Covid 19 -

[zilo]

Originally Posted by asagaai

Melbourne in lockdown.

Sydney, Wollongong and now Newcastle and Hunter lockdown.

Brisbane lockdown.

In percentage terms and logistics the engine room of Australia in lockdown.

The cost is astronomical to Australia.

I know one should not look with the wisdom of hindsight, but if Australia had spent the money for purpose designed stand alone quarantine facilities at the outset, and had Scott Morrison not penny pinched on vaccine costs and throttled Pfizer in favour of the cheaper Astra, things might be looking different now.

Is that saying- penny wise pound poor.

And another one- it's not a race.....

You know we are in trouble when the original poster comes back after 13000 posts...

[cheap]

Originally Posted by russellw

While we debate the merits of lockdowns and their timings, let's get some perspective.

In the last 10 days, Australia has recorded 2,308 cases and 10 deaths which even though we now have case numbers above the 90th percentile (235) is still only 9.05 cases per 100k of population.

Contrast that with some countries that are in real trouble over the current 10 day period. All figures are per 100k of total population: Turkey (335), Thailand (344), Portugal (360), Ireland (362), USA (368), Tunisia (376), Israel (381), Iraq (393), Iran (516), Libya (517), Kazakhstan (537), UK (560), Spain (679), Malaysia (738), Cypress (759), Georgia (1,015), Cuba (1,081) and Bangladesh (1,108).

And on average 420-470 Australians die each day... that's a perspective too.

I have it on good authority that most people with confirmed C19, are prescribed to go home rest, and take panadol i.e. simply ride it out. Add a cuppa and chicken noodle soup to the recovery routine and it does appear that we're treating the flu.

[Metdevil]

Originally Posted by cheap

I have it on good authority that most people with confirmed C19, are prescribed to go home rest, and take panadol i.e. simply ride it out. Add a cuppa and chicken noodle soup to the recovery routine and it does appear that we're treating the flu.

They're being prescribed rest and a Panadol because there's no treatment to help fight the viral infection and there's nothing hospitals can do until you've developed moderate disease symptoms.

"No treatment available" does not equal "basically just the flu"...

https://www.uptodate.com/contents/co...ink#H875275317

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by asagaai

Melbourne in lockdown.

Sydney, Wollongong and now Newcastle and Hunter lockdown.

Brisbane lockdown.

In percentage terms and logistics the engine room of Australia in lockdown.

The cost is astronomical to Australia.

I know one should not look with the wisdom of hindsight, but if Australia had spent the money for purpose designed stand alone quarantine facilities at the outset, and had Scott Morrison not penny pinched on vaccine costs and throttled Pfizer in favour of the cheaper Astra, things might be looking different now.

Is that saying- penny wise pound poor.

And another one- it's not a race.....

Current outbreak doesn't stem from hotel quarantine though.
It stems from transporting an infected air crew.

So regardless of where you quarantine someone, there would still be the possibility of transmission of the virus.
Unless everyone is suited up in full hazmat gear.
And even then it's not 100% safe.

Probably should have not let anyone back in months ago, until the majority of the public was vaccinated.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

So, come on, fess up… Who HERE have been financially impacted by these rules?
Versus those WHO have continued to receive their weekly/monthly salaries, and wanta throw rocks at those that dare protest these previously unheard of restrictions??
I swear, it’s ONLY when it hits your own pocket that you question??

Pretty much everyone in my close family and close friends are essential workers and have not been affected. Except my brother in law. He was pro lock down because he wanted short term pain so everything can get back to normal.

Now Sydney is up to week 6 of lockdown I'll have to find out if he is still pro lockdown.

[Metdevil]

Originally Posted by cheap

And the vast majority will ride it out, their immune system will develop antibodies and they continue with living.

Death isn't the only measure of impact the virus is having...

[yakcam]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

A question?… How many commenting in this thread have been impacted financially by these continual lockdowns?

I quit my job in late 2019 to try and find some happiness. It's a long story, but I sold everything and had a solid plan. Then CV-19 hit. So, with that and dodgy/slow tradesmen where I was stuck in Adelaide for the first 6 months of this year (Love the place, it's amazing), I'm out about $60k.

I had an investment that I sent to L.A in late 2019 to be auctioned in early 2020. Due to covid, the auction was postponed and was eventually held in late August. It sold for a lot less than was expected. Probably by around 80-100k.

When that's all you have left in life and you don't have a job. $140-160k out of pocket is a big hit and it's possibly going to break me.

[MITCHAY]

Well I finally got around to booking my jab for 6/10. It took 54 mins on the phone but I got that box ticked

As it turned out I couldn't book online because I changed address! They even had my mums details correct and my old address and the same Medicare number.

What a **** system if it takes that long here with no risk. I can only imagine how ****ed it is in NSW!

As Charliewool brought up. It's easy to want all these lockdowns when you're sitting sweet. Full disclosure I have been going to work this whole time and have never worked harder so I'm sweet as.

People lose jobs all the time usually, that is just market forces and that is capitalism.

