Covid 19 -

[b0son]

Originally Posted by wodahs

these from the age care facility shouldnt have been infected at all , because they had been vaccinated.

Says who? Maybe brush up on some immunology.

Compare the UK numbers. Despite hitting >20k new infections per day, there are 10-fold fewer deaths per day than the first time they hit 20k infections per day in Oct 2020. It's early days yet and deaths are likely to climb a little given there's a 2 week lag, but it's clear the vaccine significantly reduces mortality.

And that's a fail in your book? Considering the first attempts at mRNA vaccines were failures, I think Pfizer and Moderna have done pretty well. It's a great example of what we can achieve when the people are put before bureaucracy. If the bureaucrats had their way, we'd be waiting another 5 years or more.

[Citroënbender]

The other burning question is, will the 2021 Deni Ute Muster go ahead? It’s only twelve weeks away.

[oldel]

Why cancel it? Seems like a great opportunity for a roll out.

[oldel]

My burning question is why has no one photoshopped a shiny and chrome mask on the dep/comm police guy yet? Guy's name is worboys FFS. Mediocre!

"My world is reduced to a single instinct: Survive. As the world fell it was hard to know who was more crazy. Me... Or everyone else."

On a serious note, where's the people in NSW a year ago taking this thing seriously, making vids about "stay the fsck at home"? Did it back then but don't care now and want to make it the rest of the countries problem too?

[Trevor 57]

its good to see the Prime Minister finally not looking so smug - even his own are turning on him and finally the media are starting to see through his charade and are asking the right questions

[Citroënbender]

I think his rivals are gently stirring the baste, in readiness as they subtly turn up the heat. It’s a slow cooking recipe, though, Oie de la Capitale.

It’s unthinkable that one US state would turn so absolutely against the people of another as the states have here; more remarkable in light of their deep historical divisions and biases. I believe they are better glued together than we, as at the core of their ideology, all want to be American - I’m skeptical there is the same bond here.

[lumen8]

Australian Open boss Craig Tiley warns players will not accept strict quarantine again

‘Not something they’re going to be open to’ in 2022, says Tiley

Australian Open boss Craig Tiley is warning international tennis players will not accept the same strict quarantine conditions required for the 2021 tournament.

Tiley said that, with players having much more freedom than they had in Melbourne, they would not accept returning to such restrictions.

“At this point in our conversations with the playing group, that’s not something they’re going to be open to simply because it’s not something they’re currently doing around the world.”

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...arantine-again

[DJR-351]

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

Well, let's be honest about this, you are a Western Bulldogs supporter

And proudly!…
Missed their “54” grannie (cos not yet born) missed their 2016 cos in Malta with Mrs… I’d suggest Doggies a certainty this year cos I again am away?
(Ooops, Covid thread, not AFL! lo siento)

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by b0son

Says who? Maybe brush up on some immunology.

Compare the UK numbers. Despite hitting >20k new infections per day, there are 10-fold fewer deaths per day than the first time they hit 20k infections per day in Oct 2020. It's early days yet and deaths are likely to climb a little given there's a 2 week lag, but it's clear the vaccine significantly reduces mortality.

And that's a fail in your book? Considering the first attempts at mRNA vaccines were failures, I think Pfizer and Moderna have done pretty well. It's a great example of what we can achieve when the people are put before bureaucracy. If the bureaucrats had their way, we'd be waiting another 5 years or more.

then what was the point of your post rebuting creatives post ?
an no its not a fail in my book but is not a garanteed pass either or is that incorrect in your book

[b0son]

Originally Posted by wodahs

then what was the point of your post rebuting creatives post ?

that it's somewhere between reducing infection rate and reducing severity. both of which have an effect on transmissibility, which reduces R0 to the point where something can no longer be considered pandemic.

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT July 8th 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

42 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR is 2.945%.

1 new case and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 0.941% and active cases 41.

The UK had a lower 31,977 cases yesterday and higher 35 deaths and a CMR of 2.555%.

A much higher 31,972 new cases in the USA yesterday and higher 333 deaths sees CMR at 1.795%.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 186M, the last 1M in 2 days;
Asia passes 59M cases;
Africa sets a new daily high with 46,542 cases;
The United Kingdom passes 5M cases;

Cyprus (993);
South Korea (1,275) - the previous high on 25/12/20;
Vietnam (1,314);
Mozambique (1,806);
Myanmar (4,132) - the 5th consecutive day;
Cuba (3,819);
Thailand (7,058);
Iraq (9,189);
Bangladesh (11,651); and
Indonesia (38,391)

... all recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

No countries move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period while Venezuela drops below.

