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16-02-2014, 11:46 AM | #1321 | |||
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Ford will say we completed all our contractual obligations and did what we could. Let the enthusiasts buy them as that will happen to an extent. The real issue is how long the car lasts... Will Ford hold out to 2016? I do hope so as they're the only ones who are being honest to date.
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16-02-2014, 11:53 AM | #1322 | ||
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It needs to have blind spot monitors as a lot of us older buggers don't have the flexibility with our necks we used to have. Some basic improvements to technology have to happen IMO otherwise it'll fail well before late 2016.
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16-02-2014, 12:12 PM | #1323 | ||
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now that right there to me is a scary statement.
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16-02-2014, 12:16 PM | #1324 | |||
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If you can't drive properly then go and hand your license in. You're all about safety as the cadence of your post suggests then you also consciously have the knowledge and responsibility to act maturely... Next you'll want button acceleration so you don't have to lift your leg from accelerator to the brakes....
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16-02-2014, 12:21 PM | #1325 | ||||
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also, commodore's seem to have a much larger loyal customer base. blind loyalty some call it, and critisize it. ford fans are apparently 'smarter' as they won't just blindly purchase a car forthe badge, and then whinge when falcon doesn't sell like commodore. ah the irony. |
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16-02-2014, 12:27 PM | #1326 | |||
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Prior to picking up the G6ET I test drove a VF SS and a VF SV6 Wagon, in the end the G6ET won out because I loved the drive train, the VF SS was a close second (handled great), however if I was going with a sedan the 60/40 rear seat was of more importance to me than any of the gadgets and the better fuel economy of the I6T. My wife still can't believe I have a Ford in the driveway as I have always been a Holden fan. I will admit the blind spot assist is great, however the auto-park assist wasn't even tested as I like many can park a car on my own. |
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16-02-2014, 12:34 PM | #1327 | |||
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16-02-2014, 12:39 PM | #1328 | ||
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Wheels mentioned suspension is remaining the same as this then means no need for ESC changes.
In other words, if we adjust or modify the suspension it adds $$$$ to make ESC changes also. Also that the bonnet and boot will have changes but remain steel rather than aluminium like VF. |
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16-02-2014, 01:03 PM | #1329 | ||
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I'm wondering if the XR8 will get torque vectoring?
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16-02-2014, 01:06 PM | #1330 | |||
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Next you'll be saying we don't need ABS or DSC either, if you can't drive without ABS and DSC you should be handing your licence in right, you're just making excuses for Falcon's outdated and very low level of technology, which along with their thirst is the main reasons they're not selling. |
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16-02-2014, 01:11 PM | #1331 | ||
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I find reversing sensors/dipping left mirror, on my GHIA great!! A reversing camera ?? you are looking at the screen, not where you are going. Not sold on reversing camera. All tech as its good and bad points...
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16-02-2014, 01:11 PM | #1332 | ||
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The car isnt even here yet and people are bagging it over features they don't know whether they are in the final car or not.
How about wait until the car is unveiled before passing judgement on it.
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16-02-2014, 01:13 PM | #1333 | ||
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No, its basically a 4th mirror, and used as such...check all your mirrors whilst reversing.
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16-02-2014, 01:15 PM | #1334 | |||
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To infer that various safety must be there as you can't move your neck is a whole other topic. One I passionately loathe. Please don't confuse my agreeance over the Falcon tech level with your view on technology compensating your lack of driving ability. We are not talking about awards, stars ratings or any other such futile rubbish. The point here is you publicly stated you aren't able to do something you are legally required to perform and seek to use technology as an escape goat, not a backup. For the symantics of blind spots, they mask the fact people don't check their blind spot. Regardless of the safety emotion that is the real issue. If you can't move your neck to check your blind spot you shouldn't drive. As technology often does, and certainly will do is fail. What will you do when you have an accident due to not checking your blind spot? "Sorry officer I can't move my neck and my blind spot detectors weren't working." Good luck in court with that defence.
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16-02-2014, 01:19 PM | #1335 | |||
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Reverse cameras are great and I'm in no doubt that they've saved lives (little kids) and insurance claims. |
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16-02-2014, 01:29 PM | #1336 | ||
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10 years time when some neglected cameras and sensors don't work, ya gonna have to rely on the mirrors or the turnin ya head around.
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16-02-2014, 01:39 PM | #1337 | |||
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FG Falcon technology, or lack thereof is something that really grinds my gearstick. I could write a whole novel on how I believe that Ford have deliberatly starved Falcon of the best available world wide technology but its as simple as this. Alan Mulally stated years ago Ford are moving to a one world platform for their vehicles and Ford basically believe the large car platform is all but dead. They've under invested in Falcon because that's what the CEO specifically chose to do. Ford Amercia wanted it to fail. Where's adaptive cruise control, adaptive or adjustable suspension heads-up display, attention assist function, heated and cooled seats, LED, Xenon or swivelling headlights, cylinder deactivation, Electric power assisted steering, or doesen't fuel economy count to you ?, a proper premium sound system e.t.c. e.t.c. e.t.c. I recently had a BMW 750i M Sport for the weekend on the invite of BMW and I would say my 2011 SC GT-P is not a full generation behind, as if often the case, but i'd say its now two generations behind the best Europe has on offer. The VF Holden's trechnology shows what can and should have been done if Ford in America had been cooperating with Ford Australia. Alan Mulally's vision has shafted Ford falcon down under, simple as that. |
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16-02-2014, 01:43 PM | #1338 | ||
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Same thing with lane departure and adaptive cruise control. More gimmicks that allow for lazy drivers who will lapse in concentration and cause fatalities.
