Covid 19 -

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

What about in months or years time you suffer from side effects, who are go go to blame?

It won't matter who you bame, they will not accept it.

Not just vaccine but other meds, Thalidomide comes to mind.

Atomic bomb testing in South Australia in the 50's, the side effects go on for multiple generations.

Agent Orange used in Vietnam, you could fill a book with dodgy untested and dangerous meds!

If scientists do not produce then the funding stops, be it public or private.

I once upon a time believed everyone was as honest and ethical as me, but I was wrong, that mighty dollar sign is a very convincing argument to a struggling start up med company, folk like me work for our money, mostly PAYE, but there is a parallel world that only the scammers and schemers inhabit, always looking for easy money, worst part is, they think it's OK, that's morally and ethically of course.
And these are only words in a dictionary to them, not an obligation to self!


Cheers Mr B

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Im sure like other we get heat temped every day, if you are over you have 10mins or so to have another go, if still over then on your way.

Twice a day, am & pm.

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT August 2nd 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

229 new cases for Australia and 1 death so the CMR is 2.673%.

4 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 0.904%.

The UK had a lower 21,687 cases yesterday and lower 24 deaths for a CMR of 2.198%.

A higher 91,082 new cases in the USA yesterday and higher 330 deaths sees CMR at 1.787%.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 199M, the last 1M in 2 days;

Mauritius (480);
Botswana (8,530) - although they only report weekly; and
Iran (37,189)
... recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

No countries move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period and Malta drops below.

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by tweeked

They are not, except if all of the vaxxed people cannot return to normality because we need to get to 70%

I am all for personal choice. As long as the Government is strong enough to say if we only get to 60%, but the remainder do not want to get vaxxed, we open up.

No whinging then from the unvaxxed. No protections. The unvaxxed will all get their wish to run their own bodies defences against covid, It will be a fair fight!

I worry for those who have compromised immune systems, but it looks like vaccination will not stop much of the transmission, so it becomes a bit of a moot point. Not sure if the risk factors of vaccination for these people needs to be revisited by the medical community.

Mmmm, all for personal choice but with a % point,
I am not vaxxed, that's what personal choice is, no % involved, just my opinion of what I want to do with my body.

And ii have a very compromised immune system and I choose Pfizer!.why, because I believe it has a better efficacy rate than other vaccines, but they say i am too old, big deal, and how dare they play with my health based on age?

We all have personal choice living in a democracy, and forcing older folk to take a vaccine with a higher "kill" rate than more expensive better vaccines is just balancing the books, it's sad not complex, look after all Australians equally!


Cheers Mr B

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

Mmmm, all for personal choice but with a % point,

I am not vaxxed, that's what personal choice is, no % involved, just my opinion of what I want to do with my body.



And ii have a very compromised immune system and I choose Pfizer!.why, because I believe it has a better efficacy rate than other vaccines, but they say i am too old, big deal, and how dare they play with my health based on age?



We all have personal choice living in a democracy, and forcing older folk to take a vaccine with a higher "kill" rate than more expensive better vaccines is just balancing the books, it's sad not complex, look after all Australians equally!





Cheers Mr B

Fair point Billy. Hard to begrudge those who want to get vaccinated with a vaccine that is available, but not made accessible.

Is it possible to get an exemption through gp to have the Pfizer?

On a seperate note, I heard a gp got the sack or fined after giving their family doses that were due to expire. Seems harsh. I think the doses were meant for aged care, and the uptake was under the allocation, so the gp gave it to their family before they were to be thrown out.

[FTE217]

slowsnakes post doesn't add up from what I know whats occuring over here re aged persons and vaccine.
One aged relo couple having had consultation with their GP considering their health issues got the go ahead for a Pfizer shot.
Many have done similar here.
Another relo couple in their 70's are getting Pfizer from their pharmacist once in stock soon.

I'd be following up more IF I was that driven and convinced only X will satisfy me.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

Name a vaccine that has had mass long term side effects? There's been millions of doses given out for covid and still nothing.

You should be more worried about the long term side effects of catching covid, which there is plenty of proof already.

Pfizer has a long history of making dodgy medications.

