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N/A all the way
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On Pfizer and Moderna, do you have a source for this? I cannot find anything other than the EU taking AZ to court for not supplying within time.
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Difference being I can't catch "fat" off an obese person, thus I can't pass it on to a loved one or die from it.
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I drank what?
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It will be interesting to see what health insurance providers are going to do. Will they insure a non vaccinated person? Probably, but I'm sure it will be at an insanely inflated price.
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how long did it take your ancestors to assimilate?
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Is this what people have been banging on about?
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I got to play devils advocate.
Isn't your health file confidential? I do not have the right to inspect any element of anyone's health file to see what conditions or medications they might be taking. For example would I have the right to ask someone if they were HIV? How is a vaccination not under the medical file and the laws that keep your medical information private.
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As for jabs, its not new...no jab no play legislation. https://www2.health.vic.gov.au/publi...sked-questions
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It’s possibly easier for private entities offering a discretionary product or service, to discriminate.
P.S. Imagine if a vaccine lottery included prizes of a complete, registrable Ph3 reproduction, and similar other Aussie classics? Last edited by Citroënbender; 02-08-2021 at 07:36 PM. |
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Doubled up, apologies.
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What about in months or years time you suffer from side effects, who are go go to blame?
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Aditya Goenka, University of Birmingham January 28, 2021 6.37pm GMT Hopes that rolling out vaccines would control the the pandemic have been dealt a blow by an emerging dispute between the EU and AstraZeneca. The manufacturer has said that because of production problems in Belgium, it will not be able to supply as many vaccines as expected to the EU, but that its supply to UK will be unaffected. In response, the EU has said it should be given a share of AstraZeneca doses manufactured in Britain, and politicians have suggested it could control exports of other vaccines – such as Pfizer’s – out of the bloc. This is despite the European Medicines Agency not yet having authorised the AstraZeneca vaccine, although approval is expected soon. But the EU still faces questions over its slow vaccine rollout. It was clear from the outset that it would take a very long time to make enough vaccines to meet demand. In this context, the EU, UK, USA and Canada ordered enough doses to vaccinate their populations several times over. These orders were placed as a way of hedging bets, as it wasn’t clear which vaccines would be successful. But on January 22 2021, AstraZeneca revealed that the order placed by the EU would come up short. In the first quarter of 2021, AstraZeneca said it would deliver 31 million vaccine doses to the bloc, rather than 80 million as stated previously. The EU president and health commissioner immediately pushed back against the decision. On January 26, AstraZeneca CEO Pascal Soriot gave an interview to the Italian newspaper La Repubblica, explaining the situation in more detail. There are two stages to vaccine production, he said: the production of the drug substance (the vaccine itself) and production of the final product (putting the vaccine in vials for use). These steps are carried out in different locations in different countries. Mr Soriot said that there have been teething problems with the first step, as the yield of the vaccine-production process is often not high enough. This has been resolved in UK plants, as they started production earlier due to the UK signing its supply agreement with AstraZeneca three months before the EU. But these issues are yet to be resolved at the Belgian plant supplying Europe. The EU doesn’t believe its citizens should be kept waiting for vaccines when UK supplies haven’t been cut. MikeDotta/Shutterstock However, AstraZeneca feels that issues with the production of the drug substance will be resolved. From February, it estimates global production will increase to 100 million doses a month, with EU facilities accounting for 17% of this supply. But in the meantime, it is continuing to scale up production in the UK to 2 million doses a week, with Britain’s schedule not expected to be affected by problems elsewhere. Despite meetings with AstraZeneca to understand the delayed deliveries, EU officials are not satisfied with this. Health Commissioner Stella Kyriakides has said: “We reject the logic of first come, first served. That may work at the neighbourhood butcher’s, but not in contracts and not in our advanced purchase agreements.” The EU has implied that the shortfall in vaccine availability is due to AstraZeneca selling vaccines to other countries, and that it should make good the shortfall by restricting supply to UK. But what exactly was agreed? The EU hasn’t disclosed exactly what its advanced purchase agreement with AstraZeneca is. The agreement secures a number of doses, and individual member states can order these once the vaccine’s use has been authorised. In AstraZeneca’s view, it agreed to supply vaccines according to its “best effort”, rather than committing to delivering a certain number of doses by a certain date. It expects to meet its future quarterly targets for the EU, should the European Medicines