But that is not what is happening here right now, the governments are stripping away a persons ability to work which is fine so long as long as they fairly compensate. The businesses have no cash flow due to the start/stop nature of lockdowns.

$750 a week? I'd be ok but **** me would that even cover a mortgage repayment in Sydney and Melbourne?

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by cheap

And the vast majority will ride it out, their immune system will develop antibodies and they continue with living.

And if we let the vast majority of people get covid, the small percentage that don't ride it out will be a huge number. Let it run through the entire population and we just lose 1% people who catch it - 250,000 people.

We are only avoiding this at the moment by isolationism. From each other and the rest of the world.

[snap0964]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

A question?… How many commenting in this thread have been impacted financially by these continual lockdowns?
Ok, I ain’t there… However, talking to family, friends etc back in Oz, the feedback I get is if you’re still getting paid, they back govco unquestionably with their lockdown rules?
I spoke to a good mate last night who owns some substantial commercial property in Melbs West… he estimates he )is out of pocket well over a mil in the last 18 months with tenants unable to pay legally contracted leases… Help from Gov? Zilch!
Said mate ain’t a millionaire either, he’s similar age to me (65) and has worked his ring off to get there… these properties were to be his superannuation… Stands to lose everything unless he can get new tenants..
He is absolutely beside himself with severe depression…
And I’m sure there are thousands of similar stories Australia wide?
So, come on, fess up… Who HERE have been financially impacted by these rules?
Versus those WHO have continued to receive their weekly/monthly salaries, and wanta throw rocks at those that dare protest these previously unheard of restrictions??
I swear, it’s ONLY when it hits your own pocket that you question??

Craig Kelly put this out last week:



We all know it will never happen, I think though he has a point.

[Metdevil]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

So, come on, fess up… Who HERE have been financially impacted by these rules?
Versus those WHO have continued to receive their weekly/monthly salaries, and wanta throw rocks at those that dare protest these previously unheard of restrictions??
I swear, it’s ONLY when it hits your own pocket that you question??

Well having seen Australia's handling of the situation compared to NZ's, if it came down to one 4-6 week lockdown done well versus off-and-on again lockdowns over the period of more than a year, I don't really think it would matter how badly it affected me, I know which one I'd choose.

You'd think that if you knew you were going to be heavily impacted financially that you'd prefer a one-and-done lockdown.

We haven't seen a level-4 lockdown in New Zealand since the first one in March-April 2020, and I don't know anyone personally who would want another one.

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by Metdevil

They're being prescribed rest and a Panadol because there's no treatment to help fight the viral infection and there's nothing hospitals can do until you've developed moderate disease symptoms.

"No treatment available" does not equal "basically just the flu"...

https://www.uptodate.com/contents/co...ink#H875275317

Panadol is specifically prescribed to control fever, one of the first symptoms of illness if affected by corona virus
My mate an RN in Sydney told me that!

Cheers Billy

[MITCHAY]

Who can be ****ed listening to premiers giving 1hr press conferences everyday? I've tuned out of this **** seriously.

The only facts that matter are what are the restrictions, how many cases, how many are local, how many were in the community, how many in hospital, and how many are in ICU. A pleb can do that.

It doesn't take 1hr at all

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Who can be ****ed listening to premiers giving 1hr press conferences everyday? I've tuned out of this **** seriously.

The only facts that matter are what are the restrictions, how many cases, how many are local, how many were in the community, how many in hospital, and how many are in ICU. A pleb can do that.

It doesn't take 1hr at all

If she removed these lines:

'And I must say'
'I thank the xyd people that lined up for testing'
'Based on the health advice'
'We're all in this together'
'I do want to convey'
'I can't stress that enough'
'Having said that'

The conference would be done in 5 minutes.

I think she is also inside betting on what colour jacket she wears each day just quietly...


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[Metdevil]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

If she removed these lines:

'And I must say'
'I thank the xyd people that lined up for testing'
'Based on the health advice'
'We're all in this together'
'I do want to convey'
'I can't stress that enough'
'Having said that'

The conference would be done in 5 minutes.

I think she is also inside betting on what colour jacket she wears each day just quietly...


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Sounds like you could turn it into a half-decent drinking game

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Metdevil

Sounds like you could turn it into a half-decent drinking game



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True... but a drinking game of 1 player ain't all that fun and she certainly isn't worth the bandwidth in the future...



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[Metdevil]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

a drinking game of 1 player ain't all that fun...

Guess that's just me :p

[Jack91]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

A question?… How many commenting in this thread have been impacted financially by these continual lockdowns?
Ok, I ain’t there… However, talking to family, friends etc back in Oz, the feedback I get is if you’re still getting paid, they back govco unquestionably with their lockdown rules?
I spoke to a good mate last night who owns some substantial commercial property in Melbs West… he estimates he )is out of pocket well over a mil in the last 18 months with tenants unable to pay legally contracted leases… Help from Gov? Zilch!
Said mate ain’t a millionaire either, he’s similar age to me (65) and has worked his ring off to get there… these properties were to be his superannuation… Stands to lose everything unless he can get new tenants..
He is absolutely beside himself with severe depression…
And I’m sure there are thousands of similar stories Australia wide?
So, come on, fess up… Who HERE have been financially impacted by these rules?
Versus those WHO have continued to receive their weekly/monthly salaries, and wanta throw rocks at those that dare protest these previously unheard of restrictions??
I swear, it’s ONLY when it hits your own pocket that you question??

