Depression, Anxiety

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

This is only my opinion, its not set in stone!
Its my observations of others, my communications with them, there is a common denominator too, that common denominator is that they put the blame on their current situation everywhere but on themselves!

Its always someone or something else that caused their problems!
They, the folk I know and talk to daily have all got an issue with owning up to their own faults as people, they think they are failures, think they failed their family or parents!

Was their upbringing really that bad, some maybe be not all, what is it that makes a man want to give up and stop fighting?..and I mean stop fighting daily problems that all of us face at one time or another!
I was like every depressed person here, and it took a long time, years, decades to realise that I am the master of this ship, that I am responsible for everything that happens to that ship, me Billy, not anyone else.

Right now I am the happiest I have ever been, and I'm dying, and am happy about that, my only concern that does depress me is where my beloved 10 yr old cat ends up when I'm gone!...now that really does depress me!


Cheers Billy.

G'day Billy. Appreciate your views. Here is my experience, not sure whether "blame" is the right way to put it, some people I know who have opened up about their troubles seem to all blame themselves. I did volunteering work for CRISIS when I lived in the UK, worked with some really troubled people (homeless and addicted) and conversations always turns to what they should or shouldn't have done. I remember we had a Christmas tree set up one time, and they were free to write their thoughts and put it on the tree, and when you read it, 90% was all about how they wish they could change something about themselves.

I think its important to understand cause and consequence. One's action, and how it impact's others, can have a lasting effect on people's long term mental health. (i'm sounding like a leftie tree hugger here). First thing therapists try to uncover is your experiences during childhood. How did one interact with your grand parents and parents? etc. This is not to attribute blame, but to understand "why" so one can take steps to fix it.

What I don't get is, why we are seeing kids as young as 8 and 9 severely impacted, to the point where they see that there is no point going on. Low hanging fruit is to just "blame" things like social media". But what is it that is happening that is pushing them towards social media as the main platform for socialising and getting involved in toxic behaviour? etc. Too deep for today.

[Crazy Dazz]

The one thing you can't do is generalise. Too many different types of people for that.

The one thing I will say is that Mental Health issues tend to reflect the individual.
Those who are normally very responsible, see their role as providing & protecting, and put others first, will suffer when they feel they have failed in those obligations.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

I would really like to know how many members here with depression smoke hydro?..you know "self medicate"
And how many don't take their medication when they should??
And how many members without depression smoke hydroponic pot for relaxation maybe once a week, not all day?


Cheers Billy.

so, around 4 questions above.
I'll take a punt on the last one....
without depression ? well I'm not sure in todays world BUT I think I'm ok despite the countless challenges I deal with daily family wise and business - some may think they are depressed due to the strains of it all some not, I'll put myself in the not.
Smoking pot for relaxation maybe once a week not all day ?
Well I'll be honest back in my late teens into my mid 20's I did smoke it weekly with the guys I hung around with being "surfers" blahblahblah.....
As much as I had some fun at times I struggled carrying on with it compared to some of my mates who to this are still regular smokers and the life differences pretty much are obvious.
Fact is imo its not good for you "period".
Depending on your personality and activities.
It enhances
Laziness
Slow mindset, everything against or opposite about getting off your a rse.
Paranoia.
I'm sure the % of my friends wish they did this wish they did that But the fact of matter is it was the recreational drugs that put their lives into that world - of its because of this, I should have done that and it someones else fault possibly.
Its their own fault period.
A few of them arrange re unions now and then, I went to a couple and thought it was depressing how some are still the same and have typical other personal issues that in the big picture could have been avoided if they got their acts together.

Comes down to do you want to grow up or not and stop having excuse's.
OK I get it for those coming to last resorts re medicinal purpose's suffering some terrible health issues but in general, grow up.
Sorry thats my take on your last question and yes were all different..

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

G'day Billy. Appreciate your views. Here is my experience, not sure whether "blame" is the right way to put it, some people I know who have opened up about their troubles seem to all blame themselves. I did volunteering work for CRISIS when I lived in the UK, worked with some really troubled people (homeless and addicted) and conversations always turns to what they should or shouldn't have done. I remember we had a Christmas tree set up one time, and they were free to write their thoughts and put it on the tree, and when you read it, 90% was all about how they wish they could change something about themselves.

