US Elections - Boring or Important to Aust? - Page 49

Peterwl · 13-03-2017, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by marty351

Arnie can't be pres.
Must be born in the U.S.A.

Yes, you are right.

BUT, the Democrats have recent form for ignoring where a President was born.

mcflux · 13-03-2017, 04:56 PM

Peterwl if you can't provide a straight answer, the least you can do is refrain from insulting the questioner.

As for your Democratic nom. form statement, that's ridiculous as it violates the constitution. You should also stick to posting the truth rather than fake news.

Your latest posts, amongst others, don't make you appear very authoritative on the subject.

**cs123** · 13-03-2017, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mcflux

Peterwl if you can't provide a straight answer, the least you can do is refrain from insulting the questioner.

As for your Democratic nom. form statement, that's ridiculous as it violates the constitution. You should also stick to posting the truth rather than fake news.

Your latest posts, amongst others, don't make you appear very authoritative on the subject.

This is the world we live in now.

Trump went along with the birther movement while it was convenient. He has backed away from that now, but other seem to still hang onto it.

Using a private email address was bad when Clinton did it. Not so bad when a republican did it.

The employment stats were fake when Obama was in office, they are real now.

It goes on and on...

Peterwl · 13-03-2017, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mcflux

Mr McGreg?

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A really in depth riveting post this !

We are all some much better informed !

mcflux · 13-03-2017, 05:25 PM

Did my post insult anyone, dodge a direct question, or spread fake news?

Nope.

Do my posts address the correct person?

Yep.

Mercury Bullet · 13-03-2017, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by mcflux

Peterwl if you can't provide a straight answer, the least you can do is refrain from insulting the questioner.

As for your Democratic nom. form statement, that's ridiculous as it violates the constitution. You should also stick to posting the truth rather than fake news.

Your latest posts, amongst others, don't make you appear very authoritative on the subject.

Standard fare for the extreme right isn't it?

Lies and insults.

No more info incoming from Trump re the wiretapping episode. I think his time limit is up where he has to put up or shut up??
Anyone believe he will retract his statement?
I don't, his ego won't allow it.

Mercury Bullet · 13-03-2017, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Rodp

So what sources should we pay attention to?

Breitbart and Fox apparently.

The purveyors of real news. Or is that knews?

nuthin' fancy · 13-03-2017, 05:58 PM

Trump is simply bringing people down to his level and beating them with experience.

Americans aren't very outward looking. Speak to them about making America a better place for Americans and you speak to the 90% who cannot see beyond its shores.

He has always understood exactly who his audience was and speaks directly to them.

As a leader he is hopelessly flawed but as a politician, he is far better than I gave him credit for.

He is the climate change of leaders, the longer the world waits to do something, the harder it will be to get back to where we are.

Trump can't last but can always boast that he was elected President.

Peterwl · 13-03-2017, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Peterwl

A really in depth riveting post this !

We are all some much better informed !

You only insulted peoples inteligence and gave other poster's an impression of yours.

Please another "in depth" analysis of US politics required, and spare us the cartoons, they are not even funny !

mcflux · 13-03-2017, 06:33 PM

Peterwl, my "in-depth" analysis:

Trump is 50-odd days in.
He's alienated Intelligence.
He's gotten rid of a ton of bipartisan people (ok this has happened before), as well as either having gotten rid of personnel he'd hand-picked or hand-picked personnel fell on their swords as dodgy dealings unravelled (these are highly unusual if not unprecedented).
He's on mysteriously friendly terms with Russia, a traditional adversary of the US whilst turning his back on alliances the US had built up over decades (ie NATO)
Possibly in relation to this he has/had advisers/administration personnel who are "close" with Moscow.
There are allegations hanging over him regarding his ties with Russia @ the election campaign/results.

There has to be a pee-pee tape.

Rodp · 13-03-2017, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet

Breitbart and Fox apparently.

The purveyors of real news. Or is that knews?

Yeah, quite telling that they don't want to even admit what 'real news' sites are. Make a claim, refuse to provide information, dodge and weave. Just like Trump taught.

Breitbart, co-founded by the current 'Chief Strategist' who is most likely doing most of the lifting for Trump while he's out golfing. Yeah, that's bound to be 'real' and completely unbiased news. Check out Breitbart Spicer interview, it's hilarious.

Infowars is another reputable and 'real news' source that's commonly cited. I mean, you'd want to listen to a source that warned Trump that shape-shifting lizard men will attempt to infiltrate Trump's inner circle. Or that Michelle Obama was really a man that had Joan Rivers killed during a medical procedure for exposing it.

Fox - well, they're falling out of favour now because they're starting to criticise Trump, especially on his replacement to 'Obamacare'. Completely non-partisan. If Obama does something = evil. If Trump does the same thing to an even higher degree = good.

Rodp · 13-03-2017, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Peterwl View Post
A really in depth riveting post this !

We are all some much better informed !

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peterwl

You only insulted peoples inteligence and gave other poster's an impression of yours.

