Covid 19 -

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Pollies can't tell cops what to do. They set the rules and police enforce it how they best see fit. No different to last year. Haven't heard of anyone getting fined for being in a park not breaking rules.

Sky news tweeted a rumour that choppers were being sent to parks, hovering above telling parents to leave. It turned out to be a lie. VicPol responded to the tweet and they had to delete it. Too many lies being spread.

They provide rules that the police must then enforce.

The police association would not have come out against it if they weren’t being directed to do it by the government. You must be incredibly naive to believe that pollies have no sway in police operations.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www....98b5deed%3famp


Probably behind a paywall, but you can read the first paragraph. Clearly the police were directed to do it.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

They provide rules that the police must then enforce.

The police association would not have come out against it if they weren’t being directed to do it by the government. You must be incredibly naive to believe that pollies have no sway in police operations.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www....98b5deed%3famp


Probably behind a paywall, but you can read the first paragraph. Clearly the police were directed to do it.

Full agreeance, far from being independent from political persuasion or direction.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

My prediction: regional Vic will be in lockdown by this time next week.

I also did say in post #13593 Vicgov will struggle to contain it, it was only matter of time before this spreads to country Vic and I would go further to say Victoria will be in lockdown more than what people think.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

They provide rules that the police must then enforce.

The police association would not have come out against it if they weren’t being directed to do it by the government. You must be incredibly naive to believe that pollies have no sway in police operations.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www....98b5deed%3famp


Probably behind a paywall, but you can read the first paragraph. Clearly the police were directed to do it.

Yeh behind a paywall, but Herald Sun, see what I said about Sky News / News Corp below. Maybe I am naive that way, but if people are scared to go to a park, which is allowed, because police are patrolling, then they should probably be more selective where they get their news.

I have heard the police commissioner say they are exercising their own judgement despite what gov may want. Lets see how many fines come from parks. I bet very little, unless large groups are blatantly ignoring rules.

Originally Posted by Itsme

I also did say in post #13593 Vicgov will struggle to contain it, it was only matter of time before this spreads to country Vic and I would go further to say Victoria will be in lockdown more than what people think.

Yeh its looking that way. I haven't been following the pressers. Do they say why there are so many people not isolating when infectious? Is it rule breakers? essential workers? or?

Heard something about harsher restrictions might be coming...what else can they do? ADF on the streets? Permit to leave home? 1km limit?

Some good news at least that vaccinations seems to be chugging along.

[Warrenk]

SPC and Qantas to make covid vaccinations compulsory to work for them, now event organisers are doing the same. A stert of things to come across Australia.

Big Red Bash, Mundi Mundi Bash to require COVID-19 vaccination for 2022 events

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-...gTI9qEgYrk2JEI

[naddis01]

Originally Posted by naddis01

The ABC are reporting a confirmed case here in Broken Hill today. They have been infectious in the community in Broken Hill and Wilcannia. So no doubt there will be more to come in the next few days for western NSW.

Well three days later and we have 10 cases in Wilcannia and 2 in Broken Hill.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

My prediction: regional Vic will be in lockdown by this time next week.

Shepparton cases grown by 7. Vic Pol have said they don't support the ring of steel, and so far gov has resisted in setting one up.

Looks like Vic Gov may have backed themselves into a corner. If they set one up it will tick off Vic Pol. If they don't, it would be a slightly hypocritical given what has been said about Sydney.

[FTE217]

Is there a country in the world, well lets talk a relative one with good population (not a backwater island or something with a handful of people) maintaining 0 covid and managed doing so for a long time since ?
Let the google searchs come in.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by FTE217

Is there a country in the world, well lets talk a relative one with good population (not a backwater island or something with a handful of people) maintaining 0 covid and managed doing so for a long time since ?
Let the google searchs come in.

North Korea, population 26m

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

North Korea, population 26m

not worth a bow and no gold star, a free world one son......western society.

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by FTE217

Is there a country in the world, well lets talk a relative one with good population (not a backwater island or something with a handful of people) maintaining 0 covid and managed doing so for a long time since ?
Let the google searchs come in.

New Zealand

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by Work Horse

New Zealand

He said no backwater island or something with a handful of people, though that may count Australia out too.!!

