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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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It felt like 40 km- but I just looked at my strava rides history for months ago- the loop was only 25.61 km. Felt like 40 km- oh well. My house is on a peninsula on Lake Macquarie, and to my eye the entire "loop" that I did looks like it is just within a 10 km odd radius from my house as the crow flies, and in any event is all the Local Government area- being Lake Macquarie. The rules are: Exercise and recreation Stay in your local government area or up to 10km from home. So it is one or the other- thank goodness I live in Lake Macquarie which is a large local government area....
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Virtuous Bogan (TM)
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Get vaccine, give yourself more options, reduce the severity when you finally get it and assist in reducing the transmission rate or... Try your luck. Anything else is a bonus, and yeah we may need boosters etc.
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DIY Tragic
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Sydney, more than not. I hate it.
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How does NSW intend to address the burden of proof for people alleging they’re visiting intimate partners? Not everyone has sexy selfies or pillow talk messages on their phone. It seems the authorities are moving towards an ad-hoc compliance driven revenue model, rather than actually developing an enduring Covid strategy.
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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Location: Newcastle
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I am interested as to what timeframe the intimate partner bubble lasts for and rules regarding debubbling the bubble-ie get one hookup on tinder and "elect" that is your intimate partner for 12 hours to allow for the hookup, then elect to Uncouple and back on tinder for a new "intimate partner" bubble coupling. ![]()
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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Location: Canberra
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ACT off the bench and into the lockdown circus
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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Doesn't anybody want to address the elephant in the room.
Two men in their nineties from NSW died from the disease yesterday. One had one AZ jab and the other had both Phizer jabs. |
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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(yea i know i know, i'll get to their age one day too... if im lucky) |
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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Blokes in their nineties are well past their expiry dates and it wouldn't take much of a respiratory illness to take them out. Vaccination doesn't prevent infection - it just reduces the severity of the symptoms. Allegedly. |
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N/A all the way
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They Claim 95 and 98 percent efficacy, not 100%. So if 100 people in their 90's what normally happens, few walk out again. You will still lose some people in their 90's that are vaccinated.
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After browsing through the exposure locations, I'd be highly doubtful this ends in 7 days. Already another 3 positive cases reported, testing centres jammed.
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DIY Tragic
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Budget Racer
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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Sinking a couple of tins with Spotify going is pretty standard for Friday nights
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Mar 2005
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answer my elephant in the room - did they die OF COVID or WITH COVID? There is a BIG difference
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New system: Four tiers to guide businesses on mandatory vaccinations
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And here's the ABC's story on that topic:
Can employers make COVID-19 vaccination mandatory? If you're an aged care worker, you have to get a COVID vaccine. Vaccinations are also mandatory for most people working on the quarantine front line. But what about everyone else? Can your boss make it mandatory for you to get immunised? The Fair Work Ombudsman (FWO) has updated its guidelines for employers and their workers in an effort to make the legally "grey" area a little clearer. The black and white cases of mandatory vaccinations Some workers are required by law, mostly state-based public health orders, to be vaccinated against COVID-19. It varies from state to state, but generally, aged care workers, quarantine workers, some transportation and airport workers and some health care workers fall into this category. Some states already have these public health orders in place, others intend to do so by mid-September. Prime Minister Scott Morrison insists there will not be an expansion of mandatory vaccinations beyond those specific roles. "We do not have a mandatory vaccination policy in this country," he said last week. "We do not have that. We are not proposing to have that. That is not changing." Vaccination can also be mandatory if it has been agreed to as part of an enterprise bargaining agreement or other work contract. Some health and allied health professionals fall into this category. The third category is where it becomes grey. Employers can "direct" employees to get vaccinated where it is "lawful and reasonable" to do so. What does 'lawful and reasonable' mean? Good question. Ultimately, only a court can answer that. But the FWO is now offering some additional guidance. Previously, it advised the "overwhelming majority of employers should assume they can't" mandate vaccination. But the new advice states that an employer "may in certain circumstances be required to direct employees to get vaccinated" in order to comply with "work health and safety laws". It has outlined four tiers of work to help assess where it might be '"awful and reasonable" to mandate vaccination. 