Covid 19 -

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

so you are OK if the people you care about die because of selfishness of others - cool

it already happens, you can die crossing the road. Do we lockdown cars?

[Trevor 57]

I don't want to debate this with you, I just hope nothing happens to someone you love. You have shown your true colours

Selfishness lives on - unreal

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Polyal

With all due respect Trev do we stop society for the minority?

We should protect and help/support them.

Isnt that what were trying to do by way of lockdown?

That your first sentence is a consequence of doing the latter is just how it is.

I'm so ****ing sick of hearing people from NSW talking down to the rest of us.
Victoria has done it hard, when their 2nd wave began they didn't have experience to draw on but they soon learnt that this thing doesn't give you time to ponder, they learnt from it at the expense of hundreds of vulnerable citizens.
We in SA watched, learnt and whilst our snap lockdown late last year was a false alarm it was the right decision in the moment. That we got released once they had a better handle on it is the system at work.
Fast forward to more recent and Victoria hasnt hesitated to make the hard call and the results are obvious compared to wave 2.
Unfortunately the GSS have spent the past 18 months pointing the finger at those in the front lines, when it finally became their time to act they clearly exposed themselves as ignorant and having learnt nothing.

I'm in an interesting position in that I'm currently housing an ex NSW resident who hasn't experienced a lockdown.
When ours was announced yesterday my family knew exactly what to expect and what was required of them, the visitor had no idea.
I had a quick nap yesterday afternoon whilst my Wife took the opportunity to grab a few things from the shops before 6pm.
I woke to an empty house, our ex NSW visitor nowhere in sight, at 6pm i sent her a message to remind her that we are now in lockdown.
Her response, yeah I'm just visiting a friend..

It was then that I realised first hand that some people from certain parts of the country have no idea what it looks like to be in lockdown and think its some joke that isn't really that important.
So whilst those with prior experience understand the consequence and act accordingly despite the inconvenience, its quite obvious that others have NFI and just want to whinge as they have nothing else to draw on.

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

1 daughter, the most ill, is seriously considering not getting the Pfizer vaccine because of the absolute bull-**** she is reading on the net, is that OK?

Get her to stop reading on the net and do whatever her specialist says she should.

People like your family are the ones who need to get protected by the many. The many are failing them. As I have said all along, if everyone got AZ (except those who are advised not to have ANY vaccine, not just a preference thing) we would probably lose 20 odd people to clotting. But we will lose more than that probably just in this NSW outbreak alone, and that is before you factor in the other losses in lives in the next outbreaks, plus lives and livelihoods that are the results of constant lockdowns.

I would choose Pfizer, but I couldn't. So I got AZ and will look to a Pfizer or Moderna booster as soon as it is available. I did this because the ONLY way out is to get enough of the population covered so that families like yours have some protections if they are unable to have a vaccine. But we have a whole swathe of people either fearing the vaccines, or just wanting others to do the job for them, hoping this will all blow over. It wont.

Plus we have a medical fraternity that is not very smart. They do not look beyond the first choice. They stopped AZ out of fear of 20 dying and now there will be hundreds more than that die. But at least it wont be directly due to their decision. We have millions of shots on the shelf because of that. Looks like we will just give the away now for some political gain only. They stopped masks at the start because they said the users wouldn't wear them right and not protect themselves, totally forgetting about the fact that it protects others from the wearer way better than nothing at all. But they do tell us don't touch the football.

Hit 70% and as long as anyone who wanted a shot has got one, open up. Tell people it will be fully vaxxed for travel or events. Name the target now and maybe the fence sitters my do something useful. But our medical professionals are too scared to put their name to anything like that, our politicians frozen with out being able to claim they are just following "the science, the medical advice".

[T3rminator]

Did I just hear correctly? Up to 73 potentially out in the community whilst infectious?

Originally Posted by DJR-351

Hence my small token of protest below my avatar re location, this pandemic has really brought out the a-hole in some people re state v state, unfortunately a few populating this thread.

Wouldn't worry too much about car forum members, naturally a vocal bunch. A bit like telling NRL fans they should put aside state vs state.