I think its important to understand cause and consequence. One's action, and how it impact's others, can have a lasting effect on people's long term mental health. (i'm sounding like a leftie tree hugger here). First thing therapists try to uncover is your experiences during childhood. How did one interact with your grand parents and parents? etc. This is not to attribute blame, but to understand "why" so one can take steps to fix it.

What I don't get is, why we are seeing kids as young as 8 and 9 severely impacted, to the point where they see that there is no point going on. Low hanging fruit is to just "blame" things like social media". But what is it that is happening that is pushing them towards social media as the main platform for socialising and getting involved in toxic behaviour? etc. Too deep for today.

Social media and iPhones etc are the biggest threat to mankind in my lifetime, but are the parents to blame there, if I had a young teen daughter she would not have a phone with internet connected, that's it, no arguments or begging or pleading, maybe an Android to keep safe contact with family!

That sounds harsh to the average parent but the average mother lives on gossip via an iPhone connection, I mean they are handy to have if used properly.
I loved landlines, they were used for mainly communicating with distant family members, visits from relos were exciting, now they are humdrum, and computer games are abominable, but only to folk who play them on occasion, to relax, to have fun, not to watch a screen all bloody day!

Too much peer pressure on kids nowadays, everyone wants what others have, similar to the old "keeping up with the Joneses" were the Mother stuck at home wants what next doors got!
Poor dad has to get another job or two to keep up, its a vicious circle really, and if a kid at school has a new toy then other kids want it, then more pressure on mum who in turn pressures dad to get a 3rd job!

I read somewhere that Americans who work for these social media companies ban their children from using it, because they know how much information is collected from kids?

The world is falling to pieces, I'm glad I won't be here much longer, it can only get worse, it will not fix itself!


Cheers Billy.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

The one thing you can't do is generalise. Too many different types of people for that.

I agree.

Every person will deal with stresses and problems differently. I'm the sort of person who will stew over things and second guess my abilities if something go's wrong.

I am very aware of my faults and I blame myself for a lot. I have also found other people will use my faults to their benefit.

I can also say that I am physically active, eat well enough and have never ever smoked or taken recreational drugs. I have never had a drop of alcohol. And I'm the sort of person who uses social media for good and distance myself from the toxicity inherent in those platforms.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that sometimes depression has no one major cause, ie too much drugs, heavy drinking, social media ect. It's a combination of experiences that build up over time.

[slowsnake]

I met a very complicated young girl a couple of months ago, she reminded me of Olive Oyl from the Popeye cartoon, she was stick thin and homeless!
Her name was Iris and her mother is a speed freak, or "tweaker" as they are called now.
She was a beautiful child, undernourished and big brown eyes, she was 11 years old, she lives on the streets at a suburb called Northbridge in Perth.
She was with another girl, 12 years old and they were being protected by 14 year old Hannah who I call the Mother Hen!

It was near midnight when my neighbour called me, my neighbour is on methadone and is 43 years old, her best friend is Hannah's mother, she is 42 years old and thinks she has an aboriginal elder living in her right chest or breast area?...this woman was raped as a 6 year old by a relative an uncle, she is a real mess, everything that you hate as a human has happened to this poor woman.

But Hannah is absolutely normal, she was her mothers carer, and she goes around picking up street kids, she feeds em and protects them, she has her mothers platinum credit card, this girl is 6 feet tall and could be on the cover of Vogue magazine, she is the most well adapted and caring 14 yr old kid I have ever met.
Hannah and I get on like a house on fire, we both have severe ADHD and she is medicated and I am not, but we both have this "drive" inside us, it can't be explained but its a certain ability we have to go forward, not dwell on the past but only on what is happening in your environment at the present time.

I left and went home at 1am, in the morning I was going to see the local cops and get em to stop these 3 kids at the local railway station, I was going to get them to find out where Iris lived, go and get these dealers who were supplying her mother, a smash and bash!..balaclava and baseball bat job!..lol!

They were gone by morning, got a taxi at 5am, bloody Hannah must of twigged what I was going to do, that's intuition for you, have not seen any of them since, but Hannah's grandmother visits my neighbour and friend weekly, she assures me her granddaughter is OK, but her daughter is a mess, adding as usual.

You can't help folk if they don't want helping, but kiddies are a worry and I still think about Iris, but Hannah all 14 years of her assures me she is fine!

And we all think we got problems!


