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30-08-2018, 08:48 PM | #1261 | |||
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The dealer incentives are substantial. You can get quite a deal on them. Australia gets ripped off for sure, but we already knew that. Just searching ebay for new cars i see this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-F-150-...JaMM65&vxp=mtr And here is the raptor for 71k AUD fully delivered... Last edited by articulatedsphinx; 30-08-2018 at 09:13 PM. |
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30-08-2018, 09:17 PM | #1262 | ||
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To be fair, the cheapest bare bones XL 4x4 dual cab F150 has a MSRP of $37755US. Starting MSRP excludes destination/delivery charge, taxes, title and registration.
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30-08-2018, 10:11 PM | #1263 | ||
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Based on an exchange rate of PHP38 per 1AUD, the Wildtrak in Philippines (LHD) model is near AUD$43K driveaway. That’s near $20k less than in Oz. There’s no reason why a F series would cost as much as touted unless either Ford Oz or the government shafts the Australian consumer. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
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30-08-2018, 10:41 PM | #1264 | |||
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And they can’t use the excuse anymore that local costs of business are higher, as they haven’t got any, what with no factories etc. Pricing will be whatever the market will bear. 80k utes just like 1k iPhones. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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31-08-2018, 12:46 PM | #1265 | ||
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Drive.com.au's Birdsville to Bathurst road test....
https://www.drive.com.au/new-car-rev...st-119298.html And Video.... https://www.drive.com.au/video-cars/...nk=homeVideos1
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31-08-2018, 12:48 PM | #1266 | |||
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31-08-2018, 01:02 PM | #1267 | ||
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31-08-2018, 01:18 PM | #1268 | |||
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They claim 14.1l average for the entire journey but the final 500km is all top gear highway cruising which would have brought the figures down considerably from what it would have shown rolling in to Cobar. Driver ratings are interesting too, whilst it achieves an 8.5 out of 10 it gets 10/10 for connectivity and comfort at the expense of performance and safety, remove connectivity which is largely irrelevant in the desert and consider comfort as being down to the individuals outcome and its closer to a 7-7.5 out of 10 with safety its weakest link, not exactly confidence inspiring for a vehicle intended for blasting through the desert at break neck speeds. |
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31-08-2018, 01:27 PM | #1269 | ||
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Ram has taken aim at the new Ford Ranger Raptor during the launch of its new V8 ute.
Presenting the 5.7-litre Hemi V8-powered Ram 1500 to the media, Ram Trucks Australia spokesman Edward Rowe said the brand hopes to woo buyers away from high-end versions of popular dual-cab utes. “We are the only people in this market sector offering a V8, in a market sector which used to be heavily populated with V8s, in a market segment now populated by small diesels,” he says. “The way it goes, the way it sounds and just the whole driving experience … a V8 Hemi engine offers a somewhat more better driving experience than a 2.0-litre diesel.” https://m.drive.com.au/motor-news/ra...or-119329.html
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31-08-2018, 01:37 PM | #1270 | ||
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31-08-2018, 01:40 PM | #1271 | ||
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31-08-2018, 01:41 PM | #1272 | |||
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You mean the AEB? I’m trying to figure out what you mean by safety being its weakest link? I don’t think AEB (even if it had it) would even be active in Baja or off-road mode. Other than that the safety is the same as the regular ranger. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Last edited by articulatedsphinx; 31-08-2018 at 01:49 PM. |
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31-08-2018, 02:04 PM | #1273 | |||
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It doesnt say what that is based on. Oh and i meant to say 9/10 for connectivity and comfort, not 10/10 which relates to handling which it obviously does achieve. Last edited by BENT_8; 31-08-2018 at 02:10 PM. |
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31-08-2018, 06:38 PM | #1276 | |||
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31-08-2018, 06:57 PM | #1277 | |||
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31-08-2018, 08:43 PM | #1279 | |||
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01-09-2018, 08:47 AM | #1281 | |||
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Theres not much point in claiming 8l/100km for a vehicle designed to be driven spiritedly off road if under those conditions it returns double if not more than that. It would be like claiming a V8 Supercar would have fantastic milage if only driven to the shops for bread and milk. That doesnt mean its not a great vehicle or that its a reason someone should refrain from buying it, however, if youre considering heading outback and using it for its intended purpose, considering its consumption would be an important factor when planning a trip into isolated country if youre only getting 400ish km from a tank. As for the rating given to it, things like connectivity are hardly worthy of consideration for a vehicle of its intended purpose and have clearly inflated its overall score. Comfort is subjective The standout in that score is the safety aspect which as i said would be concerning given its intended purpose and as Boss said, running updates will be made to increase its standings in that department, the question left to be asked is, if those running upgrades are in the pipeline and therefore obviously a reality, why didnt they delay its release and get it right, as the way i see it, unless you just want to be the first to say you have one, you'd be better off waiting for the upgrade and getting a better specced one. Come resale time a Raptor with AEB will be worth more than an early one without it. Lets be honest here, the majority of these Raptors will spend alot of time in suburbia and so AEB whilst not necessarliy an issue in the middle of the Simpson, will be, as on most other urban tractors, an important part of the total safety package or it wouldnt be an emerging mainstream feature or an intended feature for this vehicle moving forward. Its a great vehicle, but as with many Ford products theres usually a trade off somewhere unfortunately. Im actually surprised they're not all black... |
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01-09-2018, 09:28 AM | #1282 | |||
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They should have eliminated this from the consumption figures. I'm sure a petrol version of this vehicle, driven the same way would well over 20L/100km. |
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01-09-2018, 09:54 AM | #1283 | ||
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But thats the point, they were testing it under the conditions it was designed for, its designed to be fanged around in the dust and the 2.0l obviously needs to be pushed to achieve it.
