, when EV's become more popular.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

You are exactly right. State governments simply will not let fuel taxes disappear, and not be replaced with some other tax to screw the motorist. Vic is already leading the charge with their EV tax per km driven.



Any of the smug EV owners who think they will be getting off scot free are in for a rude shock. I'm sure the governments will ratchet the tax up high enough so they don't lose a dollar of their income in future, when EV's become more popular.

NSW have said they will Grandfather the rules so no tax as long as you didn't benefit from the rebates. Safe for early adopters.

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[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by kypez

NSW have said they will Grandfather the rules so no tax as long as you didn't benefit from the rebates. Safe for early adopters.

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Believing politicians

[wodahs]

so a side note to this "fossil sh!t" is running out and we need to go ev
so doesn't a lot of oil base stuff go in to making tyres ?
and if fossil is gone what we going to make tyres from ?
no fossil no tyres , no tyres no need for ev's

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Believing politicians

True. I'll give you that. Be interesting if they don't honour it.

Meanwhile, it's 2027 before I have to worry about it so that's 5 more tax free years ahead of me. Plenty of time to enjoy it.

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