Cheers Billy.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Some may have seen my post in the "What Made You Feel Good Today" thread, but I thought I'd post this here too, as it may just help someone out.

Myself and a few others are participating in the Pushup Challenge, where teams are completing 3,318 pushups over 25 days, to both fundraise for and put a spotlight on mental health. The target of 3,318 represents the number of Australians who died by suicide in 2019.

Each day they have a new mental health fact. Today's, I thought, was quite interesting and something that you blokes on here should keep in mind, especially given the topic of discussion:

Men are much more likely to die by suicide

Day 8 – 209 push-ups

209 men every month: Of the 3,318 push-ups this year, 2,502 of them represent men who died by suicide in Australia in 2019. That’s over 75% of the total, and is equal to about 209 men every month. Women experience mental health issues at higher rates than men, and report higher rates of suicidality. However, men are less likely to seek help for mental illness, and are 3x more likely to die by suicide.

Some spaces within our communities exist especially to support the mental health of the men in our lives, like the Men’s Shed. Men’s Sheds provide open workspaces where men can socialise, work, or help out their communities.

If you or a male you know needs to talk to someone about mental health, Mensline is a national service for men providing referrals, counselling and support. Call 1300 78 99 78 (24 hours a day).

Stay well, folks.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Today's mental health fact.

Exercise can be an anti-depressant

Day 9 – 135 push-ups

Exercise can be an anti-depressant: There is growing scientific evidence suggesting that aerobic exercise can be utilised to prevent and treat depression. One recent analysis of this evidence suggested that three 45-minute exercise sessions per week (135 minutes total) was enough to provide anti-depressant benefits to mental health.

The impact of exercise on mental health was recently demonstrated in a study involving 1.24 million people, which found that people who participated in exercise had less days per month of poor mental health. The biggest differences were associated with team sports and forms of aerobic exercise.

Exercise doesn’t have to be strenuous to help: moderate activity like fast walking, cycling, steady lap swimming, or anything that causes a rise in heart rate and a bit of a sweat, is the best way to give your brain a boost.

Check out a blog article on exercise HERE

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

Social media and iPhones etc are the biggest threat to mankind in my lifetime, but are the parents to blame there, if I had a young teen daughter she would not have a phone with internet connected, that's it, no arguments or begging or pleading, maybe an Android to keep safe contact with family!

That sounds harsh to the average parent but the average mother lives on gossip via an iPhone connection, I mean they are handy to have if used properly.
I loved landlines, they were used for mainly communicating with distant family members, visits from relos were exciting, now they are humdrum, and computer games are abominable, but only to folk who play them on occasion, to relax, to have fun, not to watch a screen all bloody day!

Too much peer pressure on kids nowadays, everyone wants what others have, similar to the old "keeping up with the Joneses" were the Mother stuck at home wants what next doors got!
Poor dad has to get another job or two to keep up, its a vicious circle really, and if a kid at school has a new toy then other kids want it, then more pressure on mum who in turn pressures dad to get a 3rd job!

I read somewhere that Americans who work for these social media companies ban their children from using it, because they know how much information is collected from kids?

The world is falling to pieces, I'm glad I won't be here much longer, it can only get worse, it will not fix itself!


Cheers Billy.

Ah Billy, all the above is your pov and I respect that But alot is not much different than previous decades in many things.

The world was always on a decline, thats growth,populations,expansions, technologies, thats human, we're our own worst enemy.
From Caveman, to Romans, religion spread, x x and x, WW1/WW2 yaddayadda......
Every single past decade/century something got to give And there will always be the pov by many, the world is going mad depending the spectrum you've come from and live by.
There has always been "keeping up with the Jones's" every single era.
There has always been the "gossiping" mother/s every single era.
If you wanted to get somewhere having a 2nd job was a given long ago as well for a period of time.
We're all to blame period.
IF you had a daughter in this day and age you would work with her of the neccessary evils for being "harsh" doesn't work like back in the dark ages for all, you will just lose your daughter period, she'll run away them's the facts.
Communication is the key and I have to say far better than back in the day when many we're ignorant of alot of things that if more informed many issues could have been dealt with.
We have a great relationship with our 16yr old daughter imo, due to asking her questions, discussing her activity on SM and keeping tabs whats doing.
You got to creat trust and then it needs to be earnt, she has to learn from wrongs, just as back in the day.
If not well what can you do, many others lost the plot back in the simpler days as well.