[russellw]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Missed their “54” grannie (cos not yet born) missed their 2016 cos in Malta with Mrs… I’d suggest Doggies a certainty this year cos I again am away?
(Ooops, Covid thread, not AFL! lo siento

Las únicas certezas son la muerte y los impuestos!
Is there a common theme here? Maybe your absence improves their chance of winning.

[Polyal]

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work...b6b384c41f81e6

Wont quote myself, but why the heck not.

[T3rminator]

[Citroënbender]

Sydney is not looking good for (revised) on-time ending of lockdown restrictions. I was on the fringe of the spotlit area earlier today, and sensed a lot more “**** you” in peoples’ manners. It may take some high community profile deaths or genuine close calls to change.

[Dr Jekkyl]

Originally Posted by creative

so a 'vaccine' that doesnt prevent you from getting covid, just lessen the affect is a way of being covid free?

how does that work??? We all just walk around having contracted thinking we are safe because we had jab? That doesnt stop a pandemic... it just masks it.

If the vaccine 'stopped' you getting it... that's a whole lot of reason to get it and I suspect would be a 100% uptake by the public.....

There is no 'masking' and no vaccine 'stops' you from being infected by the pathogen it is designed to protect against. A vaccine primes your immune system such that any subsequent exposure to a pathogen bearing the same antigen is met with a more rapid, powerful and specific immune response.

In some cases this response is so effective that the infection is not even noticed (for example measles), in other cases the severity of symptoms and/or duration of illness is reduced but infection has obviously occurred (influenza). Pathogen replication and spread is reduced but not necessarily prevented.

EVERY SINGLE REPLICATION of this virus (and there are a lot!) has the potential to result in a mutation that generates an antigen for which the current vaccines were not designed around.

I suspect SARS-CoV2 will be with us for sometime yet.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

Sydney is not looking good for (revised) on-time ending of lockdown restrictions. I was on the fringe of the spotlit area earlier today, and sensed a lot more “**** you” in peoples’ manners. It may take some high community profile deaths or genuine close calls to change.

Citro, are you surprised people aren't listening though?

Bank in another 2 weeks, at least. Stay safe.

[T3rminator]

Home quarantine being trialed in South Australia for the vaccinated. Although the trial will be on a group of people who are unlikely to breach protocols, so not sure if this will really "test" the system.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-...reak/100281492

South Australian Premier Steven Marshall said the trial would involve returning defence personnel and Paralympians.

Both cohorts must have been fully vaccinated in Australia.

"It will progress only under strict safety and surveillance measures and only when approved by our public health experts," Mr Marshall said.

"While we will be the first jurisdiction to return South Australians through home quarantine, it is expected other states will then adopt the system."

[MITCHAY]

Masks be gone! Well not to midnight but going nowhere between now and then

I was going to buy some fabric ones but I said **** it, I have a few disposables left in a pinch

[creative]

Originally Posted by Dr Jekkyl

There is no 'masking' and no vaccine 'stops' you from being infected by the pathogen it is designed to protect against. A vaccine primes your immune system such that any subsequent exposure to a pathogen bearing the same antigen is met with a more rapid, powerful and specific immune response.

In some cases this response is so effective that the infection is not even noticed (for example measles), in other cases the severity of symptoms and/or duration of illness is reduced but infection has obviously occurred (influenza). Pathogen replication and spread is reduced but not necessarily prevented.

EVERY SINGLE REPLICATION of this virus (and there are a lot!) has the potential to result in a mutation that generates an antigen for which the current vaccines were not designed around.

I suspect SARS-CoV2 will be with us for sometime yet.

Thank you..

Thats actually very insightful and informative.... and has also had a positive impact on my opinion...

[Trevor 57]

People, (including leaders) have NOT learnt from others mistakes, including their own (ala Ruby Princess)

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Polyal

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work...b6b384c41f81e6

Wont quote myself, but why the heck not.

Who the hell are the TGA to tell a pub who they can give free beers to??

I think it's a great initiative. So very Australian.

On the other hand.. the response by the TGA...

But remember.. it's not a race.. and clever scientists will create a magical number eventually and it will be a scientific number. We will have a meeting in a few months to set up a task force to assess the situation and to possibly, maybe, put together a plan to move forward in the hope of something happening in a few years... maybe...

I wonder if the Liberals will still retain power in 22?