Agency authorise the vaccine. Some, such as Germany’s health minister Jens Spahn, have said that in the meantime the EU should stop exporting other vaccines made on the continent, such as the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine. For now the EU is only upping requirements as far as making manufacturers declare their exports. But export bans may follow. It may seem strange that the EU is getting worried about a vaccine that it hasn’t yet approved, especially as there are concerns in Europe about its efficacy. But there are factors at play in the background. The US is not exporting vaccine doses manufactured domestically, as Donald Trump signed an executive order to restrict the use of US-produced vaccines to the US alone. The current push for vaccination under President Joe Biden suggests that the US will not be backtracking on exporting vaccine doses any time soon. Pfizer has also reduced supply of its vaccine in Europe as it looks to upscale its production capacity. Meanwhile, vaccine development by the Louis Pasteur Institute and Merck in France has been abandoned, while the French medical giant Sanofi is also struggling with its programme. The EU is seeing multiple hedged bets failing. Tensions have boiled over in the Netherlands, with protests against coronavirus restrictions taking place across the country. EPA-EFE The EU is lagging behind the US and UK in vaccinating its population. Part of this is due to its slowness in ordering and approving vaccines, but to some extent it’s also down to potential over-reliance on the AstraZeneca vaccine. With civil unrest in Netherlands against lockdown, there’s growing pressure to increase the rate of vaccination in order to lift such restrictions. There’s also an edge to this controversy because the UK’s delivery of AstraZeneca vaccines is unaffected. In the aftermath of Brexit, it’s easier for the EU to pick on the supply chain that’s working for UK rather than targeting, say, the one that’s working for the US. There are already export bans on medicines from the UK to EU and a trade war may be brewing. But the question of who should get the vaccine, the UK or the EU, is really a controversy that should be avoided. Vaccine nationalism that one feared would happen is clearly here, and if left unchecked, is going to create new stress points that will hinder the coordinated pandemic response. Cheers B ![]() Last edited by slowsnake; 02-08-2021 at 08:21 PM. Reason: Remove a bit |
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Yes and I see what you are saying.
Points taken.
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Finally the ABC has entertained a voice that doesn’t mesh with its short-term narrative or the typical current line from various governments here.
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Even optimistic modelling of current NSW infection rates vs time suggests the lockdown for metropolitan Sydney will extend appreciably beyond August if <5 cases/day is a threshold value. It does look like Wollongong is close to deserving excision from the Sydney constraints. Last edited by Citroënbender; 03-08-2021 at 05:18 AM. |
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You should be more worried about the long term side effects of catching covid, which there is plenty of proof already.
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N/A all the way
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Which one is more likely? Bet you an organic apple it is this one.
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Where to next??
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Much the same as if I die from a heart attack I can't blame KFC or McDonald's. Much the same as if I die from lung cancer I can't blame the cigarette companies. Life is a gamble. You win some, you lose some. Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk
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With that logic how is a non vaxxed person a problem for a vaxxed up persons vaxxed up relatives and family?
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N/A all the way
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I am all for personal choice. As long as the Government is strong enough to say if we only get to 60%, but the remainder do not want to get vaxxed, we open up. No whinging then from the unvaxxed. No protections. The unvaxxed will all get their wish to run their own bodies defences against covid, It will be a fair fight! I worry for those who have compromised immune systems, but it looks like vaccination will not stop much of the transmission, so it becomes a bit of a moot point. Not sure if the risk factors of vaccination for these people needs to be revisited by the medical community.
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Agree that the unvaxxed can defend themselves when we open up. Maybe even remove CV treatment from medicare for those who can be vaxxed but are unvaxxed, why should I pay? It also won't be surprising if the disease gets listed as a pre existing condition in health insurance covers going forward.
There is a big but though...if we don't get a high enough rate of vaccination in the community (country, world), there will still be enough of the virus circulating for it to mutate, and we go round and round in circles chasing our tails. The more contagious a virus is, the higher the vax rate needs to be. GAVI, the vaccine alliance, seems to think 60% vaccination against CV across the community will get us close to herd immunity. Thats based on the R0 of current strains. Vaccination is a race against time. Note, it is possible to completely eliminate a virus through herd immunity, as we saw with smallpox https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/what-herd-immunity Herd immunity explained in pictures... https://www.gavi.org/sites/default/f...d-immunity.pdf
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