[MITCHAY]

A big factor in how we manage Covid in comparison to NZ is that we have a federal government and also the state and territory government. Over there whatever Cindy says goes. Scomo would love to have that power for better or worse but he doesn't. Numerous challenges have been upheld in court.

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by tweeked

He said no backwater island or something with a handful of people, though that may count Australia out too.!!

He wants to compare Australia's response so; countries like New Zealand are obvious.

We don't need to look overseas WA has done it, Tassie; SA has done OK, Canberra up until resonantly. In fact it's just the East coast that’s fecked up.

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by Work Horse

He wants to compare Australia's response so; countries like New Zealand are obvious.

We don't need to look overseas WA has done it, Tassie; SA has done OK, Canberra up until resonantly. In fact it's just the East coast that’s fecked up.

I would contend that both WA and NZ are similar. Melbourne and Sydney are each larger than either of them in an tiny area in comparison. WA and NZ's programs and responses are not realistic in "World" cities.

Compare the Vic and NSW results with anywhere comparable and they actually look incredibly good. Good old Australia always pulls out the "knock ourselves down" mentality. I have been guilty about it with covid. Sure we messed some thing up, but as a whole, even right now, compared to other places of commercial importance we have actually done an amazing job.

If we hit the line hard with the vaccinations we would have one of the best results in the world.

[MITCHAY]

The funny part is we twist ourselves into knots about our response but when you look outside Australia the states have done very well.

My thinking is that the only thing you get from looking back is a sore neck. Yes there have been issues but no point focusing on that but keep it moving. Solve the issues and do the finger pointing later.

As long as we keep the supply and vaccination rate up we should hit our targets in November in time for Christmas. All we need is for the premiers to be on the same page.

That's not so bad considering the issues we have had.

Got my Phizer shot today, next one in 3 weeks.


I feel fine and i didn't even feel the needle...

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by tweeked

I would contend that both WA and NZ are similar. Melbourne and Sydney are each larger than either of them in an tiny area in comparison. WA and NZ's programs and responses are not realistic in "World" cities.

Compare the Vic and NSW results with anywhere comparable and they actually look incredibly good. Good old Australia always pulls out the "knock ourselves down" mentality. I have been guilty about it with covid. Sure we messed some thing up, but as a whole, even right now, compared to other places of commercial importance we have actually done an amazing job.

If we hit the line hard with the vaccinations we would have one of the best results in the world.

Well I think we are in fierce agreement!

FYI, Population densities

Victoria 25 per klm
New Zealand 18 per klm
NSW 8 per klm

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

The funny part is we twist ourselves into knots about our response but when you look outside Australia the states have done very well.

My thinking is that the only thing you get from looking back is a sore neck. Yes there have been issues but no point focusing on that but keep it moving. Solve the issues and do the finger pointing later.

As long as we keep the supply and vaccination rate up we should hit our targets in November in time for Christmas. All we need is for the premiers to be on the same page.

That's not so bad considering the issues we have had.

When we get our vaccination rate up to 80% across Australia I don't think lockdowns or border closures will cease; wait and see.
The Feds want to open up but those damn state premiers are the ones I don't trust.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Yeh behind a paywall, but Herald Sun, see what I said about Sky News / News Corp below. Maybe I am naive that way, but if people are scared to go to a park, which is allowed, because police are patrolling, then they should probably be more selective where they get their news.

I have heard the police commissioner say they are exercising their own judgement despite what gov may want. Lets see how many fines come from parks. I bet very little, unless large groups are blatantly ignoring rules.




Yeh its looking that way. I haven't been following the pressers. Do they say why there are so many people not isolating when infectious? Is it rule breakers? essential workers? or?

Heard something about harsher restrictions might be coming...what else can they do? ADF on the streets? Permit to leave home? 1km limit?

Some good news at least that vaccinations seems to be chugging along.

Blame the herald sun as much as you want, but the comments come direct from the police association. But you can’t help but continually defend dan andrews. You’ve done it this whole thread.

And they won’t fine people at parks now, cause of the backlash towards dan when he directed the police to patrol parks. I’m sure you’ll find a way to brush that over as well though.

Over 200 days of lockdown. Well done dan andrews.

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by Itsme

When we get our vaccination rate up to 80% across Australia I don't think lockdowns or border closures will cease; wait and see.
The Feds want to open up but those damn state premiers are the ones I don't trust.

