Covid 19 -

[FTE217]

tweeked, spot on.
Its like saying who would have thought getting to the current numbers.
When you least expect it expect it.
We've had a pretty lucky controlled ride until Delta came and blew the door down.
We have been caught up in the bubble of 0 and between them all running the show at the Frontline (mainly big bad Sydney) steered on the same path.
McGowan over the weekend we should persist on maintaining the 0 directive and bagging Glady or whoever would be in power.
Come over here big shot from your isolated haven and lets see you at the Frontline performing.
Every single frontline leader/cho would get caught out no matter how good they think they are, you also can't get through a % of the rank and file.

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by tweeked

I think we are all soft from being so protected from real outbreaks. We are all in for a rude awakening when we all put our big boy pants on and try to live a normal life

Excellent post.

People need to take some personal responsibility with regard to the situation, there’s plenty of information out there about what helps contribute to serious negative or fatal outcomes relating to Covid infection in regard to nutrition and overall health/activity level.

If people aren’t preparing themselves and their family vaxxed or not for the post lockdown periods they have their head in the sand.

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

The stress point is not the beds and ventilators, you need people to run them. 10,000 cases a day might be manageable if you started with 30 (as per modelling, which seems unrealistically low), but 10,000 might be unmanageable if you started with 1000 - 3000 new cases per day.

Victoria increased their ICU capacity by 4 folds during wave 2, but it's been said they won't have enough people to run them at full capacity. So what's the point? We could probably draw on other states to help if needed, that's if there are no outbreaks there.

Me and my immediate family have been doubled jabbed now for some weeks. I'm ready to open up. I'm in full agreement with you we can't hide forever.

You are correct, but it begs the question, why even bother setting up that many beds if you cannot man them? Who does that? Probably had their numbers done by the smart people at the Doherty Institute.

If we don't get on the bandwagon of rapid testing now, so that we can get good at it now and keep them manned as best as possible, we will stuff this up.

Of course our CHO keeps dodging rapid testing as it is not as good as PCR. We all know that, but it will be required. We need to start testing hospital staff each day, (and patients too - like the guy from Shepparton)

[slowsnake]

We have a Qld company Ellume Health who manufacture " rapid antigen test kits" but don't think approved here, but overseas sales have gone crazy, even the FDA in USA approved it in December 2020?

Why is ScoMo dragging the chain there, think it's a 15 minute test, nothing like PCR test times, it's a bit of a joke it seems, and what is behind denying it here?


Cheers Billy

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

Why is ScoMo dragging the chain there,

Cheers Billy

They haven't paid the Correct Lobby Organization... Yet....

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by Pis-ton broke

i think its a good idea, we have a group of men coming from bankstown , auburn areas out to picton area, and they openly say they don,t care. these types need responsibly and care of others to be bashed into there thick skulls, hopefully the police will get them. my friend did ring the police weeks back and they said to ring crime stoppers, so she did and was put on hold, she ended hanging up after a while waiting. she was unable to report it.

I can’t see night curfews stopping that though. The people who don’t care will continue to not care.
From what I can tell the only difference between day and night restrictions is no exercise at night and no essential shopping at night.
Those things are usually not done between 9pm and 5am anyway so therefore the curfew does very little if anything at all.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

We have a Qld company Ellume Health who manufacture " rapid antigen test kits" but don't think approved here, but overseas sales have gone crazy, even the FDA in USA approved it in December 2020?

Why is ScoMo dragging the chain there, think it's a 15 minute test, nothing like PCR test times, it's a bit of a joke it seems, and what is behind denying it here?


