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15-09-2021, 03:02 PM | #14911 | |||
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What I am saying is that easing restrictions too much based on 70% or 80% first dose only (as some States are proposing) is madness when the double dose rates are still below 50% in most states except the ACT. In my view, if it needs until the end of October to get to 70% double-vaccinated before we open up gradually then that's what we need to do and even then with the understanding that 70% of those we are counting (16+ age group) is still only 66.4% of the eligible 12+ population and only 56.1% of the total population.
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15-09-2021, 03:10 PM | #14912 | ||
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That's the plan anyway, right?
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15-09-2021, 03:15 PM | #14913 | |||
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15-09-2021, 03:20 PM | #14914 | |||
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Most people know the risks involved and want to return to some normality. |
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15-09-2021, 03:33 PM | #14915 | |||
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https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations I don't think we will ever get to 80% of the entire country. We have way too much youtube and facebook that people believe over doctors to get there. Grattan needs to study that. Most countries have got to 60% reasonably quickly then start to stall from there. Even poster child Israel is less than 70% fully vac'ed We need to bulk up our hospitals, and then it is good luck to those who think they will beat it without a vacc. Most will, but waiting for an unattainable target cannot be the answer. All in my humble opinion of course.
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15-09-2021, 04:36 PM | #14916 | |||
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15-09-2021, 05:01 PM | #14917 | ||
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Speaking vaccine rates. As has been mentioned ACT is ahead on double doses rate and will get to 70% fairly soon.
The CM has basically said we won't ease restrictions until national rate hits the 70-80% as per plan. It will be reconsidered depending on what the lag is because even we won't cop that **** for long. Personally think maybe one option would be is once a individual state/territory is in that range then we should divert supply to those behind. No use being ahead a few weeks (yes obviously health wise it is good) and still locked down because of other rates are not there yet though our supply here alone is not going to make much difference. |
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15-09-2021, 06:32 PM | #14918 | ||
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Had my second shot yesterday, something i noticed was the lack of people for their second jab. I questioned the ladies there and they confirmed it was for second jabs only and they had only put through 200 or so whereas they had done 700 for the initial shot.
I wonder how many are backing out on the second jab because the first one knocked them around a fair bit.
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15-09-2021, 06:40 PM | #14919 | ||
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15-09-2021, 06:51 PM | #14920 | |||
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15-09-2021, 07:40 PM | #14921 | ||
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whatever contract she signs, can't take away *your* rights. you are free to ban him.
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15-09-2021, 07:48 PM | #14922 | ||
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7-fold higher risk smokers vs non-smokers.
I agree that I think it's rich for the government to slug smokers such a massive amount, when if it's truly that risky, they should just ban cigarettes altogether. That said, when I checked maybe 10 years ago, the excise didnt recoup the health spend on smokers, so it could arguably be even higher. |
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15-09-2021, 08:11 PM | #14923 | |||
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Will be interesting to see if they do choose to start banning smoking products closer to the deadline. |
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15-09-2021, 09:39 PM | #14924 | ||
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15-09-2021, 09:44 PM | #14925 | |||
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Cheers Billy |
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15-09-2021, 09:50 PM | #14926 | |||
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I would sooner have a smoking neurosurgeon operate on me than a closet or recovering alcoholic!..... Cheers Billy |
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15-09-2021, 10:15 PM | #14927 | ||
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15-09-2021, 10:22 PM | #14928 | |||
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15-09-2021, 10:32 PM | #14929 | ||
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Had to have a difficult discussion with a bloke we just rehired a month ago. I've known his stance on the Vax and conspiracies for ages, but I didn't expect the building and construction industry to be leaning on the health Act to force tradies to get vaxxed.