Seriously though, not only state vs state, you now have LGA vs LGA. One only needs to look at the actions of our leaders to understand how we got here. BTW, I don't even think its state vs state, its more like everyone else....and then there is one.

Originally Posted by slowsnake

Am sorry the removalists mother passed away from Covid-19....but her 2 stupid sons should of realised just how dangerous they were!...maybe they were just "thick" no common sense, but they should of been dragged out off their truck and flogged on the spot, and 6 months jail, no parole!

They and folk like them need flogging, for Christ's sake they are killing people?...not making them sick but killing???

Watch this space. Lots of claims and counter claims. They now saying they were only told they were positive AFTER they had arrived at the regional destination. We shouldn't be so quick to be the lynch mob. BTW, what happened to those removalists that came to Vic....gone very quiet?

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Wouldn't worry too much about car forum members, naturally a vocal bunch. A bit like telling NRL fans they should put aside state vs state.

Who's worried? ****ed is the correct terminology, and save the education on forum members mate, am well versed!

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Isnt that what were trying to do by way of lockdown?

That your first sentence is a consequence of doing the latter is just how it is.

I'm so ****ing sick of hearing people from NSW talking down to the rest of us.
Victoria has done it hard, when their 2nd wave began they didn't have experience to draw on but they soon learnt that this thing doesn't give you time to ponder, they learnt from it at the expense of hundreds of vulnerable citizens.
We in SA watched, learnt and whilst our snap lockdown late last year was a false alarm it was the right decision in the moment. That we got released once they had a better handle on it is the system at work.
Fast forward to more recent and Victoria hasnt hesitated to make the hard call and the results are obvious compared to wave 2.
Unfortunately the GSS have spent the past 18 months pointing the finger at those in the front lines, when it finally became their time to act they clearly exposed themselves as ignorant and having learnt nothing.

I'm in an interesting position in that I'm currently housing an ex NSW resident who hasn't experienced a lockdown.
When ours was announced yesterday my family knew exactly what to expect and what was required of them, the visitor had no idea.
I had a quick nap yesterday afternoon whilst my Wife took the opportunity to grab a few things from the shops before 6pm.
I woke to an empty house, our ex NSW visitor nowhere in sight, at 6pm i sent her a message to remind her that we are now in lockdown.
Her response, yeah I'm just visiting a friend..

It was then that I realised first hand that some people from certain parts of the country have no idea what it looks like to be in lockdown and think its some joke that isn't really that important.
So whilst those with prior experience understand the consequence and act accordingly despite the inconvenience, its quite obvious that others have NFI and just want to whinge as they have nothing else to draw on.

very well posted tweeked.
I concur, get the jab, I had AZ as well and IF I kept reading of all the negatives about it I'b be going loco.
Worse, my 2nd eldest @ 20yrs looks ahead hoping to see the light at the end of tunnel got himself an appointment somehow and got a AZ jab a week ago, I admire his initiative but I worry if he waited could have had pfizer the coming weeks :(
I don't know what to think.

Bent 8, I suppose there is always a % that spoils it for the majority, we've seen it all before eh.
Can I say, we mightn't have had lockdowns like Melb but after our 1st lockdown we haven't been living like it was all fine and dandy, those that I know as well - as some think, well those that comply.
Don't know what that girl your housing has gone through, but obviously doesn't care and maybe not having a clue what people have/are going through.
We haven't been out of our local area for yonks, being careful, no dinners out or anything, we don't want to risk a thing, whereas some well what can you say.
Our prob is being the main hub of entry to the country.
What I don't get is why o why haven't all companies associated with the airport been far far more pro active in being careful, employees, if you haven't had a jab, wear a mask your out of work till you do, sorry thats life it sucks BUT look what keeps happening.
That idiot who caused the Nth Beachs outbreak, went out before waiting for his test result, what a selfish F, screwed my families life again and all.
These Removalists, after all this time WHY haven't our authorities imposed far harsher penalities for all to see, how many more times.
If you have had a test, you can't go anywhere till you've recieved your result.
We have health worries amongst the family like Trevor has his in other ways.
Everyone has their concerns, large small and worse.

Thankfully we live the opposite side of the very effected LGA's, please keep away, follow the rules.

You can't tar all with the same brush.