Yep that's what I meant by the premiers and CMs being on the same page. We have a national cabinet but obviously any decisions are not binding on the members.

They all supposedly agree and then do their own thing. Covid 0 was never the policy but the states have made it so.

On the flip side there have been a few times Scomo has made announcements that left the premiers and CMs in the dark. For example the expanded Pfizer rollout the other day.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by tweeked

.....
If we hit the line hard with the vaccinations we would have one of the best results in the world.

Depends how we define success. Its clear who has completely ballsed up, but I think we'll only really know who the "successful" ones are in a couple of years time, when you take into account longer term health impact of cases, number of deaths, impact on mental health, and impact to economy.

We are still in the midst of an outbreak, who knows how this will go?
Previous lock downs you could see it working, and there was an end in sight. Its getting harder and harder to see an end to the current ones. The bastards took a gamble, the horse bolted, and now we pay. This has real consequences, if people can't see an end, they lose hope.

I haven't seen one modelling or road map to suggest when these lock downs might end. We seem to be hanging all our hopes on vaccinating our way out of these lock downs, sure we will get there, but when? If we stay locked down like this another 3-6 months then I don't know if we can call that a success. Compare to the likes of HK, has a population density of 7000 persons per sq km, where everyone lives in pigeon hole high rise apartments, have managed it without mass casualties or severe prolonged lock downs.

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Blame the herald sun as much as you want, but the comments come direct from the police association. But you can’t help but continually defend dan andrews. You’ve done it this whole thread.

And they won’t fine people at parks now, cause of the backlash towards dan when he directed the police to patrol parks. I’m sure you’ll find a way to brush that over as well though.

Over 200 days of lockdown. Well done dan andrews.

Directive came from the CHO. But whatever, blame the man, you've done it this whole thread. Hang him for not managing the sydney outbreak better.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Just heard that all community sport in Vic this weekend has been cancelled. Lockdown not far away, unfortunately.

E: and now 17 cases in Shepperton.

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

Just heard that all community sport in Vic this weekend has been cancelled. Lockdown not far away, unfortunately.

E: and now 17 cases in Shepperton.

Welcome to the party, pal! - McClane

[PHANTMXR6]

Originally Posted by TrVrPhiLpsiNdstrys

I feel fine and i didn't even feel the needle...

You sure they jabbed you

[buggerlugs]

[FTE217]

I wouldn't call anything "success" looking ahead more like reprieve to a means or end......
Step by step, it won't be disappearing on its own but how we improve/adapt, learn to live with it via vaccine improvements or as such. (don't forget there will be many not vaxxed, whats to become)......
Come on re NZ, yes they have had breathing space, she runs a island of sub 5M spread north to south, 1.6M in Auckland for eg. Yet NZ had 73 lockdown days.
Heck IF she couldn't keep it together and Tas/WA/NT for that matter seriously there'd be a prob........

Pretty hard to compare the large/r cities but as we know they are the gates to any country.
They all vary in landscape/dwellings but the fact is they are the hives of activity far far more than their outer reachs.
Get away from London you'd feel a little more safer say way north Newcastle right or further north Scotland/Wales.
Boris did nothing much diff, lockdowns and then vax as much as poss and has run the gaunlet, so who can expect seeing any modelling or map to freedom.
Boris just made the call pretty much X date after 207 lockdown days with roughly 9.4M in there.
He and the rest of world have only relied on vax to open.
No other methods really, thats it.
Paris 161 days locked up opened only due to vax etcetcetc.

Want gaurantees ? there isn't one.

Melb say on 5M with 200 odd days locked.
This guy still wants target 0.
Syd little over 5M 106 + coming.

Where do you call success ? what a open question.
They are looked upon as successful having opened up, yet infections keep going and deaths.
Here people want to stick it up NSW the gateway to here, all the main entrys to countrys are responsible go figure, lol seriously.

Who's at fault next once were vaxxed, open up bit by bit But infections will still go up and down and deaths as well.
What will the non vaxxed people do or say and no doubt some vaxxed people will pass away as well.

Originally Posted by PHANTMXR6

You sure they jabbed you

Yes and ?

[buggerlugs]

[MITCHAY]

Same thing can be said about Dan. He's really hitting his straps like he never fell down the stairs