Please another "in depth" analysis of US politics required, and spare us the cartoons, they are not even funny !

You realise you're actually arguing with yourself, here?

Peterwl · 13-03-2017, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mcflux

Peterwl, my "in-depth" analysis:

Trump is 50-odd days in.
He's alienated Intelligence.
He's gotten rid of a ton of bipartisan people (ok this has happened before), as well as either having gotten rid of personnel he'd hand-picked or hand-picked personnel fell on their swords as dodgy dealings unravelled (these are highly unusual if not unprecedented).
He's on mysteriously friendly terms with Russia, a traditional adversary of the US whilst turning his back on alliances the US had built up over decades (ie NATO)
Possibly in relation to this he has/had advisers/administration personnel who are "close" with Moscow.
There are allegations hanging over him regarding his ties with Russia @ the election campaign/results.

There has to be a pee-pee tape.

I will be as polite as possible.

Could you tell us publically about Trumps relation with Russia ?

( CNN reports not accepted )

What was wrong with the election results ?

What the Russians supposedly did in the election is still CLASSIFIED !

The congressional investigation committee has not reported yet, but you know !

I would have thought Obama ( et all ) arming terrorists groups may have been unprecedented ! Should have been impeached for that.

I am all ears !

CoupeKing · 13-03-2017, 06:48 PM

Yeah first 50 days epic fail. Lied to everyone for the last 2 years and now just flies around in Air Force One making trolls faces at the window.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti....html#comments

mcflux · 13-03-2017, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Peterwl

I will be as polite as possible.

Could you tell us publically about Trumps relation with Russia ? Yes.

( CNN reports not accepted )

What was wrong with the election results ? See next line below. Note I said allegations, please read posts properly and make the distinction.

What the Russians supposedly did in the election is still CLASSIFIED !

The congressional investigation committee has not reported yet, but you know !

I would have thought Obama ( et all ) arming terrorists groups may have been unprecedented ! Should have been impeached for that. This has been proven and is not an allegation? Source? CNN accepted.

I am all ears ! I have two ears but the rest of my anatomy is proportionate.

5char

Peterwl · 13-03-2017, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mcflux

5char

You should have said "unsustantiated" allegations, or just plain Fake News !

**cs123** · 13-03-2017, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Peterwl

I will be as polite as possible.

Could you tell us publically about Trumps relation with Russia ?

( CNN reports not accepted )

What was wrong with the election results ?

What the Russians supposedly did in the election is still CLASSIFIED !

The congressional investigation committee has not reported yet, but you know !

I would have thought Obama ( et all ) arming terrorists groups may have been unprecedented ! Should have been impeached for that.

I am all ears !

A good chunk of the report of Russian activity was made public.

Here are some of the key people that Trump surrounds himself with.

Tillerson: Has had relationships (big $$) with Rosneft and Gazprom. More relaxed trade sanctions with Russia will be great for him personally

Flynn: (resigned) Has had ongoing relationships with a number of Russians and Russian organisations. Lied about them. Was caught lying. Latest is that he was in the employ of Turkey while receiving briefings from NSC

Page: In deep with Rosneft and Gazprom. Met the Russian ambassador during the election cycle.

Stone: Self admitted he was in contact with Wikileaks and the person known to be a Russian asset who leaked DNC files.

Manafort: In deep with Russia and the Ukraine. Too much very dodgy stuff to list.

Sessions: Met with the Russian ambassador. Lied about it. Then couldn't remember what was said when caught out. The guy is either lying or has the worst memory in the world. For a senator and now AG to not keep minutes of a meeting is unbelievable.

Trump himself has previously boasted about the Russian money coming into his organisation. Now he has no comment on that. Trump also has a number of people associates that are in business in Russia.

mcflux · 13-03-2017, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Peterwl

You should have said "unsustantiated" allegations, or just plain Fake News !

Ok then, "unsustantiated" alligators.

Peterwl · 13-03-2017, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by cs123

A good chunk of the report of Russian activity was made public.

Here are some of the key people that Trump surrounds himself with.

Tillerson: Has had relationships (big $$) with Rosneft and Gazprom. More relaxed trade sanctions with Russia will be great for him personally

Flynn: (resigned) Has had ongoing relationships with a number of Russians and Russian organisations. Lied about them. Was caught lying. Latest is that he was in the employ of Turkey while receiving briefings from NSC

Page: In deep with Rosneft and Gazprom. Met the Russian ambassador during the election cycle.

Stone: Self admitted he was in contact with Wikileaks and the person known to be a Russian asset who leaked DNC files.

Manafort: In deep with Russia and the Ukraine. Too much very dodgy stuff to list.

Sessions: Met with the Russian ambassador. Lied about it. Then couldn't remember what was said when caught out. The guy is either lying or has the worst memory in the world. For a senator and now AG to not keep minutes of a meeting is unbelievable.

Trump himself has previously boasted about the Russian money coming into his organisation. Now he has no comment on that. Trump also has a number of people associates that are in business in Russia.