The company has also faced thousands of lawsuits for medical injuries caused by their medications including drugs such as Bextra, Celebrex, Chantix, Effexor, Zoloft, Prempro, Depo-testosterone, and Lipitor. Many of these lawsuits have been resolved or settled, however some remain in court systems.


Heart scans of people vaxxed with the pfizer jab are showing heart enlargement. But that's being kept pretty hush/hush. Media won't report on it of course. Blood clots from the AZ are supposedly a normal occurrence, everyone gets tiny clotting from it, but only rarely does it clot enough to cause sickness or death. What are the long term effects of the micro-clotting on your heart? No one knows at this point.



https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ocarditis.html



And that is the whole point. It hasn't been around long enough to be able to see the medium to long term effects from it.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

For anyone interested in the Doherty Institute's Covid-19 modelling provided to the Government last week, a copy is available here.

Courtesy of the ABC.

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Pfizer has a long history of making dodgy medications.

The company has also faced thousands of lawsuits for medical injuries caused by their medications including drugs such as Bextra, Celebrex, Chantix, Effexor, Zoloft, Prempro, Depo-testosterone, and Lipitor. Many of these lawsuits have been resolved or settled, however some remain in court systems.

Heart scans of people vaxxed with the pfizer jab are showing heart enlargement. But that's being kept pretty hush/hush. Media won't report on it of course. Blood clots from the AZ are supposedly a normal occurrence, everyone gets tiny clotting from it, but only rarely does it clot enough to cause sickness or death. What are the long term effects of the micro-clotting on your heart? No one knows at this point.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ocarditis.html

And that is the whole point. It hasn't been around long enough to be able to see the medium to long term effects from it.

The technology isn't new. It's been around for many years.

MYTH: Researchers rushed the development of the COVID-19 vaccine, so its effectiveness and safety cannot be trusted.
FACT: Studies found that the two initial vaccines are both about 95% effective — and reported no serious or life-threatening side effects. There are many reasons why the COVID-19 vaccines could be developed so quickly. Here are just a few:

• The COVID-19 vaccines from Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna were created with a method that has been in development for years, so the companies could start the vaccine development process early in the pandemic.
• China isolated and shared genetic information about COVID-19 promptly, so scientists could start working on vaccines.
• The vaccine developers didn’t skip any testing steps, but conducted some of the steps on an overlapping schedule to gather data faster.
• Vaccine projects had plenty of resources, as governments invested in research and/or paid for vaccines in advance.
• Some types of COVID-19 vaccines were created using messenger RNA (mRNA), which allows a faster approach than the traditional way that vaccines are made.
• Social media helped companies find and engage study volunteers, and many were willing to help with COVID-19 vaccine research.
• Because COVID-19 is so contagious and widespread, it did not take long to see if the vaccine worked for the study volunteers who were vaccinated.
• Companies began making vaccines early in the process — even before FDA authorization — so some supplies were ready when authorization occurred.

MYTH: The messenger RNA technology used to make the COVID-19 vaccine is brand new.
FACT: The mRNA technology behind the new coronavirus vaccines has been in development for almost two decades. Vaccine makers created the technology to help them respond quickly to a new pandemic illness, such as COVID-19.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...th-versus-fact

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by FTE217

slowsnakes post doesn't add up from what I know whats occuring over here re aged persons and vaccine.
One aged relo couple having had consultation with their GP considering their health issues got the go ahead for a Pfizer shot.
Many have done similar here.
Another relo couple in their 70's are getting Pfizer from their pharmacist once in stock soon.

I'd be following up more IF I was that driven and convinced only X will satisfy me.

See my Thoracic surgeon and cancer specialist tomorrow, my intention is to ask why I can't get Pfizer vaccine, my GP can't get it, I have enquired at my local hospital too, was there last week, again no!

I start my chemo at my local hospital on 12th August so will be talking to them, am not sure why they can't do it, even offered to pay for it, still no, I'm 68 years old and from what I gather I'm finished and they know that, I was given blood thinners in hospital every 4 hours after my lung removal so why not give me AZ then?....and I did ask?
They know I am susceptible to blood clots so surely they are aware that Pfizer is less likely to clot my blood!....