Yes there has been a number of docos re ex Google and or other similar company employees expressing their POV.
Not surprised - again comes down how you look after your flock, no different going back to the human worlds beginnings.
There will always be challenges.
Nothing fix's itself.
Take care mate hope your having a good day.

[slowsnake]

Everything i type is my point of view of course, but if I had a daughter she would be in her 40's lol, not sure why but I seem to attract life's garbage, human garbage that is, some I help some I don't!
But I know how I was brought up in a family of 5 kids, pretty poor like everyone else after the war, and like others I watched my/our world change, I used to speak to other folk older than me when I was young, you still had on average maybe 90% honest decent hard-working folk, 10% garbage!

Now its 50/50 on my estimation, and I believe America should be party to a lot of blame, their love of the mighty Greenback which ain't so mighty now, its almost as if a gigantic pendulum has swung and it hit dead centre bottom, it can only go upward, but its like its sort of stuck in some type of ****!
Its a very interesting time for humanity, depending on your/our personal belief system, mine is telling me its a one hundred year cycle! starting in the year 2000.



Cheers Billy

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

Social media and iPhones etc are the biggest threat to mankind in my lifetime, but are the parents to blame there, if I had a young teen daughter she would not have a phone with internet connected, that's it, no arguments or begging or pleading, maybe an Android to keep safe contact with family!

That sounds harsh to the average parent but the average mother lives on gossip via an iPhone connection, I mean they are handy to have if used properly.
I loved landlines, they were used for mainly communicating with distant family members, visits from relos were exciting, now they are humdrum, and computer games are abominable, but only to folk who play them on occasion, to relax, to have fun, not to watch a screen all bloody day!

Too much peer pressure on kids nowadays, everyone wants what others have, similar to the old "keeping up with the Joneses" were the Mother stuck at home wants what next doors got!
Poor dad has to get another job or two to keep up, its a vicious circle really, and if a kid at school has a new toy then other kids want it, then more pressure on mum who in turn pressures dad to get a 3rd job!

I read somewhere that Americans who work for these social media companies ban their children from using it, because they know how much information is collected from kids?

The world is falling to pieces, I'm glad I won't be here much longer, it can only get worse, it will not fix itself!


Cheers Billy.

History has a habit of repeating itself, I don't blame technology one bit for the problems we have, it is just natural to give your children more than what we never had.
I think self entitlement is the undoing of humanity.
Just my view.
Cheers

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Soz, missed yesterday's mental health fact, so posting two lots today:

Meaningful change is needed for our First Nations People
Day 10 – 195 push-ups
Today’s target is 195 push-ups, to represent the 195 First Nations Australians who died by suicide in 2019. The burden of mental ill health is disproportionately felt by our First Nations people.

Currently, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people are over 200% more likely to die from suicide than other people living in Australia.

Mental health resources for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people can be found here:

https://headtohealth.gov.au/supporti...lander-peoples

https://www.beyondblue.org.au/who-do...s-and-websites

https://headspace.org.au/yarn-safe/


headspace supports young Australians
Day 11 – 170 push-ups
The Push-Up Challenge 2021 is supporting headspace. In 2021, headspace provided assistance to more than 170 000 Aussies aged 12-25. headspace has over 100 locations around the country, which provide no-cost or low-cost mental health services to young people.

You can find out more about headspace here

[blueoval]

In relation to the push up challenge posted by Foxtrot, I am thinking of giving this a go for 1 month. Both to help with concentrating on something mentally, but also for helping to love a little fat and hopefully tone up the arms and chest.

http://igorvoitenko.com/bring-sally-...ab/293272411-1

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by blueoval

In relation to the push up challenge posted by Foxtrot, I am thinking of giving this a go for 1 month. Both to help with concentrating on something mentally, but also for helping to love a little fat and hopefully tone up the arms and chest.

http://igorvoitenko.com/bring-sally-...ab/293272411-1

Hey blue, if this is your thing, I recommend you take a look at the Shaun T Insanity challenge. Guarantee you'll have abs by the end of the program. When I first started I couldn't get past the warm up stage By week 4 I had abs!....alas fried chicken won over in the end.

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Hey blue, if this is your thing, I recommend you take a look at the Shaun T Insanity challenge. Guarantee you'll have abs by the end of the program. When I first started I couldn't get past the warm up stage By week 4 I had abs!....alas fried chicken won over in the end.

