Covid 19 -

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Further to my previous rant…
https://www.news.com.au/travel/peopl...32f88a04844aa4

I think the article is confusing certain gov's inaction and mismanagement to joe public "not caring". Several hundred millions of tax payer money will now be spent on building proper facilities to bring citizens home safely, and I don't hear anyone complaining.

Hotels were not built for quarantine, and its clear that health officials across all major states are struggling to contain the leaks. Makes sense you would take some burden off the system until you get it right. Unless of course we just accept to live with the virus, which we won't.

[russellw]

Europe has been travelling pretty well although the UK has started to climb again the last two weeks with a 10dA of 28,279 which is above the 90th percentile of 26,798 while the only other country above the 90th percentile is Spain although the 10dA of 13,745 is below the 90th percentile of 16,872 but will pass it again shortly.

South America is also mostly good news with only Colombia (well) above the 90th percentile with a 10dA of 25,855 and a 90th percentile of 19,984.

Not so good in North America despite the USA having a big drop in case averages - currently 16,768 against a 90th percentile of 184k there are some other countries going the wrong way:

Cuba has a 10dA of 3,680 cases / day (and several new records) which is above the 90th percentile of 1,172 and case numbers have been steadily climbing since early-June when the 10dA was only 1,191.

Guatemala has a 10dA of 2,163 cases / day which is above the 90th percentile of 1,335 and case numbers have been steadily climbing since mid-May when the 10dA was only 900.

Costa Rica, Dominican Republic and Honduras are all above the 90th percentile as well but not by such big margins.

On the plus side:

Argentina (17,984 / 23,690); Brazil - finally (50,719 / 75,822) but still too high; Bolivia (1,556 / 2,156); Chile (2,862 / 6,727); Ecuador (958 / 1,907); Paraguay (1,450 / 2,278); Peru (2,462 / 7,990) and Uruguay (772 / 2,827) have all made significant inroads.

[russellw]

.. and then there is Africa. It's the worst of the continents over the last few weeks but a drill-down makes it easy to see why.

South Africa has a 10dA of 20,322 cases / day (and two new records) which is above the 90th percentile of 12,634 and case numbers have been steadily climbing since early-May when the 10dA was only 1,177.

Namibia has a 10dA of 1,382 cases / day which is above the 90th percentile of 455 and case numbers have been steadily climbing since late-May when the 10dA was only 263.

Tunisia has a 10dA of 6,755 cases / day which is above the 90th percentile of 2,180 and case numbers have been steadily climbing since early-May when the 10dA was only 900.

Mozambique has a 10dA of 1,042 cases / day (and a new high) which is above the 90th percentile of 599 and case numbers have been steadily climbing since late-May when the 10dA was only 21.

Zambia has a 10dA of 2,034 cases / day which is above the 90th percentile of 1,231 and case numbers have been steadily climbing since late-May when the 10dA was only 275.

Zimbabwe has a 10dA of 1,653 cases / day (and two new records) which is well above the 90th percentile of 355 and case numbers have been steadily climbing since mid-May when the 10dA was only 15.

Although not as bad, Uganda, Algeria, Senegal and Libya are all above the 90th percentile while only:

Morocco (925 / 3,255) although it is creeping up; Egypt (183 / 1,190); Kenya (437 / 958); Angola (110 / 212); Mauritania (75 / 126); Madagascar (18 / 257); Cabo Verde (40 / 137) and Ghana (147 / 532) are travelling well.

[Itsme]

Fingers crossed I hope the Sydneysider's get this latest covid outbreak under control and defeat it.

Cheers

[zilo]

A man tested positive after arriving in the UK from Australia.
Tested positive for the Delta (indian strain).

Spent a few days in....TASMANIA...before flying to Tullamarine then UK.

Nothing to worry about the chief medical officer of tasmania said tonight.

HAHAHA...where have we heard this before...

Here comes the big angry bear...

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

Fingers crossed I hope the Sydneysider's get this latest covid outbreak under control and defeat it…

Normally I detest this academic’s Covid viewpoints, but I can see absolutely in the current situation, as informed by NSW’s response thus far - why her commentary is accurate.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/lo...8-9bbbadfc514b

As a side point to Sydney’s current new regs, the exercise within your LGA or no more than 10km from your home has me puzzled. Nowhere official can I find which is the overarching constraint if your LGA is small.