T3, ofcourse you read it right.

NSW records 110 new cases of COVID-19 in the community
By Daniella White

NSW has recorded 110 new local COVID-19 cases off the back of 83,477 tests.

Of the new cases, 43 were infectious in the community. Seventeen cases were in isolation for part of their infectious period.
NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian at this morning’s press conference.


NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian said it was the highest testing numbers NSW has ever recorded.

“That is a high number [of new infections] but a number which reflects the high amount of testing that we had,” the Premier said.

“What is concerning, however, is that 43 people in that number of cases were infectious in the community.”

[T3rminator]

Thanks. Just checked. 43 confirmed, 17 partially, 13 under investigation. All up 73 potentially out at some point. How is that possible when there is strict restrictions, something doesn't add up.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by FTE217

Can I say, we mightn't have had lockdowns like Melb but after our 1st lockdown we haven't been living like it was all fine and dandy, those that I know as well - as some think, well those that comply.

The thing is though, had Glady's learnt from the Victorian 2nd wave there would be no mass lockdowns throughout the rest of the country and whilst those in NSW would be temporarily inconvenienced, the other side would have come much sooner as is evident from how its been handled previously in SA and Victoria post wave 2.

We're currently subject to a lockdown brought about by the 81yo who isolated in NSW until he had a fall, went to hospital and was released into the community, had the NSW Government requested that guy restart his 2 week isolation after being exposed in the Sydney area then we wouldn't be suffering now.
If the people of NSW want to complain about lost revenue and lockdowns then direct it to the idiots making decisions that haven't learnt the lessons of others.
If you want to be pioneers and learn from your own mistakes then the old saying you reap what you sew is apt, the rest of us will just keep doing what we know works to get up and running again asap.
If every life saved by lockdown costs someone in NSW their small business then bad luck, you can always start again, you only get 1 life, perhaps give it consideration next time you're at the polling booths.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by tweeked

Get her to stop reading on the net and do whatever her specialist says she should.

Exactly what I told her to do, but at 39 she is my daughter, but . . . . . . she is an independent adult

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Thanks. Just checked. 43 confirmed, 17 partially, 13 under investigation. All up 73 potentially out at some point. How is that possible when there is strict restrictions, something doesn't add up.

because the rules aren't strict enough - remember Victoria's strictest - that is what NSW should be doing instead of flip-flopping all over the place

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Isnt that what were trying to do by way of lockdown?

That your first sentence is a consequence of doing the latter is just how it is.

I'm so ****ing sick of hearing people from NSW talking down to the rest of us.
Victoria has done it hard, when their 2nd wave began they didn't have experience to draw on but they soon learnt that this thing doesn't give you time to ponder, they learnt from it at the expense of hundreds of vulnerable citizens.
We in SA watched, learnt and whilst our snap lockdown late last year was a false alarm it was the right decision in the moment. That we got released once they had a better handle on it is the system at work.
Fast forward to more recent and Victoria hasnt hesitated to make the hard call and the results are obvious compared to wave 2.
Unfortunately the GSS have spent the past 18 months pointing the finger at those in the front lines, when it finally became their time to act they clearly exposed themselves as ignorant and having learnt nothing.

I'm in an interesting position in that I'm currently housing an ex NSW resident who hasn't experienced a lockdown.
When ours was announced yesterday my family knew exactly what to expect and what was required of them, the visitor had no idea.
I had a quick nap yesterday afternoon whilst my Wife took the opportunity to grab a few things from the shops before 6pm.
I woke to an empty house, our ex NSW visitor nowhere in sight, at 6pm i sent her a message to remind her that we are now in lockdown.
Her response, yeah I'm just visiting a friend..