Cheers Mr B

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

See my Thoracic surgeon and cancer specialist tomorrow, my intention is to ask why I can't get Pfizer vaccine, my GP can't get it, I have enquired at my local hospital too, was there last week, again no!

I start my chemo at my local hospital on 12th August so will be talking to them, am not sure why they can't do it, even offered to pay for it, still no, I'm 68 years old and from what I gather I'm finished and they know that, I was given blood thinners in hospital every 4 hours after my lung removal so why not give me AZ then?....and I did ask?
They know I am susceptible to blood clots so surely they are aware that Pfizer is less likely to clot my blood!....


Cheers Mr B

Ah cool mate, I understand bit more now not that I'm an expert mind you.
Sorry about your outcome re the lung wish you the best.

My brother has been suffering from Pulmonary Edema @ 58yrs.
Diagnosed pre covid Dec 19, fluid in the lungs (he's fit as a mallee bull non smoker hardly a drink and fitness freak) hospitilised for weeks and has had fluid drained countless times and huge concerns re clotting.
In the meantime he was also on blood thinners, after much going back and forth with specialists last few months the only way he was going to get the jab was being weened off the blood thinners FYI.......
and Pfizer was the only one recommended.
He had his jab just last week.
Follow up about the thinners mate, I'd say thats the big question.
Good luck !

[Citroënbender]

My neighbour (‘90s) got Pfizered at one of the drop-in clinics set up for First Nations and rough sleepers in the Woolloomooloo area, she has connections by family to Pitjantjatjara but is of bog-Irish stock herself. Noone had a problem with her being there. Might be something similar going on in Perth?

[cheap]

This is disturbing (watch with caution), but surely the Qld cops have got some common sense and respect for people?

https://twitter.com/resist_03/status...930830851?s=10

[DoubleTrouble]

Originally Posted by FTE217

slowsnakes post doesn't add up from what I know whats occuring over here re aged persons and vaccine.
One aged relo couple having had consultation with their GP considering their health issues got the go ahead for a Pfizer shot.
Many have done similar here.
Another relo couple in their 70's are getting Pfizer from their pharmacist once in stock soon.

I'd be following up more IF I was that driven and convinced only X will satisfy me.

If you are over 60 then no Pfizer for you, I know plenty of people being refused because of their age.

[galaxy xr8]

I find it somewhat chronicle that people are so concerned and see the Covid vaccines as a conspiracy and make their thoughts on it so vocal but yet can easily pick any food related item from either a local supermarket or even take away outlet to which they probably do either daily or weekly and have done so for years on end !!!! without gaining an understanding of what they are actually consuming in said food ??.

You only have to look at modified oil's such as the so called canola oil, anyway we all have our beliefs on how the modern day food/manufacturing process is or isn't causing issues such as obesity/cancer/heart and kidney/etc etc.. but these issues have been going on for years and no one has ever blinked an eye or been concerned with what they put in their own mouths. But want to protest to the ninth degree about a so called vaccine now ?.

What a crazy world we live in.

[HIPO]

Originally Posted by cheap

This is disturbing (watch with caution), but surely the Qld cops have got some common sense and respect for people?

https://twitter.com/resist_03/status...930830851?s=10

How brain dead are that pair!

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by DoubleTrouble

If you are over 60 then no Pfizer for you, I know plenty of people being refused because of their age.

Total Rubbish!...........I know of plenty of people OVER 60 that due to medical reasons have received Pfizer, my mother for one, your GP says Pfizer only then Pfizer it is!

[CyberWasp]

Novavax is the Vaccine to wait for. It is not far away now.
I will be 1st in line when it is available.

[DoubleTrouble]

Originally Posted by DJR-351

Total Rubbish!...........I know of plenty of people OVER 60 that due to medical reasons have received Pfizer, my mother for one, your GP says Pfizer only then Pfizer it is!

Oh there is exemptions for medical reasons but for others most will be refused.

[Mont5.0]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Pfizer has a long history of making dodgy medications.

The company has also faced thousands of lawsuits for medical injuries caused by their medications including drugs such as Bextra, Celebrex, Chantix, Effexor, Zoloft, Prempro, Depo-testosterone, and Lipitor. Many of these lawsuits have been resolved or settled, however some remain in court systems.