You had me at fried chicken

But I want to do this kind of challenge for a month to prove to myself I can do it.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by blueoval

In relation to the push up challenge posted by Foxtrot, I am thinking of giving this a go for 1 month. Both to help with concentrating on something mentally, but also for helping to love a little fat and hopefully tone up the arms and chest.

http://igorvoitenko.com/bring-sally-...ab/293272411-1

I can't open that link on the work computer as it's hosted in the Russian Federation. I hope that it's a serious site and not tongue-in-cheek!

Originally Posted by blueoval

You had me at fried chicken

But I want to do this kind of challenge for a month to prove to myself I can do it.

Good on you, mate. I've been feeling a bit flat today. Only thing I can put it down to is that I haven't been able to exercise (walk or run) for the last few days because of the terrible weather we've been having. Although I have been keeping up with the pushups and/or alternates (lunges, situps, squats) I used to hate exercise, especially running. But now that I've got into it, I really miss it when I don't get a chance to get out. You never know, you might just find that you love it, too.


Here's today's mental health fact:

Support the new mums (and Dads) out there
Day 12 – 143 push-ups
Post-Natal: Today’s target is 143 push-ups. This represents the approximately 14.3% of Australian mothers who will experience post-natal depression. That’s one in seven.

Symptoms of post-natal depression can include: low mood, feeling inadequate or a failure as a mother, feeling overwhelmed or scared, getting unusually irritable, blaming yourself excessively, and not feeling able to look forward to things. Post-natal depression is also common in men - up to one in ten will experience it. Post-natal depression can be complicated and it’s worth checking in with a health professional if you are worried.

You can find more information and help here:

https://www.panda.org.au

[mondeomatureguy]

Hi Guys,
i was just reading some of the posts and a lot of them mention exercise.

As a few of you may have read a post that i write about my divorce from my first wife and instead of falling in a heap i went out and brought a push bike and would ride around a park on the weekends.

Another good thing is walking. It takes your mind off things and you get fit at the same time.
If you dont like walking do what i did brought a Dog and he or she makes you take them for a walk and after a while you will miss it when you dont or cant go for a walk.

Good Luck guys and stay safe and look after your selves.

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

I agree.

Every person will deal with stresses and problems differently. I'm the sort of person who will stew over things and second guess my abilities if something go's wrong.

I am very aware of my faults and I blame myself for a lot. I have also found other people will use my faults to their benefit.

Yep, I'm the same.
Trying to stay productive helps, but it's often hard to get motivated.

I also think that it's important, where it honestly is true, to allocate blame to others when appropriate. Not to stew on it, but to realise some things were beyond my control, and move on.

More recently, I have found the concept of the "3ft world" to be helpful. Focus on what's right in front of you, and on the things that you can control.

[slowsnake]

Everyone is different, I used to stew things over but never in an evil or vengeful way, I had and still do have excellent control over my emotions!

But with me it depends on the level of "down I feel" and that's a scale of 0 to 10, with 10 being ropeable!
Also the level of betrayal I feel if a loved one is involved.
Then there is the hard bit, nutting out in my own head why I feel the way I do, and will it matter in 10 years time!

No, I put my hand to my face and just say to myself " if its not her and now, right in front of my face" then I don't worry about it?
Took me about 50 years to work that out, that **** don't matter, unless its right here right now, or forget it until it is!



Cheers Billy.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

..
No, I put my hand to my face and just say to myself " if its not her and now, right in front of my face" then I don't worry about it?
Took me about 50 years to work that out, that **** don't matter, unless its right here right now, or forget it until it is!

Cheers Billy.

Took me 15 years to figure this out, wasn't until I had the listened the ebook "subtle art of not giving a ...."

[shedcoupe]

My observations of depressed or anxious people - some have a personal chemical imbalance and some are in difficult situations and for some, both.
People who are self-focussed tend to have more difficulty in life, and with the rise of social media self-obsession is increasingly encouraged and validated.
Psychological disorders such as anorexia and bulimia are usually found in women who imho are more prone to depression etc.
Back in the day when newsagents still had magazines the ‘mens interests’ section was mostly about externalities such as making stuff or doing stuff, whereas the other mob’s was about me-me-me and hearth and home stuff.
Regarding cannabis, it’s attractive to people who need a lift and a break from the madness of the world (like getting into a warm bath) and used in moderation it’s excellent for that, particularly if suitable strains are used.
But yes, excessive use is demotivating and encourages negativity.