Cheers Billy

Me mate in London went on a cruise last week. Rapid test for everybody before boarding. 30 mins. Cost of the test is tacked on to the price of the ticket. I think its close to 150 pounds. Ouch! Gov recently had to reduce the cost of their own mandated rapid tests as there was a big outcry. It'll come here in time.....$$$

Edit (read it wrong). The false positive error rate is still quite high. As a vaccinated individual, I'd hate to be forced into isolation or be prevented from doing something because the false positive detection rate is 50%.

https://www.healthline.com/health/ho...-rapid-testing

"In another study Trusted Source published in April 2021, researchers compared the accuracy of four types of COVID-19 rapid antigen tests. The researchers found that all four tests correctly identified a positive COVID-19 case about half the time and correctly identified a negative COVID-19 case almost all the time."

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Me mate in London went on a cruise last week. Rapid test for everybody before boarding. 30 mins. Cost of the test is tacked on to the price of the ticket. I think its close to 150 pounds. Ouch! Gov recently had to reduce the cost of their own mandated rapid tests as there was a big outcry. It'll come here in time.....$$$

Edit (read it wrong). The false positive error rate is still quite high. As a vaccinated individual, I'd hate to be forced into isolation or be prevented from doing something because the false positive detection rate is 50%.

https://www.healthline.com/health/ho...-rapid-testing

"In another study Trusted Source published in April 2021, researchers compared the accuracy of four types of COVID-19 rapid antigen tests. The researchers found that all four tests correctly identified a positive COVID-19 case about half the time and correctly identified a negative COVID-19 case almost all the time."

Get a positive immediately get a PCR test.....If it was wrong you find out next day. No false negatives that is the important one. Sounds like a no brainer to me.

Not sure on the price you have there - Aldi in Germany sells them for 25 euro and there is 5 in a pack, I think the cruise company is charging plenty for the "admin" of the tests.

https://www.thelocal.de/20210304/wha...ovid-19-tests/

[MITCHAY]

19 yesterday and 16 today in the ACT. Total 137.

[Citroënbender]

19 yesterday and 16 today in the ACT. Total 137.

That haircut could be just a couple of weeks away.

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For the “perpetually” or frequently locked down on here, what’s the first thing you will (or plan to!) do when lessened restrictions allow it?

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

That haircut could be just a couple of weeks away.

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For the “perpetually” or frequently locked down on here, what’s the first thing you will (or plan to!) do when lessened restrictions allow it?

Yeah my mum offered to cut it yesterday. I said nah I want something to look forward to

[Mont5.0]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Yeah my mum offered to cut it yesterday. I said nah I want something to look forward to

last time my mum cut my hair she gave me a bowl cut! i was 7.

that was back in '82

[ford71V8]

Bay to Birdwood has been canned

[JasonACT]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

That haircut could be just a couple of weeks away.

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For the “perpetually” or frequently locked down on here, what’s the first thing you will (or plan to!) do when lessened restrictions allow it?

I cut my own hair. Sometimes people notice and say, "had a haircut?" and I say "yeah, I did it myself" and they look confused. Once a guy said "let me see the back" and followed up with "hmm, good work".

I've been doing it for 15 years, it should be good by now, it's always got some length too, and I don't have to deal with what someone else thinks I want. Lockdown shmockdown, I'm having a haircut next weekend.

[CoupeKing]

Good cause, bring back the Italiians that can cut your hair.

[Citroënbender]

I go to an old Greek barber, he’s nearly eighty and talks about “this Covid nonsense”. Makes everyone follow the rules for masks and signing in, but you know where his opinion lies. It’s actually one of the experiences I miss in lockdown, he’s like a surrogate uncle.

[oldel]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Me and my immediate family have been doubled jabbed now for some weeks. I'm ready to open up. I'm in full agreement with you we can't hide forever.

*sigh*
It's all been for nothing hasn't it? All these lock downs, fear, delays and debates. Going to be the same result in the end.
Last year the original wuhan strain and others killed many 80+ year olds and 60+ with comorbidities and we only delayed the inevitable, because even with vaccination it seems it's not good enough as the same people are going to die sometime next year anyway.
The vaccines don't prevent spread, the country wants to open up and has too, delta doesn't care while the vaccines wane against it after 6 months so covid gets to who is vulnerable anyway.
Oh well.