It seems as though they finally cottoned on to how good construction had it the whole time. We're now seeing worksafe site inspections at most of our jobs, big and small, where they've never been before. To enforce the covid safe stuff and try to bust up the "covid Marshall" hack that every contractor utilised. If you aren't aware, builders are giving us anywhere from 2 days out to a month to provide proof of site guys having at least one shot. Pretty tall order and not really fair when the bracket most of us are in (30's) only opened up a few weeks ago and instantly booked out for months. Last edited by Jack91; 15-09-2021 at 10:42 PM. |
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16-09-2021, 04:17 AM | #14930 | ||
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I have already said that = move on
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16-09-2021, 08:03 AM | #14931 | |||
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Give it a few more weeks and they may be flat out giving those 2nd doses |
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16-09-2021, 09:06 AM | #14932 | |||||
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Like Russ has responded with, it's getting the balance right that is the important part. Open too early and you see our health care systems flooded with covid patients. That will then have flow-on effect to anyone who has a need to make use of the health system; not just those who contract covid. Open too late and you have both fiscal and human impacts. My concern is the pressure to open up as soon as possible and the view that we should be getting back to life as 'normal' (not picking on anyone here in these threads by using these terms, just using the generic terms I hear about he place and in the media). Life after covid is never going to be the same as it was pre covid, until such time as a cure is found, exactly as boss has pointed out. I understand the urge people have to have our lives go back to the way they were before covid came into play, but the point at which we do that will have a lasting effect. we need to get that right and, perhaps, resist that urge just a little longer so that the impacts aren't as severe as they could be. Our slow vaccination take-up (in comparison to other countries in the world) gives us one advantage; we have the opportunity to observe what is happening elsewhere and learning from that. Looking at countries like Israel and Singapore, for example, we can learn that removing all restrictions, particularly with the delta strain, does see that the health system is adversely impacted and that restrictions are being re-introduced in an effort to reduce that impact. These countries may not be a direct comparison for us, but we should, and can, still learn from their experience before we go down the same path. Quote:
To add this comment to the above comment from boss, I agree that we will need to bulk up our medical systems to cope with the everyday additional load from covid. As has been pointed out, even with 100% of the population vaccinated, there will still be additional load on our health system, something they are not currently structured for. But that building up is going to take some time to achieve. Most likely years. In the meantime, there will be impacts upon other services, because the resources have to come from a constrained pool. And I'm not sure that all of those calling for life to go back to normal appreciate that there will be an impact for quite some time to come. I can see that we will be living with mask use (in high risk environments) and density limits for quite some time after we achieve the 70% fully vaccinated goal. Again, this will be about trying to limit the additional load on the health system. I see this morning that the Victorian AMA are calling for restrictions to remain in place for two weeks after the 80%of those over 12 have been vaccinated as they are concerned that doing so earlier will further strain the health care system. Quote:
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16-09-2021, 09:11 AM | #14933 | ||
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Vic should be hitting 70% first dose today. If Vic Gov are true to their words, "restrictions not need to be applied for a moment longer than they need to"...then they will ease up what they promised, today, not Sunday.
Lets see....
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16-09-2021, 09:45 AM | #14934 | ||
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If you have been wondering what happened to the Flu in Australia during the Covid Pandemic and that it has virtually disappeared from our lives, you would not be wrong.
This year, to August 29th, only 484 cases were recorded and zero deaths, compared to 313,085 cases in 2019 for the full year. Covid restrictions and the closing of our international border are said to be the main reason. The Flu in Australia versus pre-pandemic... Last edited by GO FURTHER; 16-09-2021 at 09:57 AM. |
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16-09-2021, 10:10 AM | #14935 | |||
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16-09-2021, 10:43 AM | #14936 | ||
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Sunday is supposed to be about the plan for the future at higher vax rates - the 70% first jab changes should be separate to that
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16-09-2021, 11:22 AM | #14937 | ||
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70% first dose is about as useless as a one-armed paper hanger frankly and if there is any easing of restrictions they should be minor at best. Anyone expecting more is (to quote Darrly Kerrigan) .. dreaming.
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16-09-2021, 11:30 AM | #14938 | ||
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NSW/VIC
NSW records 1,351 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate increases to 1.0119 (from 0.9910) while the actual line is now level with the predictive trend line and based on the 4th order polynomial, that trend line now has a downward curve. VIC records 514 cases in the current period (another record for this outbreak) and the 10-day average growth rate decreases slightly to 1.0993 (from 1.1123) while the actual line is back level with the predictive trend line.
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16-09-2021, 11:32 AM | #14939 | ||
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haha haven't heard of that analogy before. Given the way things are going, I'll take the 10kms. Would love to see some movement stats as I think this rule has been largely ignored anyways. As karen from brighton once said "I've done just about every park and track in this area."
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16-09-2021, 11:43 AM | #14940 | ||
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Frankly we need to get the second jabs done in the right time and IMO the conversation needs to be focus on making sure as many people as possible can see their family for Christmas (or sooner).
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