[Pis-ton broke]

govco are banging on about face masks, because airbourne transmission rated the most dangerous, but surface contact is no. two, and not one word about that.
i hear the germ can live for 24h on a surface, is this true?

[T3rminator]

How are the regional folks feeling? Apparently sewage samples being taken multiple times a day to monitor for any unreported cases, but border closure seems inevitable. Last count 17,000 red permits approved into Vic, more to come with school holidays finishing up.

‘Razor’s edge’: Victorians given final warning to exit NSW as border closures loom

https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...10-p588kf.html

Originally Posted by zilo

A man tested positive after arriving in the UK from Australia.
Tested positive for the Delta (indian strain).

Spent a few days in....TASMANIA...before flying to Tullamarine then UK.

Nothing to worry about the chief medical officer of tasmania said tonight.

HAHAHA...where have we heard this before...

Here comes the big angry bear...

Quick, stop all flights from the UK and Tassie! He also had a stop over in Singapore, reckon high chance he caught it there or even after landing back in the UK. Delta is rampant in the UK, and the incubation period is very short? Otherwise...look out!

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by Pis-ton broke

govco are banging on about face masks, because airbourne transmission rated the most dangerous, but surface contact is no. two, and not one word about that.
i hear the germ can live for 24h on a surface, is this true?

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[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Pis-ton broke

govco are banging on about face masks, because airbourne transmission rated the most dangerous, but surface contact is no. two, and not one word about that.
i hear the germ can live for 24h on a surface, is this true?

Very aware of this. Pack of throwaway gloves, use them or the hand sanitiser everytime you check in somewhere. Partically careful around service stations multiple people using the pump handles all day.
Even worst along major hwys as city folk use these when passing through the country.

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

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Ya missed one - Undercarriage of passenger jet India to Australia 24 hrs?
Dormant in severe cold at 37,000 feet, active on landing Australia.
Just a thought, just a thought!

Cheers King Billy

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT July 10th 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

64 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR is 2.934%.

No new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 0.940% and active cases 32.

The UK had a lower 31,800 cases yesterday and higher 35 deaths for a CMR of 2.523%.

A higher 27,808 new cases in the USA yesterday and lower 374 deaths sees CMR at 1.794%.

Other notable points: (weekend reporting)
Global cases pass 187M, the last 1M in 2 days;
Brazil passes 19M cases;

South Korea (1,378);
Vietnam (1,853);
Kazakhstan (3,130);
Myanmar (4,377) - the 7th consecutive day;
Cuba (6,750);
Thailand (9,326); and
Malaysia (9,353);

... all recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

The Netherlands move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period while no countries drop below.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

Ya missed one - Undercarriage of passenger jet India to Australia 24 hrs?

Dormant in severe cold at 37,000 feet, active on landing Australia.

Just a thought, just a thought!



Cheers King Billy

+ frozen packaging 3 weeks

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Pis-ton broke

govco are banging on about face masks, because airbourne transmission rated the most dangerous, but surface contact is no. two, and not one word about that.

and where do the droplets that end up surfaces come from? your mouth.

if everyone wore masks, you'd have less of both airborne AND surface transmission. but everyone carries on they're an emphysema patient on their last legs at the prospect of wearing masks.

and the moment there's a lockdown called, despite previously everyone happy to sit on their couches, I'm seeing people suddenly out training for the Tokyo olympic walking race. have never seen so many people out walking.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

Ya missed one - Undercarriage of passenger jet India to Australia 24 hrs?
Dormant in severe cold at 37,000 feet, active on landing Australia.
Just a thought, just a thought!

Not sure if serious

[PG2]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

Ya missed one - Undercarriage of passenger jet India to Australia 24 hrs?
Dormant in severe cold at 37,000 feet, active on landing Australia.
Just a thought, just a thought!

Cheers King Billy

Originally Posted by GasoLane

Not sure if serious

Unfortunately, yeah, I think he is serious.



Here's a scenario using your face mask.

You go to the shops and grab your face mask, the one that you have been using all day. So when you touch it the germs transfer from your mask to your hands.

Then you walk into the shops without hand sanitising and touch a heap of things.

[Trendseeker]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

As a side point to Sydney’s current new regs, the exercise within your LGA or no more than 10km from your home has me puzzled. Nowhere official can I find which is the overarching constraint if your LGA is small.