Better off financially, and totally swamped with work. It's actually gone nuts, I've been in the industry for 10 years and never seen it this big. My Mrs is in a similar field but not on the tools and it's the same for them, turning away work left and right.

Funnily enough, we've been trying very hard to hire people for 12 months now, and getting NOTHING. Even resorted to posting on the local Facebook groups, zero interest in both an apprenticeship or as a tradesman. Had one message, told him to call, nope.
Multiple other shops in town are also advertising heavily, a couple I know from experience NEVER put people on so it must also be crazy busy for them. There is a tonne of jobs, especially in construction right now,just Noone wants to work.

I think most people crying poor are lazy and loving the handouts too much till they can go back to complaining about how hard it is to punch tickets at the cinemas. I feel bad for teachers, and people that have a genuinely important job they now can't attend. However,if you have a nothing job, no career, and no savings, well who's to blame, really?
Obviously this isn't a dig at your mate, but his tenants. And also the government for being so shortsighted with these deferrals and tenant protection crap they bought in at the start.

In saying all that, I don't support the lockdowns. One or 2 yeah, but they're now being used to fix problems that shouldn't have occurred in the first place. Build a wall and make nsw pay for it

[russellw]

Originally Posted by cheap

And on average 420-470 Australians die each day... that's a perspective too.

I have it on good authority that most people with confirmed C19, are prescribed to go home rest, and take panadol i.e. simply ride it out. Add a cuppa and chicken noodle soup to the recovery routine and it does appear that we're treating the flu.

You have it on good authority? While saying "most people" is technically correct, it's cold comfort to the 10,000 people dying each day globally or the 4.2M people who have died from COVID19 since the pandemic started or the 932 Australian who have died thus far. Or, for that matter, the yet to be determined longer term effects for those who don't actually die.

[russellw]

In terms of financial impact, even this forum has been impacted as I made the decision when lockdowns started in earnest last year that we wouldn't invoice the sponsors who were in place at that time until things returned to 'relative normality'. That's about $25k we are down to date.

That money is used to meet the running costs of the forum but with the sponsors and the donating members we usually run at a surplus, 90% of which went to charitable donations.

We didn't have any surplus for charitable donations last year so that's a loss to the community as a whole (we donated $10k in 2019) and actually ran at a real loss (as we will this year) which I am funding.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by russellw

We.... actually ran at a real loss (as we will this year) which I am funding.

Hey Russ, that's very admirable of you , but I don't see why that burden should fall just to you!

Is there a way that forum members could make a one off donation to be able to help contribute towards covering the loss? I'm certainly prepared to do that to help keep the forum up and running.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

29 new cases in Vic today. All of whom were in the community whilst infectious. Seems like it was the right call to put the state into lockdown, otherwise this outbreak would have been much more significant (keeping in mind that numbers will be likely to rise further from where they are now.)

E: that's the largest daily jump for Vic this year.

[slowsnake]

Jack91....all jobs are important!....especially the man who picks up ya garbage, without him we all live in filth?
Sorry I can't copy and paste paragraphs or I would of quoted more from your post


Cheers Billy.

[russellw]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

Hey Russ, that's very admirable of you , but I don't see why that burden should fall just to you!

Is there a way that forum members could make a one off donation to be able to help contribute towards covering the loss? I'm certainly prepared to do that to help keep the forum up and running.

Thanks for the offer but it's probably only for the this year now and I've reduced some of the costs (like not having a test server any more) to make it easier. The DM's (like yourself) we do have are a big help in bridging the gap so a big thanks should go top them.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by russellw

Thanks for the offer but it's probably only for the this year now and I've reduced some of the costs (like not having a test server any more) to make it easier. The DM's (like yourself) we do have are a big help in bridging the gap so a big thanks should go top them.

Well, the offer is always there. Sing out if you change your mind.

[buggerlugs]

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...607e369bec3073

Geez, it was like he wanted to talk about anything other than today's figures and deaths.....

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT August 6th 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

308 new cases for Australia and 1 death so the CMR is 2.614%. NSW set another new daily high with 291 cases.

No new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 0.903%.

The UK had a higher 31,442 cases yesterday and higher 92 deaths for a CMR of 2.165%.

A higher 135,618 new cases in the USA yesterday and lower 588 deaths sees CMR at 1.740%.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 202M, the last 1M in 1 day;
Yesterday (5/8) was the first day over 700k global cases since 14/5;
Africa passes 7M cases;
The UK passes 6M cases;

Japan (15,263);
Malaysia (20,889); and
Thailand (21,379)

... recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

No countries move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period and none drop below.

[shedcoupe]

Maybe entertaining books could be given to those in lockdown.
Such as Diary of a Young Girl by Anne Frank.

That might relieve the agony of only having video contact with the rellies.

[HIPO]

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[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by HIPO

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