[slowsnake]

As for pot, well like asbestos disease it may not show up until later, could be 1 day, 1 week, 1 month, 1 year or 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 decades?...who knows?

Some folk say its that "first drink" that makes an alcoholic!
Maybe pot or ice are the same, why smoke green if it gives you paranoia and delusional thoughts or behaviour!
Maybe because it gives you a disability support pension, and you dont have to put ya dole form in, and no need to look for a job cos that interferes with being stoned 24/7?

Social smokers, ice users and social drinkers excused!...



Cheers Billy.

[buggerlugs]

Originally Posted by mondeomatureguy

Hi Guys,
i was just reading some of the posts and a lot of them mention exercise.

As a few of you may have read a post that i write about my divorce from my first wife and instead of falling in a heap i went out and brought a push bike and would ride around a park on the weekends.

Another good thing is walking. It takes your mind off things and you get fit at the same time.
If you dont like walking do what i did brought a Dog and he or she makes you take them for a walk and after a while you will miss it when you dont or cant go for a walk.

Good Luck guys and stay safe and look after your selves.

Plus 1 for the dog. They are also great for your mental health. I find them much better company than humans.........

[shedcoupe]

I know quite a few people who’ve been smoking cannabis for more than forty years and who aren’t delusional or paranoid or demotivated.
The only one who isn’t in the best shape is also an alcoholic.
Alcohol is a much more problematic drug.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

Plus 1 for the dog. They are also great for your mental health. I find them much better company than humans.........

Can agree with that, there is no judging or emotional baggage with a dog either. They just love. While there has been some heartache along the way, he is my best friend and sometimes partner in crime, there is nothing I would not do for him.

He follows me to the door everyday, and meets me there at the end of it. He helps me sleep better and keeps me company while work. Someone asked me a while ago if I find it annoying having to deal with his array of quirks. No, it's all part of the deal of loving someone. Just like mental health, the good with the bad.



I love this shot of us sitting after I got home from work, a faithful friend sitting with his master.





Also, watching this cutie grow up with the guidance of her big brother last year was a delightful distraction to all that was wrong with the world.

[CoupeKing]

''Refuse to participate in the lie'' Not enough of that going around.




Change your diet/lifestyle and eating habits (small steps). Meditation, exercise, pets, yoga mean *&^& all if you're eating/drinking processed toxins with no nutritional value.

Whole foods, no snacks.

[T3rminator]

Another +1 on the dog. But make sure you are fully committed, they deserve 110%.

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by shedcoupe

I know quite a few people who’ve been smoking cannabis for more than forty years and who aren’t delusional or paranoid or demotivated.
The only one who isn’t in the best shape is also an alcoholic.
Alcohol is a much more problematic drug.

You may well know quite a few people who still "choof" after 40 years, and they may seem ok to you and others, but the damage you can't see is hidden away in their heads, not for public display or at work, whatever work they do!
I'm pushing 69 yrs now, and I can pick a junkie, or tweaker or potmonster a kilometre away!

And a choofing alcoholic is a different animal altogether, I suppose its the fact that when stoned or ****ed you don't have proper self control, not just your head, but your body, and especially morals and ethical behaviour goes out the window!

Eventually that behaviour leads to a feeling of worthlessness and you question who and why you are the way you are!..it's depressing really, for them and those closest to them.


Cheers Billy.

[shedcoupe]

Is that information from personal experience ?
Just asking.

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by shedcoupe

Is that information from personal experience ?
Just asking.

Mmmm, are you asking me! the bloke who run over a cane toad, skinned and dried it, then rolled it up and smoked it?....

The dude who owned a dead pet goanna in the NT, who used to take it to the wet mess for a nice cold VB?....

Yeh, its from personal experience, but watching others go down quicker and harder, I stopped after seeing what it did to my mates and other folk, especially my old stamping ground, Cabramatta.

I stopped drinking 7 years ago, choofing 30 years ago, and acid 45 years ago and never used heroin or speed unless I had to drive overnight to a job and would drop a few "shakers"..my only habit is nicotine and picking me nose!..lol...hahaha


Cheers Billy.