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16-02-2014, 01:46 PM | #1339 | |||
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In saying that, do you want a drivers car or a tech car? In essence I love the driving experience and am hanging for the last XR8, in manual. The car is what it is, and will be what it will be. If you want to experience a true drivers car there won't be better then the FH for what we will pay. For some the tech makes 'em smile, for the drivers the car will. I'll take great pride in launching my technologically antequated falcon, smiling, knowing my opponent was too busy with facebook. Holden can have their tech and apps, let the I6T and Coyote lay rubber for years to come.
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16-02-2014, 01:48 PM | #1340 | |||
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Technology like this is not to be soley relied upon, you do so at your own peril (they can be turned off too). The technology is there to assist people, to further reduce accidents caused by drivers that have been distracted. Is a Porsche GT3 (or any 911, Cayman or Boxster) any less of a driver's car because of the technology packed into them?
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16-02-2014, 01:51 PM | #1341 | |||||
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throwing stones is easy. sometimes the hardest thing is putting emotion aside and accepting that Ford (global) have done the right thing by pulling the plug. |
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16-02-2014, 01:59 PM | #1342 | ||
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Prydey..Renault Latitude, 300C has some of those features, for starters. Just look at what the Focus, Mondeo has that the Falcon doesn't !!!! We can argue about what the Falcon lacks, till the cows come home...lets hope Ford get some of the tech from their world parts bin into the Falcon..not expecting it too match the VF,,but come close....
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16-02-2014, 02:18 PM | #1343 | ||||
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Have a look at www.ford.com and the level of technology in the latest Taurus and ask yourself why Ford starved the Falcon of the best technology, that's right, it was a deliberate decision to kill the Falcon off. Different price point the 7 Series BMW but only because its so heavily taxed and the local distributors are so blatantly price gouging. The final Falcon presents us with with a stark choice of that there is no doubt. A final fling with the past and all the emotion that's involved with the history of the Falcon for more than 50 years, a good drivers car, albeit with a chassis that's stretched right to its limit with the SC and I6T motors and bereft of the latest available technology...or wait for the Mustang and hope for the best, or defect to the Red team and enjoy arguably a better chassis / handling experience along with a raft of current technology and all at a very reasonable price, but without the wonderful smooth torque laden delivery of the legendary I6T or the raw power of the V8 SC 335. Kiwi's are in a better, (perhaps facing an even more perplexing dilema), position and have the added complexity of parallel importing a top end Euro for not much more money than a top of the line SC FPV. Choice...definitly a first world problem Last edited by Rodge; 16-02-2014 at 02:27 PM. |
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16-02-2014, 03:10 PM | #1344 | |||
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I've had an EA and ED and have no idea how the front guards were any different? Ahhh the good old days when you could easily and cheaply swap or paint bits that attach to the car (door handles, C-pillar garnishes, boot garnishes, tail lights, door bump strips) to freshen the car up! On topic, I think overall FH is (like the ED Falcon) a value packed model with a very short run that will bridge the current FG Falcon and it's replacement (in this case, not another Falcon but the Fusion/Mondeo) PS: I'm not comparing the level of differentiation between FG/FH to EB/ED, nor am I contending that Fusion/Mondeo is a true spiritual replacement for the Falcon. Last edited by LeadFoot81; 16-02-2014 at 03:15 PM. |
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16-02-2014, 03:15 PM | #1345 | |||
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Go price up a set of OEM piano black dash spears and shifter/console surround for an FG and see what you get (or even see how much second hand ones are
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16-02-2014, 03:17 PM | #1346 | ||
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I hear you man! What I meant though, was that it was easier for manufacturers to freshen up models (without the need for sheet metal changes) Although it could be argued they were just lazier back then too.
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16-02-2014, 03:29 PM | #1347 | |||
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I'd agree that I don't need all of those safety features, but they're still mighty helpful and can only contribute to a safe trip. Have a look at Ford's Mondeo page for all of the goodies it has: http://www.ford.com.au/cars/mondeo/m...titanium-hatch And have a look at carsales.com.au where you can get new/near new MC Titaniums for $40K DA. |
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16-02-2014, 03:38 PM | #1348 | ||
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16-02-2014, 03:42 PM | #1349 | ||
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I do believe the Falcon should have already had more features that other cars have (like the Taurus), that the Falcon doesn't have. But that would never have saved it, manufacturing cars in Australia was terminally ill anyway.
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