1.Tier 1 work — employees interact with high-risk people (eg border control, hotel quarantine) 2.Tier 2 work — employees interact with vulnerable people (eg health care or aged care workers) 3.Tier 3 work — employees with public interaction (eg. retail workers at essential stores) 4.Tier 4 work — employees with minimal face-to-face interaction Tiers 1 and 2 are likely to be covered by public health orders or workplace contracts. The FWO says it's "unlikely to be reasonable" to make Tier 4 workers get vaccinated. So where does that leave tier 3 workers? If there is no community transmission of coronavirus for some time, mandating vaccination is "less likely to be reasonable" and vice versa. But it must always be determined on a "case-by-case" basis. "The coronavirus pandemic doesn't automatically make it reasonable for employers to direct employees to be vaccinated against the virus," the FWO advises. And employers "must consider their obligations and responsibilities under anti-discrimination laws". It's far from the clarity employers were hoping for. "I think that's been left to individual businesses just to decide," said the Australian Retailers Association chief Paul Zahra. "It hasn't been tested in the law and I don't think most businesses want to be facing litigation, potentially." What say do workers have in all this? Employers are required to work with their staff before changing policies around vaccinations. The updated advice outlines that employers must: Consult with employees and health and safety representatives Give employees and health and safety representatives "reasonable opportunity to express their views" Take into consideration anti-discrimination laws may apply If they do make vaccinations mandatory, employers should cover workers' travel costs and give them paid time off for their vaccination appointments (if they fall in work hours). In most circumstances, workers can not take sick leave to get a vaccination, but the advice from the FWO says there may be some exceptions. However, workers can take paid sick leave if they're unwell after being vaccinated. What if a worker doesn't want to get vaccinated? If you refuse to get vaccinated and you're a tier 1 or 2 worker, employers can ask you why and ask for evidence of why you're refusing. Disciplinary action can be taken, but the FWO notes "employers should not take disciplinary action lightly". If you're vaccinated but one of your colleagues isn't, it's "unlikely" you can refuse to go to work. But only if it's "lawful and reasonable" to compel you to. I'm still not clear... In short: you can do it if it is "lawful and reasonable". To figure out if it is "lawful and reasonable", you need to get legal advice. That may be beyond the means and capacity of many employers, which is why business groups were hoping the federal government would offer legal protection. "It is a failure of national leadership," said Labor frontbencher Catherine King, calling on the Prime Minister to work with businesses and unions to sort out rules for high-risk industries. But with a philosophical objection to mandating medical procedures, the Coalition has no appetite for opening the door to mandatory vaccinations any further.
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Employers can't force employees to do anything, not now anyway, sticking a needle in someone's arm against their will, especially if it's voluntary is assault.
And the ACTU is powerless, a paper tiger that has the roar of a mouse! If ScMo had an ounce of what Bob Hawke had, then there would be no issue, boss of the ACTU in 1969 then Prime Minister in the 80's made him someone who commanded respect, if he said Australians get vaccinated then it's a done deal. This government can't do that, Australians do not respect this government!.....and I don't blame them really. Even the Fair Work Ombudsman has lost its power, workers need leaders not followers! Cheers Billy. |
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N/A all the way
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Out of interest, if we open up everything like you say we should, is there a number of dead people that you think becomes unacceptable in Australia in a year? Even if you think that no one will die, just if you turn out to be wrong, what is that acceptable number?
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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The common cold is a coronavirus, we all get those. For how many years should we lock Australia up? We have had 38k of infections only at this stage. Israel as fully vaxed as they are likely to get just had 6k infections a day with 10mil population but a low 16 deaths Not all countries are the same but using Israel if Vax works to some degree, given they have 6.5k deaths, and we are 2.5x bigger, probably in the region of 10-12k deaths from/with the virus. Last edited by zipping; 13-08-2021 at 10:52 AM. |
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Stop playing with semantics - they are dead either way so there is no difference. The WHO system for determining CoD is being used by most countries so if you really want to understand rather than just troll for the fun of it then go and read their guidelines.
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