So many delusional out there that cite the low fatality rate or think overseas is not bad doesn't understand the price elsewhere had already paid and the knock on effect once hospitals get full (heart attack or car crash people lose quick response, staff knocked out and so on)
Again, oh well, nout ya can do :(

[JasonACT]

[russellw]

As usual the mixed messages from our various Governments are proving to be a cause for concern.

Thanks to Scomo mouthing off about making Pfizer available to the under 40's, we've had 10k people cancel their vaccination appointments (Victoria) in order to get that instead. All that will do is slow down the roll-out and further delay whatever freedom is at the end of this road.

Then we have WA, SA and perhaps Queesnland still aiming for the holy grail of zero cases in the community; Victoria fence sitting a bit and NSW saying they'll open up as early as they can and damn the consequences.

Simple maths really. If NSW reaches 70% of the adult population vaccinated that leaves about 1.99M adults unvaccinated plus a further 1.54M under 15's not vaccinated. At 80% the numbers become 1.327M adults and the same 1.54M under 15's.

Even working on the latter, using the current hospitalisation / mortality rates and assuming that only adults need hospital care (which is not necessarily the case) that is a potential 101,000 hospital admissions of which 17,225 would require intensive care and more than 15k would die.

On that basis, the only question is the rate at which those infections occur given that eventually we expect most people to be exposed and how well the hospital system copes with that rate.

Not sure I'd like to try that one on with the Delta variant frankly.

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by tweeked

Get a positive immediately get a PCR test.....If it was wrong you find out next day. No false negatives that is the important one. Sounds like a no brainer to me.

Not sure on the price you have there - Aldi in Germany sells them for 25 euro and there is 5 in a pack, I think the cruise company is charging plenty for the "admin" of the tests.

https://www.thelocal.de/20210304/wha...ovid-19-tests/

Just returned from Mexico City for our 90 day Visa run (again!)
Outside Mex airport terminal, most of the major airlines have a Rapid antigen test facility… The test result is 15mins and costs 550 pesos (US$25)
Can’t comment on what it involves as we don’t need to have a test to get back into Costa Rica… What I did have a giggle about is each of these temporary test facilities are right smack bang between the outdoor smoking areas. So there are people queued up for their rapid tests puffing away…

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by russellw

As usual the mixed messages from our various Governments are proving to be a cause for concern.

Thanks to Scomo mouthing off about making Pfizer available to the under 40's, we've had 10k people cancel their vaccination appointments (Victoria) in order to get that instead. All that will do is slow down the roll-out and further delay whatever freedom is at the end of this road.

Then we have WA, SA and perhaps Queesnland still aiming for the holy grail of zero cases in the community; Victoria fence sitting a bit and NSW saying they'll open up as early as they can and damn the consequences.

Simple maths really. If NSW reaches 70% of the adult population vaccinated that leaves about 1.99M adults unvaccinated plus a further 1.54M under 15's not vaccinated. At 80% the numbers become 1.327M adults and the same 1.54M under 15's.

Even working on the latter, using the current hospitalisation / mortality rates and assuming that only adults need hospital care (which is not necessarily the case) that is a potential 101,000 hospital admissions of which 17,225 would require intensive care and more than 15k would die.

On that basis, the only question is the rate at which those infections occur given that eventually we expect most people to be exposed and how well the hospital system copes with that rate.

If governments are able to better pivot their messages from “hide and trust nobody” to “support our medical people” it might engender a supportive community response on par with the worst bushfire seasons. Vaccine hesitancy and snobbery has been an utter disaster in Australia - enough time has passed that side effects have shown themselves and our medics respond adeptly.

My experiences so far of the Covid era include one direct fatality (mate’s father in NYC, fifteen months ago), three “Covid-safe” Sydney funerals (two friends, one family) and late last week a friend’s niece slipped through the cracks of her state’s mental health support while they remained distracted by that “holy grail”. And all the while I’m painfully conscious of people in situations like my terminally ill mate; the clock’s tick relentlessly metering their loss of chances to live more while everyone chirrups “stay safe” at each other like budgies in a cage.