Where they fudged the figures was giving it a 500km cool down run at highway speeds in 10th gear to bring the final figures way down on where it would have been. Ford have created a vehicle capable of copping some serious punishment in the outback and then quoted fuel consumption figures for an urban tractor then when tested in real world conditions they didnt give a figure after it was put through its paces, they waited 500kms to make it more respectable. They did draw on nostalgia to make it all sound legit though. Last edited by BENT_8; 01-09-2018 at 10:01 AM. |
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01-09-2018, 10:12 AM | #1284 | |||
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01-09-2018, 10:24 AM | #1285 | ||
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I think finding things to complain about are just in some people's nature. First it was the engine, and now that it's not utter ****, it's AEB. When it has AEB there will be some other supposed deal breaker. So waxing poetic about the lack of AEB is quite funny when none of the other utes except the x-class have it.
Let me summarise for you below, we've already discussed the engines, and the only bigger/more powerful ones are the V6 Amarok and soon to be released 85k X-class neither of which can do offroad like the raptor: Utes with AEB available in Australia (as of August 2018): Mercedes-Benz X-Class – Standard across range Ford Ranger – Not available Toyota HiLux – Not available Nissan Navara – Not available Mitsubishi Triton – Not available Holden Colorado – Not available Isuzu D-MAX – Not available Mazda BT-50 – Not available Volkswagen Amarok – Not available LDV T60 – Not available Great Wall Steed – Not available And now about the fuel economy: Here is the Ford official description "Fuel consumption and emissions as per ADR 81/02 (combined cycle) and to be used for vehicle comparison purposes only. It is unlikely that these fuel consumption and emissions figures will be achieved in real world driving conditions. Actual fuel consumption and emissions will depend on many factors including the driver’s habits, prevailing conditions and the vehicle’s equipment, condition and use" You HAVE to test according to ADR 81/02 rules and that's the figure you publish. So chill out. It's not like they are making something up and lying. Please tell me you don't believe the Hilux claims at face value either. They are all testing on the same standard. Here's a good link if you're curious. https://www.caradvice.com.au/385014/...he-fuel-label/ I agree with you there are features and things to improve on. But complaining about the fuel economy, when it's measured that way for a reason, and the safety features which don't exist on literally any other Ute is kind of a stretch. Last edited by articulatedsphinx; 01-09-2018 at 10:30 AM. |
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01-09-2018, 10:39 AM | #1286 | ||
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Fuel consumption figures are achieved using a set procedure. (ADR 81/02). This way the results can be compared across a range of cars as they are all tested using the same procedure. They are mainly for comparitive purposes only.
Edit- just realised articulatedsphinx covered fuel consumption in his post above.
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01-09-2018, 11:02 AM | #1287 | ||||
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I guess my point wasnt so much aimed at Fords official figures but more at the reviews results because they could have given a more accurate result had they stopped the test in Cobar when they ceased driving it in a manner that it is intended for. If they wanted to test a 2.0l on the highway then any Wildtrack with that option would do, but they didnt, they took a Raptor out into the desert, put it through its paces and then gave it 500km of sedate driving, sedate compared to the first 1600km anyway, in which to bring the figures down and from my perspective that makes a mockery of those findings, im not sure why they bothered to even mention consumption figures if they were going to compromise it in this way. Does any of that mean its not a great vehicle, hell no. Anyway, thats just a couple of points which i noted from the video, if youre suggesting that the final 500km wouldnt have reduced the consumption figures im happy for you to show me that. |
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01-09-2018, 11:23 AM | #1288 | ||
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To be fair, not many people have 'off road' just outside their front gate, so there will always be a portion of 'normal' driving, regardless of how much off road you do.
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01-09-2018, 11:45 AM | #1289 | |||
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The run from Cobar to Bathurst adds nothing to the review other than distort the final consumption figures. We know what a Ranger with 2.0l/10A is capable of on the black top. |
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01-09-2018, 11:53 AM | #1290 | ||
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I know fuel consumption is important to some. Does it sound too snooty to say I don't particularly care? even 14L/100 wouldn't phase me. My big thing is making sure the fuel tank is big enough. I just don't want to be stuck somewhere while outback.
I've ordered myself one of these bad boys (200L rapid genius tank), for when I do CSR. I hate jerry cans. The portable tank is actually quite compact, looks way bigger in the picture. Since diesel weighs 0.8kg/L + the tank (36kg) will weigh about 196kg give or take. |
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