So, if all this is true, where is the crime ?

What US law has been breached ?

The US stock market thinks all is OK !

CoupeKing · 13-03-2017, 07:16 PM

Don't forget about the golden shower scandal that BuzzFeed leaked to CNN.

Then this days later. Crying little Beta:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZmq...DQMbvhjxIV-KXQ

mcflux · 13-03-2017, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CoupeKing

Yeah first 50 days epic fail. Lied to everyone for the last 2 years and now just flies around in Air Force One making trolls faces at the window.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti....html#comments

Massive employment boom or continuation of most of the past year? That graph showed continuous growth. Whilst it is good news to see such growth other considerations need to be taken into account: are the wages on the increase? Are the total weekly hours worked on the increase? How many workers are undocumented immigrants?

Also that $1 Trillion funding request for all the new jobs is a rather expensive venture, hopefully it pays off.

**cs123** · 13-03-2017, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Peterwl

So, if all this is true, where is the crime ?

What US law has been breached ?

I suppose that is for the US congress to determine.

The thought lying about a BJ was a big deal (Clinton), so this would be of the charts.

For starters

Sessions - perjury. Lied to Congress in his confirmation.

Flynn - Working as a foreign agent while receiving intelligence briefings. Failing to declare he was working for a foreign country.

Stone. Possibly implicit in assisting with the hacking.

If Trump or his associates knew of the Russian activity and co-ordinated efforts with them. Then I'd say there would be some law they have broken wrt interfering with an election?

I think it will be difficult to get to the bottom of it because so far the GOP isn't allowing an independent commission to investigate, meaning they get to control it to some extent.

Rodp · 13-03-2017, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Peterwl

So, if all this is true, where is the crime ?

What US law has been breached ?

Several counts of treason and at least one count of perjury?

Peterwl · 13-03-2017, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rodp

Several counts of treason and at least one count of perjury?

Great, so the trial dates have been set, Grand Jury appointed, impeachment proceeding started !

Can you advise ?

Can you post a link to these events ?

Peterwl · 13-03-2017, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by cs123

I suppose that is for the US congress to determine.

The thought lying about a BJ was a big deal (Clinton), so this would be of the charts.

For starters

Sessions - perjury. Lied to Congress in his confirmation.

Flynn - Working as a foreign agent while receiving intelligence briefings. Failing to declare he was working for a foreign country.

Stone. Possibly implicit in assisting with the hacking.

If Trump or his associates knew of the Russian activity and co-ordinated efforts with them. Then I'd say there would be some law they have broken wrt interfering with an election?

I think it will be difficult to get to the bottom of it because so far the GOP isn't allowing an independent commission to investigate, meaning they get to control it to some extent.

Unfortunately you have said nothing.

What you should advise all here is

Which US law has been breached ??

CoupeKing · 13-03-2017, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mcflux

Massive employment boom or continuation of most of the past year? That graph showed continuous growth. Whilst it is good news to see such growth other considerations need to be taken into account: are the wages on the increase? Are the total weekly hours worked on the increase? How many workers are undocumented immigrants?

Also that $1 Trillion funding request for all the new jobs is a rather expensive venture, hopefully it pays off.

Don't know. But I'm sure if any of that job growth were miners or Border Patrol/Ice, they would be on a better wicket than some guy at Burger King/food stamps.

Dow Jones is still at a record high.

This isn't official yet, but the bigger companies are listening now:

http://conservativetribune.com/compa...trump-america/

Rodp · 13-03-2017, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Peterwl

Great, so the trial dates have been set, Grand Jury appointed, impeachment proceeding started !

Can you advise ?

Can you post a link to these events ?

You're all over the place, you asked what laws were breached if what was suggested is all true. Some of these allegations are currently being investigated. Why would a court date be set before you determine whether there's enough evidence to go to trial with? How would any of these allegations be grounds to impeach Trump?

Now, if you're talking about his refusal to divest from his business, that's certainly an angle one can take if we're talking about impeachment. He's already benefited from several of his projects and is in breach of the Emoluments Clause for which a suit has already been filed.

http://www.citizensforethics.org/pre...mp-emoluments/

Peterwl · 13-03-2017, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rodp

Several counts of treason and at least one count of perjury?

Remember, this is what YOU said !

So, again, if he is guilty of these things as YOU say, when do the proceeding start ?

Clearly, this is a fake post / fake news / fake everything, isnt it !

**cs123** · 13-03-2017, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Peterwl

Remember, this is what YOU said !

So, again, if he is guilty of these things as YOU say, when do the proceeding start ?

Clearly, this is a fake post / fake news / fake everything, isnt it !

You get found guilty after

Investigate
Find evidence
Work out if charges can be laid
Work out the chances of successful prosecution
Prosecute

Then...
Guilty/not guilty of charges

We are at step 1,2.
There may not be any further action, there may be.

Peterwl · 13-03-2017, 10:55 PM

Now this should really enlighten us all on wiretapping.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5PgmwKh-eo