Another retired friend was three weeks ago denied permission to leave Sydney indefinitely and support her paramedic son and daughter-in-law in a large regional town despite the workload on those staff increasing substantially with extra protocols. You can’t help but feel the NSW government for one, is throwing the baby out with the bathwater - their decisions riven by factional appeasement. That and the bluff hand both they and the Victorian governments have normalised, are greatly disappointing.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by oldel

Last year the original wuhan strain and others killed many 80+ year olds and 60+ with comorbidities and we only delayed the inevitable, because even with vaccination it seems it's not good enough as the same people are going to die sometime next year anyway.

The vaccines don't prevent spread, the country wants to open up and has too, delta doesn't care while the vaccines wane against it after 6 months so covid gets to who is vulnerable anyway.

Oh well.

Looking at the cases vs deaths graph for countries with 50%+ vaccinated, it looks like it's working. 70% of eligible adults here is roughly 50% of the population.

We will get there, just a matter of when. US FDA just fully approved Pfizer, and I wonder if that will affect supply further.

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by JasonACT

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Nice touch, my cover seems from memory to be different graphics, but ain't seen my Vinyl for 25 years, at my sisters house Lemongrove Sydney, smack bang in the middle of a covid hotspot I think.
I feel sorry for anyone in lockdown anywhere, not just Australia!

I saw
Led Zeppelin live in Sydney in 1974 I think at SCG from memory, $4 a ticket, they were condemned in the press for being the loudest band to play in Australia.

PS :- my favourite song of theirs is "Kashmir", and Dazed and Confused live!

Cheers a Billy

[russellw]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Looking at the cases vs deaths graph for countries with 50%+ vaccinated, it looks like it's working. 70% of eligible adults here is roughly 50% of the population.

I'm not arguing with your logic given that the countries I've been watching seem to have a CMR about 1/3rd of ours (0.43% v 1.16%) but in some cases the hospitalisation rates amongst the unvaccinated are a bit higher than our ~7% and that was the point I was making.

If we can manage to open up with a phased approach and avoid the disaster that is Florida at the moment where the health system hasn't been able to cope and ICU utilisation is already above 90% despite their high vaccination levels.

[slowsnake]

I have asked this question before but not one answer, how do the worlds Navies survive this rotten virus when they live in such closeted environments!

China, Russia, USA, Britain, Australia and New Zealand?...
What have they got, protection wise that other non military shipping does not!


Cheers Billy

[HIPO]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

I have asked this question before but not one answer, how do the worlds Navies survive this rotten virus when they live in such closeted environments!

China, Russia, USA, Britain, Australia and New Zealand?...
What have they got, protection wise that other non military shipping does not!


Cheers Billy

alternate meds??

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by HIPO

alternate meds??

Must be all that vitamin C

Otherwise they would have pretty strict protocols I would suggest, DJR-351 would have some insight. Also stay out of sea away from zombies would help.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

I have asked this question before but not one answer, how do the worlds Navies survive this rotten virus when they live in such closeted environments!

China, Russia, USA, Britain, Australia and New Zealand?...
What have they got, protection wise that other non military shipping does not!


Cheers Billy

Your own theory should answer this. They're not near any airports or flight paths for the virus to fall on them.

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

Your own theory should answer this. They're not near any airports or flight paths for the virus to fall on them.

What if my theory is correct?
I asked the question because we have yet another ship in Port here in WA full of sick sailors?
16 of 19 crew covid positive I think, obviously they were sick with corona virus when they signed on, maybe knowing Australia would support them on humanitarian grounds, in reality to protect our country!
And they stay away from commercial ports, so locals won't throw rocks at them or worse!

If we do get the corona virus here it will be through our ports not by road or air.


Cheers Billy

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by HIPO

alternate meds??

How about " alternate vaccine ".....ever given that any thought?


Cheers Billy