That question was put to NSW Health for clarity and they said the key word is “or”; you can do both.

Commenting on the 10km rule, a NSW Health spokeswoman said: “This means people must stay within their LGA, but they can also cross LGA borders as long as they do not travel further than 10km from their home.

“This acknowledges the pragmatic reality that many people live in close proximity to LGA borders and their closest park may be in a neighbouring LGA.”

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/bre...e6a74ba10f9fb8

Originally Posted by Pis-ton broke

i hear the germ can live for 24h on a surface, is this true?

There is also a possibility that it can be caught through your eyes.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020...ough-your-eyes

[T3rminator]

Your every day mask that you get from the shop, their primary goal is to reduce viral load. Someone coughs or sneezes, would you rather that person have a mask on or not? Infections through touching goods has not yet proven to be a primary source of spread I don't think? Masks + social distancing + limited movement will beat exponential growth of infections.


‘We know what Sydney’s going through’: Victoria offers COVID experts, support as NSW outbreak worsens]
https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...11-p588mj.html

“I’ve offered [NSW Premier] Gladys [Berejiklian] and her team any support, any learnings, any understanding, any data, any people that they need,” Mr Andrews said on Sunday afternoon after NSW reported the death of a woman in her 90s and 77 new local coronavirus cases.

“Some things can be done well, from a long way away. Some things are much better to be on the ground and have that local knowledge. But we have made those offers, and we stand ready to support our NSW friends any way that we possibly can. If there’s a problem in Sydney, there’s a problem everywhere.

“We know what Sydney is going through. Second waves are very, very challenging.”

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by b0son

and where do the droplets that end up surfaces come from? your mouth.

if everyone wore masks, you'd have less of both airborne AND surface transmission. but everyone carries on they're an emphysema patient on their last legs at the prospect of wearing masks.

and the moment there's a lockdown called, despite previously everyone happy to sit on their couches, I'm seeing people suddenly out training for the Tokyo olympic walking race. have never seen so many people out walking.

Biggest problem I've seen with this is parents dragging all their children (not masked up) through stores touching everything in sight, running around, coughing and not social distancing from other people not in their family.

Maybe just one parent could go to the store, the other stay home without taking the whole family.

[T3rminator]

Yes, aware its a Laura Tingle article....but oh my word. I always thought it was rather odd Pfizer would issue an immediate statement to clarify the words of the PM.

Senior business figures turned to former PM Kevin Rudd to intervene in bringing forward Australia's Pfizer vaccine supply
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-...xecs/100284902

As a result, one very senior Australian businessman — whose identity is known to the ABC but who wishes to remain anonymous — held two meetings with senior Pfizer executives in late June, only to be rebuffed.

Senior Pfizer executives told the businessman that if Australia was to make a more serious effort, after its treatment at the hands of relatively junior bureaucrats, it would have to come from much higher up, expressing their astonishment that Prime Minister Scott Morrison had not directly spoken to the Pfizer chairman and chief executive Albert Bourla, as former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had done on multiple occasions.

The executives suggested that, in the absence of Mr Morrison, former Australian prime minister Kevin Rudd — who was known to them because of his work in the United States as head of the New York-based Asia Society — may have some influence.

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

Not sure if serious

Of course I am serious!...this thing travels in the air, not on people only, its on our clothes our skin its everywhere, that's how folk get sick, breathing in the particles, our body doesn't activate the virus?...the virus is already active in or out of our bodies, our pets too!

But why can't it travel by air, as a stowaway inside a cargo bay, or the wheel bay on an intercontinental airline, and spread at its destination.
If folk on a flight from India are all negative to Covid-19 then we get sick folk all over the city they land in, where/how did it travel!...on the plane that brought em here.

I know my ideas seem odd, but this virus is beyond odd or strange, maybe we need to think/ look at it more simply, I reckon a forum like this has as much chance of working it out as a bunch of so called "scientific experts"


Cheers King Billy

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

Of course I am serious!...this thing travels in the air, not on people only, its on our clothes our skin its everywhere, that's how folk get sick, breathing in the particles, our body doesn't activate the virus?...the virus is already active in or out of our bodies, our pets too!