Heart scans of people vaxxed with the pfizer jab are showing heart enlargement. But that's being kept pretty hush/hush. Media won't report on it of course. Blood clots from the AZ are supposedly a normal occurrence, everyone gets tiny clotting from it, but only rarely does it clot enough to cause sickness or death. What are the long term effects of the micro-clotting on your heart? No one knows at this point.



https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ocarditis.html



And that is the whole point. It hasn't been around long enough to be able to see the medium to long term effects from it.

so which will you be having?

[Pis-ton broke]

Originally Posted by HIPO

How brain dead are that pair!

wow, two first class **** holes.

[slowsnake]

A 69 year old RN was just recently sacked for asking her children to come to her work place, why, because she had 3 opened vials of Pfizer vaccine, I assume there is more than one dose per vial, at the end of her shift she is told any leftovers are to be "decanted" into a syringe and sprayed into a bin, for disposal?

So she in all her kindness decided it was silly to waste, she asked her kids to rush over and she would vaccinate them!
Well to me waste not want not, she should be "lauded from the Capitol" for freeing up 3 vaccines for others, they bloody sacked her!

She was on TV last night, her earrings were 2 vaccine bottles, how cool!


Cheers Billy

[Citroënbender]

The gay nomads just escaped to Europe, they are still in shock at having freedom of movement (vaccination documents lodged/accepted). As one of them put it, people are being treated like responsible adults.

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by DJR-351

Total Rubbish!...........I know of plenty of people OVER 60 that due to medical reasons have received Pfizer, my mother for one, your GP says Pfizer only then Pfizer it is!

WA is different to other States and Territories, the medical system here is a bloody disgrace, my GP is a brilliant general practitioner and he straight up said he cant!
He knows how bloody crook I am too, but he said when you go to the local hospital ask, beg, plead and they will say no, well they said NO.....

Not sure why one or two doses of vaccine can't be put aside at each GP's rooms for use at their discretion?
Who is it going to hurt, really, who is it going to hurt


Cheers Billy.

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

WA is different to other States and Territories, the medical system here is a bloody disgrace, my GP is a brilliant general practitioner and he straight up said he cant!
He knows how bloody crook I am too, but he said when you go to the local hospital ask, beg, plead and they will say no, well they said NO.....

Not sure why one or two doses of vaccine can't be put aside at each GP's rooms for use at their discretion?
Who is it going to hurt, really, who is it going to hurt


Cheers Billy.

My mother's 81 and lives in Hillarys WA, I'm from WA.....

[Pis-ton broke]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

A 69 year old RN was just recently sacked for asking her children to come to her work place, why, because she had 3 opened vials of Pfizer vaccine, I assume there is more than one dose per vial, at the end of her shift she is told any leftovers are to be "decanted" into a syringe and sprayed into a bin, for disposal?

So she in all her kindness decided it was silly to waste, she asked her kids to rush over and she would vaccinate them!
Well to me waste not want not, she should be "lauded from the Capitol" for freeing up 3 vaccines for others, they bloody sacked her!

She was on TV last night, her earrings were 2 vaccine bottles, how cool!


Cheers Billy

i saw that too. a despicable act of stacking her. so there to throw away the the remainder of the vial, what shameful waste imo.

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by DJR-351

My mother's 81 and lives in Hillarys WA, I'm from WA.....

My family also, all going OK, except mum who died 2015 aged 92, all treated fairly well, but they were hardly unwell, I have had continual issues and have travelled 3 times to Sydney for spinal surgery, could and should of been operated on here?

In the Wa hospital charter, it states at number 13, that if you make a complaint it will not go on your record or be used against you

That's a lie, a blatant lie, it is on record and it is used against you, I complained to the HCC or health consumer council, a toothless tiger financed by the system.
After 3 years nothing happened, so I took the neurosurgeon Mr George Wong from SCGH and he was head honcho, took him to AHPRA, took 4 years, I got a 70 page report that had my name etc on front page, the writers name on back page, and 68 pages of "black" nothing just black!

