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08-09-2018, 03:30 PM | #1381 | ||
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08-09-2018, 03:34 PM | #1382 | ||
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My Ranger also has only one turbo.
Wanna bet? Remaps make quite a difference
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Bax. Current Vehicles RA Wildtrak V6, UA2 Everest Trend 2.0lt Last edited by RANGEREST; 08-09-2018 at 04:00 PM. |
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08-09-2018, 03:43 PM | #1383 | ||
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08-09-2018, 03:44 PM | #1384 | |||
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If you are buying a Ranger to be a Blacktop warrior, then stick to the XLT/Wildrak and save the $$$$. No use siting here whinging about something that we cant have (Ranger with the Ecoboost or whatever) over and over and over and over and over again... You want more engine options for ranger? Speak to Ford about it, talk to your dealer, talk to Ford themselves.. Tell them what you want from the next major Ranger update.. Otherwise, buy an F150 Raptor from a Grey Importer and have a blast...
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08-09-2018, 03:48 PM | #1385 | |||
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If anything, the Colorado came away with a black eye.... |
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08-09-2018, 03:49 PM | #1386 | |||
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Last edited by Raptor; 08-09-2018 at 05:31 PM. Reason: You're not using that type of language in this section of the forum. |
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08-09-2018, 03:55 PM | #1387 | |||
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to a few B series Falcons So the original Raptor was criticized for not being much better than the XLT 5.4, ditto for the 6.2 V8 and the 6.2 XLT The criticism of Raptor engines didn't start with Ranger..... We also don't know what these guys had to do to get this vehicle over the line. My "guess" is that it had to have program engines (no outside sourced V engines) 2.3 EB came along well after lock in, so wasn't even a chance. Last edited by Raptor; 08-09-2018 at 05:32 PM. Reason: Quoted post modified |
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08-09-2018, 06:24 PM | #1388 | |||
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But as they say at the end, it's all a bit of fun. a V8 supercar loses a drag race against a stock car you can buy from the showroom too, it's all about using the cars as designed, and I don't recall Ford ever suggesting this is a vehicle for the drag strip. |
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08-09-2018, 06:37 PM | #1389 | |||
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I accept the Larambie is too big for an everyday car for the likes of yourself, that's an issue that you need help with. There are plenty of folk with the competence to have one as a daily driver. As the article states, every order is pre sold.
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08-09-2018, 06:56 PM | #1390 | ||
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Right, so what you're saying is that Raptor would perform better against Colorado if it had a bigger engine...hadn't thought of that
I was of the impression that an extra turbo and 4 more gears more than accounted for its milk bottle capacity.. |
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08-09-2018, 07:03 PM | #1391 | |||
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more weight and a more efficient engine, that still escapes you.. Raptor actually lead the second more realistic test but let's not add confusion... Most RRs will probably be leased by people with access to novated leases. and if Raptor swipes a few Wildtrack sales that's still OK because Ford still comes out on top. So consider this a three year deal, a get through to the next gen Ranger when some of the perceived "wrongs" will be put right... Last edited by jpd80; 08-09-2018 at 07:13 PM. |
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08-09-2018, 07:11 PM | #1392 | ||
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08-09-2018, 07:14 PM | #1393 | ||
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Imagine the conversation in a few years time when people come to upgrade..
Customer-'Hey im looking to trade my Raptor in on a new one' Salesman-'Is that the current spec model?' Customer-'No its the 2.0l without AEB' Salesman-'Oh, its that one, sorry, people want the better one...' |
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08-09-2018, 07:16 PM | #1394 | |||
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08-09-2018, 07:17 PM | #1395 | |||
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Laramie buyers may well have the competence to drive one, (as I believe I do) but they wont find a multi storey or shopping cente carpark that they'll fit in
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08-09-2018, 07:18 PM | #1396 | ||
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08-09-2018, 07:36 PM | #1397 | ||
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Not everyone live in cities with multi storey car parks. I hope they sell well which leads to factory RHD.