But why can't it travel by air, as a stowaway inside a cargo bay, or the wheel bay on an intercontinental airline, and spread at its destination.
If folk on a flight from India are all negative to Covid-19 then we get sick folk all over the city they land in, where/how did it travel!...on the plane that brought em here.

I know my ideas seem odd, but this virus is beyond odd or strange, maybe we need to think/ look at it more simply, I reckon a forum like this has as much chance of working it out as a bunch of so called "scientific experts"

Hmm, ok. So going on your wheel well theory there would be no stopping this thing anywhere anytime.

As most large aircraft open the wheel wells about 8k out the little buggers would be scattering themselves all over the metro flight paths 8 kms before the plane has landed.

Then you multiply that by the air traffic worldwide and the theory tends to look a little fragile.

[PG2]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

...

I know my ideas seem odd, but this virus is beyond odd or strange, maybe we need to think/ look at it more simply, I reckon a forum like this has as much chance of working it out as a bunch of so called "scientific experts"


Cheers King Billy

Billy, or King Billy or Whatever you want to refer to yourself as

I love this forum, but...

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Yes, aware its a Laura Tingle article....but oh my word. I always thought it was rather odd Pfizer would issue an immediate statement to clarify the words of the PM.

Senior business figures turned to former PM Kevin Rudd to intervene in bringing forward Australia's Pfizer vaccine supply
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-...xecs/100284902

Unbelievable! What a scoop; what a schmoozer!

[Citroënbender]

I was expecting this announcement tomorrow. Recommendation to advance the second dose of Astra Zeneca for those who are chronologically enriched.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-...shot/100284500

What about next having targeted initiatives for south-west Sydney? Get a shot, get a half price triple cheese kaak?

[Yellow_Festiva]

We are at 11% full vaccination now...

Get my second jab next week. Looking forward to it.

Now that holidays are over and I'm back to 3 shifts a week in the CBD I feel I will be knowing my local Covid testing place workers by first name soon enough.

How soon after exposure does it show in your system? Trying to work out my testing schedule..

[Citroënbender]

What are your building’s rules for incoming casual trades and Covid testing? Aside from the mandated Covid-Safe stuff, I mean; do you ask if they’ve been tested recently or anything?

Interested because I’ve got to bring in a random for wall sawing and chasing. Would prefer to find a balance between protection and courtesy.

[cs123]

Originally Posted by PG2

Billy, or King Billy or Whatever you want to refer to yourself as

I love this forum, but...

I don't know. Clearly King Bill has researched this by watching 80s action movies where the hero was able to hide in the wheel bays of an aircraft to escape the bad guys.

If Segal/Arnie/Willis can do it, I am sure a little virus can do it too.

I don't see any flaws in his logic or brain....

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

What are your building’s rules for incoming casual trades and Covid testing? Aside from the mandated Covid-Safe stuff, I mean; do you ask if they’ve been tested recently or anything?

Interested because I’ve got to bring in a random for wall sawing and chasing. Would prefer to find a balance between protection and courtesy.

Just looked at the most recent staff updates:

* Face masks required in all common areas - staff and residents.
* All recreational facilities closed.
* Only essential tradespeople allowed on site arranged through Strata or Building Management. Must sign in with QR code.
* Cleaning of all high contact surfaces in common areas every 2 hours.

Nothing on visitors or food deliveries (and we get hundreds of both a day).

Nothing mentioned regarding proof of testing.

Back to work tomorrow, I will probably get filled in before my shift.

I assume that cleaning will probably be changed to hourly and we will try our best to restrict visitors / food deliveries from getting past the lobby area.

Now we will have compulsory check in for staff as well.

We will probably set the main entry doors to swipe access only so that only residents can get into the building.

See what happens.

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

Hmm, ok. So going on your wheel well theory there would be no stopping this thing anywhere anytime.

As most large aircraft open the wheel wells about 8k out the little buggers would be scattering themselves all over the metro flight paths 8 kms before the plane has landed.

Then you multiply that by the air traffic worldwide and the theory tends to look a little fragile.


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Mmm, that's very interesting, I suppose the little blue tear-drops are covid cases in that place, ie:- east coast Australia.
So below the equator with minimal air traffic we have 5 places where covid is active.
But above the equator where air traffic is thick and jammed together, then that's were the more active cases are!..roughly 50 plus!
Its on your map not mine,


Cheers slowsnake, Sir William, Billy, King Billy