[Charliewool]

Further to my previous rant…
https://www.news.com.au/travel/peopl...32f88a04844aa4

[russellw]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Masks be gone! Well not to midnight but going nowhere between now and then

I was going to buy some fabric ones but I said **** it, I have a few disposables left in a pinch

In Victoria they only removed the requirement for masks in the office but not for other public facing indoor activity. Wherever you are, I'd be investing in some anyway as they are likely to be a part of our future.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Who the hell are the TGA to tell a pub who they can give free beers to??

They actually can't, because the pub is not the one administering then vaccine. The TGA have absolutely no jurisdiction over anyone not providing therapeutic goods/devices.

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT July 9th 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

48 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR is 2.940%.

1 new case and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 0.940% and active cases 32.

The UK had a higher 35,200 cases yesterday and lower 29 deaths and a CMR of 2.538%.

A lower 26,727 new cases in the USA yesterday and higher 377 deaths sees CMR at 1.794%.

Other notable points:
Africa sets a new daily high with 47,459 cases (8/7);
Brazil passes 19M cases;

Fiji (860);
South Korea (1,316);
Vietnam (1,625);
Libya (1,710) - the previous high on 25/10/20;
Zimbabwe (2,683);
Myanmar (4,320) - the 6th consecutive day;
Cuba (6,422) - almost double the previous high;
Thailand (9,276); and
Malaysia (9,180);

... all recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

No countries move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period while Argentina drops below.

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by russellw

In Victoria they only removed the requirement for masks in the office but not for other public facing indoor activity. Wherever you are, I'd be investing in some anyway as they are likely to be a part of our future.

And maybe invest in the manufacturing of them.

[russellw]

Those who have been watching, will have noticed that the overall global case numbers have started to rise again over the last few weeks after they had been in decline.

Looking at the graph for the last 6 weeks, we can see that:

Asia dropped significantly after the India crisis but has been climbing again over the last 2 weeks;
Africa has been steadily increasing over the entire 6 week period and in fact has set new record highs over 6 of the last 10 days and the 10-day average of 40k cases / day is well above the 90th percentile of 25k;
Europe has been steadily climbing the last two weeks;
North America has been fairly stable although the trend is slightly upward again; and
South America has been coming off a peak the last few weeks.



We'll drill down on those a bit more below.

[russellw]

Let's start with Asia. As mentioned above, once India came off the big peaks, the numbers for the continent also shot down but they have been creeping up again and India, with a 40k cases/day 10-day average (10dA) is not really responsible for the increases.

Bangladesh has a 10dA of 9,610 cases / day (and 3 new records in that period) which is well above the 90th percentile of 3,336 and case numbers have been steadily climbing since early-June when the 10dA was only 1,766.

Indonesia has a 10dA of 29,994 cases / day which is well above the 90th percentile of 10,217 and case numbers have been steadily climbing since early-June when the 10dA was only 6,423.

Iraq has a 10dA of 7,632 cases / day (and two new records) which is above the 90th percentile of 5,905 and case numbers have been steadily climbing since mid-June when the 10dA was only 3,991.

Kazakhstan has a 10dA of 2,688 cases / day (and a new record) which is above the 90th percentile of 2,126 and case numbers have been steadily climbing since early-June when the 10dA was only 998.

South Korea has a 10dA of 917 cases / day which is above the 90th percentile of 698 but two of the last 3 days have set new records and case numbers have been steadily climbing since mid-June when the 10dA was only 447.

Cyprus has a 10dA of 703 cases / day (and two new records) which is above the 90th percentile of 467 and case numbers have been steadily climbing since early-June when the 10dA was only 56.

Malaysia has a 10dA of 7,214 cases / day (and a new record) which is above the 90th percentile of 5,275 and case numbers have been steadily climbing since late-April when the 10dA was only 3,221.

Myanmar, which had dropped so far in May that I took it off the watch list has a 10dA of 2,868 cases / day (and six new records in a row) which is well above the 90th percentile of 1,293 and case numbers have been steadily climbing since late-May when the 10dA was only 37!

Although not as bad Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Oman, Iran and Kuwait are all above the 90th percentile for their 10dA.

On the plus side of the coin: (the first number is the 10dA and the 2nd is the 90th percentile:

Lebanon (247 / 3,110); Jordan (506 / 4,948); Palestine (103 / 1,812); Sri Lanka (1,426 / 1,916); Turkey (5,060 / 29,727); Armenia (116 / 1,174); UAE (1,655 / 2,887); Bahrain (141 / 1,113); Georgia (997 / 2,196); Qatar (130 / 996); Japan (1,659 / 4,483); Israel (380 / 4,981); Azerbaijan (100 / 2,188); Saudi Arabia (1,280 / 2,591) and Pakistan (1,308 / 4,448) are all below their 90th percentile.