It was then that I realised first hand that some people from certain parts of the country have no idea what it looks like to be in lockdown and think its some joke that isn't really that important.
So whilst those with prior experience understand the consequence and act accordingly despite the inconvenience, its quite obvious that others have NFI and just want to whinge as they have nothing else to draw on.

thanks for your experience and you are absolutely spot on - they either don't get it, are tin-foil hat wearing anti-vaxxers or don't give a **** about anyone but themselves, the selfish arseholes

[Trevor 57]

Posted by Dan Andrews - Victorian Premier (sorry to the non-Facebook users)

Scroll down and look at the map of Victoria

https://www.facebook.com/DanielAndre...70956094396821

[FTE217]

Bent I agree, we've happily followed the rules of lockdown and restrictions, a % don't as we all see.
Yep T57 people WDGAF...they are everywhere, especially in those hot spot LGA's at present where this started.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

I don't want to debate this with you, I just hope nothing happens to someone you love. You have shown your true colours

Selfishness lives on - unreal

There is no debate, society makes rules for the majority and does its best to protect the minority.

You are well well off with your assumptions (again with all due respect, you are emotional because you are close to a high risk category, put yourself in a leaders shoes for a day) but to add fuel to the fire you can believe what you want.

Have I been in a lock down - no, not really..1 week then back as per "essential" worker
Have I had to self isolate for 14 days because I dared step into Victoria and not go near a hot spot - yes
Has my life been effected - yes (struggling to see a dying relo in Vic)

I can not speak for others and what they do is their business, the hate for NSW is more jealously and frustrating at the situation, NSW had the balls to try and live with it and continues to do so until we are all in lock down.

It seems to be coming my way, we are a bit north of Orange but at the moment there are no reported cases this way so why would we lock down?

Surely I dont need to bleat that people in hot spots should lock down and stay put, rather obviously, and you can have all the rules and laws in the world but some will just not listen, some even rebel...what are you going to do?...weld doors shut perhaps?

If 0.001% of people are allergic to bee's you dont go around eradicating or trying to pull their wings off bee's so they cant fly, the flow on effect to the rest of the ecosystem is vast..random analogy but I dont see the difference. That 0.001% needs some kind of protection or education about the risk.

I am sick of people in other states pretending like they know better and have a better plan. Hows the accrued business debt going at the moment...no one seems to note that. For every action there is a....etc etc

[slowsnake]

Haven't you lot worked it out yet??

Probably 95% of people don't give a damn, selfish, self centred and most of all a lack of common sense?..not IQ but basic common sense, it drives me nuts, uneducated folk with one thing on there minds, "what's in it for me" and why should I care?
If you can't see it then it's not a problem, like electricity really, we can't see it, we know it's there but it will kill you and your kids, bang, gone!

What a sad world, I'm sitting here in Perth, doors wide open, just walked in the park, no worries really, but I am very well aware that the rest of Australia is suffering, and I don't feel the slightest bit guilty that I'm ok and others are not, but I worry about them, I think about them, I feel so sorry for them, but, its really happening, the end of our world as we knew it, that's gone and as usual we adapt, we don't like it, and we can play the blame game all we like but it's happening and it's in our backyard!...

Let's see how the UK turns out, that's the litmus test!


Cheers Billy

[cheap]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

thanks for your experience and you are absolutely spot on - they either don't get it, are tin-foil hat wearing anti-vaxxers or don't give a **** about anyone but themselves, the selfish arseholes

Trevor 57, I've been following your indulgences in this tread for some time.

FWIW, my doctor recommended against me taking the vaccine, my daughter who is a professional medico isn't taking the vaccine either. You will find many medical professionals haven't taken the vaccine either.

I'll take my medical advice from my doctor, rather than ScoMo, Dan Andrews, and especially from you!

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by FTE217

Bent I agree, we've happily followed the rules of lockdown and restrictions, a % don't as we all see.

No doubt, but when its your supposed leaders that take a 'wait and see' approach resulting in the fallout we see, people should direct their anger at the problem.
The virus didnt roll out of bed with poor policy choices destroying the Australian economy, how the virus is handled is the real issue.

[T3rminator]

Good luck everyone.....

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-...dura/100310504

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Polyal

I can not speak for others and what they do is their business, the hate for NSW is more jealously and frustrating at the situation, NSW had the balls to try and live with it and continues to do so until we are all in lock down.

Lol, its actually not, it is in fact us collectively rolling our eyes at you knowing that you are a product of your time, too ignorant to learn from the mistakes of others yet surprised when you end up with the same result.

[PG2]

Guys, the thread is closed for an hour or two while everyone calms down.

No one is to blame or in trouble with their posting but I think it is best to give everyone a break from this.