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08-09-2018, 08:41 PM | #1401 | ||
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I don't agree with everything everyone else says either, but that doesn't make them idiots. it just makes them different. we are all individuals with different viewpoints and opinions. This is just a forum where people can discuss cars.
nothing more, nothing less. I can't be sure Raptor in its current form will be a long term success here, but its a start, and the order books are apparently doing ok, and its probably costing Ford next to nothing extra to ship them here. Will people want more in the future? Possibly, but lets wait and see. I also don't think many will be used for their intended purpose. They are just a different vehicle that stands out a bit, and has a lot of the usual mods covered by full factory warranty. There are many cars on the road that never see their intended playground, but that's the beauty of choice. I think its a pretty cool car but i'll never buy one. I may one day have an Everest with the same running gear, but that's a long way off considering I've only just bought my territory. i'm not put off by the capacity because the numbers that matter are pretty good. F1 cars are 1.6L (although they do have battery also) but even prior to the turbo era they had rather small capacity. Power and torque, and where they are developed in the rev range, are what matter.
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08-09-2018, 10:52 PM | #1402 | |||
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Turns out, it's even slower off-road, so I don't know what the reasoning is for calling it a performance vehicle at all. If it's not a performance vehicle on-road, there's no logical reason that it would tranform into one off-road. A performance vehicle needs performance, something the Ranger Raptor does not have. By all accounts it's a very good off-road vehicle, but calling it a performance vehicle in any environment is just marketing BS. Terms like "Baja inspired" and "race ready" make it sound fast, but any other vehicle that enters the Baja 1000 would run rings around it. Why? Because they are genuine off-road performance vehicles. The Ranger Raptor is an off-road vehicle minus the performance.
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08-09-2018, 11:15 PM | #1403 | ||
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That's a pretty childish response to a perfectly reasonable question.
Just because others don't share your opinion doesn't make them idiots. Resorting to childish insults? Well that reflects more on you then anyone else. |
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08-09-2018, 11:46 PM | #1404 | |||
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A true off road circuit would get that point across. |
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09-09-2018, 06:27 AM | #1405 | ||
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Sure, a 2.0l isn't performance in anything but a hatchback, but 0-100 is not the only measure of a vehicle. (Surprising, I know)
I get that the only racing most people do is drag racing. And I know being the first person to hit the next red light is very important to a lot of people, but it's actually okay for Ford to make cars that do other things. So, we saw in the video the Ranger Raptor did a quarter mile in 17.9 seconds. A Baja trophy truck would beat that. (In fact does beat that. The RWD 800hp baja truck went 13.20) A F150 Raptor? I mean, they have REAL performance, right? 15.95 Same people did a Boss 302 mustang and got 12.95 But hang on. This 800hp custom built race truck is slower than a shop bought Mustang? They call that performance? Even around a race track the Mustang beat the trophy truck. But hurtling through the desert at well over 100? Sure, the Ranger Raptor isn't going to keep up with a race ready trophy truck on a baja circuit. But I sure as **** reckon it'll beat a Mustang. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puD63EwwFqg |
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09-09-2018, 08:12 AM | #1406 | |||
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you do remember how the Aussie Barra I-6 was a near match for it's performance in B Series Falcons....now imagine it in an F150 Raptor. So the precedent for calling Raptors performance vehicles while having a near standard engine was set nearly eight years ago. We might not like it but it's what Ford has presented for sale for the next three years. As i see it, most of these Ranger Raptors will be leased and handed back in three years time. The people who will be signing up for these leases are going in eyes open and know what this vehicle is and what it can and cannot do, it is for them to decide whether it's good or not. I understand that some here have an agenda to challenge Ford at every turn on the use of "performance" as a marketing tool on vehicles that would seem unworthy. That may be the case but I don't think any good will come from sour grapes on Raptor, The conversation has to be far more sophisticated and better targeted at people who can make change. The best way to get Ford's attention is to lease a Raptor or Mustang and then tell them what you would prefer to see, Ford can't hear you if you don't buy their products. Equally, if you're part of an enthuiast group and have purchased a new Ford in recent years and you're really serious about buying a certain type of vehicle, organize a petition to Ford Last edited by jpd80; 09-09-2018 at 08:38 AM. |
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09-09-2018, 10:51 AM | #1407 | ||
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I believe, when the RR is released with a Petrol engine, we'll be all here still reading complaints about how poor the fuel econ is, why didn't they increase the tank size, the seating position is to high, the panels don't align, and it's not a flacon ute LOL
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09-09-2018, 10:59 AM | #1409 | ||
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I believe a lot of the opposition is with the use of the Raptor name, rather than coming from Ford Performance.
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09-09-2018, 11:08 AM | #1410 | ||
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No, but unfortunately it seems to keep repeating like a broken one
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