Now I travelled 24,000 klm's by plane, 6 weeks accommodation x 2 plus hire car x 2, and still don't know why?
This was 2009 to 2011
My lung cancer has been sitting there as a 2mm nodule for 15 years, it took off in November 2017, just started to grow, it was removed with my lung 4 weeks ago, I was classified as an outpatient and my surgery as ELECTIVE,

That's a stage 1a malignant adenacarcinoma, got biopsy result back after 24 days, normal time 6 days, I went in staged 1a and come out 2b, its an absolute disgrace, should of been done 18 months ago, now spread to lymph nodes

Like I said only in WA, would of been done in NSW as category 1, only in WA could malignant cancer be called elective surgery, and its written on paper, actually printed


Cheers Angry Billy

[FTE217]

This is another issue brought to hand re covid.
One State goes one way the other opposite re distribution of vaccine and to who depending the circumstances, more so how far does your GP go for you as we've seen the recent posting.

Me for example (young just over 60) prior to taking the plunge getting the jab discussed with my GP will I won't and can I have Pfizer.
I have a minor medical condition that he quoted, in your case I could arrange you having it now (my age grp was under the essential workers and 70 or 80yr olds at time), this was months ago before my age group was opened AND he could have put me on Pfizer.
I thought to sit back at that stage just to see how people were reacting, my parents thankfully still with me had theirs AZ actually and had NO issues.
So by early June I went ahead and actually had AZ for I'm not overly fussed TBH for overall I'm pretty fit for my age and hardly recall even when I get a cold/flu.
I had NO after effects but for the usual light soreness in my shoulder from a needle punching through my skin.

Then I hear other people got arranged having Pfizer and under aged, then the following storey I mentioned re my Bro.
I have heard many times here in Sydney people I know got Pfizer, I suppose they have a willing GP.
So it baffles me re the WA mention of their Health system yet DJR-351 de bunked that.
Yes Doubletrouble there is excemptions But seem to be a hell of alot of them.
I just think it depends who your dealing with, some here have called GP after GP.

Another eg re demand and supply, my eldest son and fiance the week before last (both just under 30) went to book, my son GP up the road said can't get in for weeks, fiance calls her GP 10mins down the road, no prob can book you in from tomorrow, oh can my fiance come as well, yes no prob, son obviously got drilled in more about his health history making sure as they have to, jabs done.

Its all over the shop - this is what is so frustrating for all.

Re the vaccine viles, I think I read or heard somewhere a vile has up to 7jabs ? I can't recall.
Maybe you guys are quoting the same storey ?
We had a Sydney nurse get strung up and sacked for she posted on SM or something similar left overs of Pzifer was binned if not used.
So let the cat out of bag, and as a good person would prior had called up family members for the jab not to waste it.
Good on her but typical medical procedure and protocals the company sacked her, private crowd.
It got on talkback 2wks ago, they are grilling it and supporting her, great stuff.
Holding the company responsible and lookign to get her re instated.

Crazy times.

Watching on the news Heathrow Airport arrivals from the USA those being fully jabbed and not having to isolate.
Come on, we have screwed this up big time, not just the Feds but the SM idiots, those scare mongers re AZ, UK has AZ as their no1 vaccine by the way.
The idiot in Qld Health Young !
The media what a pack of A holes.
Our country has become a pack of idiots.

[oldel]

Originally Posted by DJR-351

My mother's 81 and lives in Hillarys WA, I'm from WA.....

Your mum is in a suburb next to me (I'm the other side of whitford sc), does she need anything that an old dumb dropkick in a ute can get?
(I ain't promising vaccines or anything)

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

My family also, all going OK

Good to hear...

Just going back to your vaccine choice though....

Originally Posted by slowsnake

.....my GP is a brilliant general practitioner and he straight up said he cant!

He knows how bloody crook I am too, but he said when you go to the local hospital ask, beg, plead and they will say no, well they said NO.....

The only reason i can see why your GP would say no to demanding you receive the Pfizer shot is he does not believe you have any of the qualifying medical conditions laid down in the guidelines.

If a GP/Specialist writes you a letter as required stating you qualify for the Pfizer shot then that is what you will get, no if's or buts, those dishing out the jabs cannot overrule your GP/Specialist.

It's all here....

https://ww2.health.wa.gov.au/Article...OVID19-vaccine



https://www.allergy.org.au/hp/papers...19-vaccination