Take the opportunity to go outside, go for a walk, talk to your partner - basically get away from the computer for a while.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

Let's see how the UK turns out, that's the litmus test!

I think the Netherlands showed us how that's going to work out

The government conceded that the “coronavirus infection rate in the Netherlands has increased much faster than expected since society reopened almost completely on 26 June.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/20/rule...ate-soars.html

[PG2]

PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING - If you choose to ignore you will only have yourself to blame.

OK everyone, I will re-open the thread.

As I have said before, if you are smashing keys on the keyboard you probably should take a deep breath and think twice before posting.

It is OK to have an opinion, in fact, everyone has one (including me) but it does not mean you are 100% right and everyone else is 100% wrong.




Everyone please play nice.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Polyal

I can not speak for others and what they do is their business, the hate for NSW is more jealously and frustrating at the situation, NSW had the balls to try and live with it and continues to do so until we are all in lock down.

Hate is a pretty strong word, but here are a couple of examples to explain why some of us are a little irked:

• "I fear for Victoria and I worry about what their government may do. I hope we have demonstrated to other states it is possible to manage an outbreak and not shut down a city"

• "Its much easier to lock down, because you don't have to worry about anything, its much more difficult to let people move around when the virus is circulating" (Here is the source of the cringe worthy interview - https://twitter.com/i/status/1416235951366410240).

  Same leader recently claimed locking down LGAs has been the most difficult decision she has had to make. Get outta here!

Now, how can one not get into a state vs state mindset with that kind of rhetoric coming from the top? They are inviting it.

I hope not everyone in NSW thinks like that, it really doesn't help the cause. Your leader has spent the best part of 12 months lecturing and smearing other states. 50% of the country's population has been plunged into lock down and businesses closed, twice in 4 weeks, because NSW had balls?! Sorry dude, you've been sold a lie. Sorry, just my view.

PS. I noticed Dandrews has thrown a couple of subtle jabs in the last couple of days. I don't agree with it. It needs to stop. Last time he made a dumbass remark regarding SA it bit us on the butt BIG TIME.

[XR Martin]

Ever since Chairman Dan has been back, every press conference he's laying the boot into NSW multiple times.
When Victoria was in lockdown last year I don't recall Bin Chicken doing anything like that? Hell NSW didn't even close the border most of the time. It's Victoria that keeps doing it.

[Mont5.0]

2 different strains. the latter being way more infectious.
The way things were handled in the past is insignificant.
The way we move forward is the key.
Blame game will get you no where.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

so you are OK if the people you care about die because of selfishness of others - cool

I have a wife, 2 daughters and a granddaughter all seriously immune suppressed, 1 daughter, the most ill, is seriously considering not getting the Pfizer vaccine because of the absolute bull-**** she is reading on the net, is that OK?

Well I think your daughter should consult her local GP or treating physician in regards to vaccination instead of reading all the misinformation on the net especially forums, seriously Trevor read post 11685 in this topic what I stated and stand by.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Mont5.0

2 different strains. the latter being way more infectious.
The way things were handled in the past is insignificant.
The way we move forward is the key.
Blame game will get you no where.

Well said and this is what catching everyone off guard this new Delta strain has done, a complete new ball game.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

Well said and this is what catching everyone off guard this new Delta strain has done, a complete new ball game.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest a new strain, that from all accounts spreads much easier than those linked to previous outbreaks that have resulted in hundreds of deaths, may very well require a faster, more comprehensive approach, not the opposite.

I'm looking forward to GSS wave3.0 that will eventually sweep through at which point Glady's will either slam the state into lockdown in a move that proves they got it wrong this time or she maintains her defiant stance and more people die.

[Mont5.0]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest a new strain, that from all accounts spreads much easier than those linked to previous outbreaks that have resulted in hundreds of deaths, may very well require a faster, more comprehensive approach, not the opposite.

I'm looking forward to GSS wave3.0 that will eventually sweep through at which point Glady's will either slam the state into lockdown in a move that proves they got it wrong this time or she maintains her defiant stance and more people die.

hang up the hate NSW boots champ. We ALL need to sort this.
Its in every state bar tassie and ACT?