The FGX as the ultimate enthusiast collectors falcon?

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by stevanford

IMO, the FPV F6 will be the car to own in the future for Ford fans.

Maybe....time will tell. I fondly remember the same was said over at the red corner when they released the VL turbo. Time does funny things to people's thoughts and desires.
Like I said, we've been spoilt with the boosted engines. Pigs in $)(; for a while.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by muzman

Bit tough comparing a 40 year old technology clevo .... but I know which I'd rather have to start up a build

No not comparing just making an observation. I've been fortunate to own both. A mighty XE ESP 351 which I spent a lot of coin on. A LOT.
As a stocker I hated it. The clevo was asthmatic and died at 4800 RPM. After many years and many mods it became a gem.
Same with my 5.4 GT. Quite lacklustre until it was modded with the usual bolt ons. It's now a pleasure to drive and easily turns the new Michelin 275 rears if you provoke it.

I wish I had the money and room to have had both side by side in my garage
Both collectable imho.




I still miss this guy.....

[last Outlaw]

Very nice Bluey , cars look great .

[SprintFg]

I think ultimate performance is what makes cars desirable.

That's why the i6t and supercharged V8 cars have to be top of the list for desirability, they are best of breed, best ever for far.

Not saying the other models aren't great in their own way.

My point is less about future collectibility or value but more about getting your hands on a factory forced induction falcon as near or new as possible. As a ford enthusiast, they are a must have. Best of breed, you can't ask for more from ford.

The only thing that can tarnish these cars is Mustang. If in years ahead we all may think back and say, how did we drive those ugly Falcons. The new mustang is a stunning looking car and make the Falcons look very Average. I think the only thing to save the reputation of falcon is the i6t and supercharged v8.

[tranquilized]

Originally Posted by Bluey-GT

No not comparing just making an observation. I've been fortunate to own both. A mighty XE ESP 351 which I spent a lot of coin on. A LOT.
As a stocker I hated it. The clevo was asthmatic and died at 4800 RPM. After many years and many mods it became a gem.
Same with my 5.4 GT. Quite lacklustre until it was modded with the usual bolt ons. It's now a pleasure to drive and easily turns the new Michelin 275 rears if you provoke it.

I wish I had the money and room to have had both side by side in my garage
Both collectable imho.

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I still miss this guy.....

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Both those cars are just awesome, and very collectable - particularly the XE ESP assuming it was a matching numbers factory 351 4 speed. Only thing that would negatively affect their value would be any modifications...

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by tranquilized

Both those cars are just awesome, and very collectable - particularly the XE ESP assuming it was a matching numbers factory 351 4 speed. Only thing that would negatively affect their value would be any modifications...

I can't help myself. All my cars have been modified. The ESP was no exception. When it was sold it went with as much of the original bits as I had kept. My current car the BFGT is also modified. I keep all the original bits and treat my cars with respect and maintain them at the highest level . But I love to drive them and modify them.
I guess in time regardless of how collectable a model is, it doesn't mean much to me if I haven't personalised it and enjoyed it. To me it's more about how driveable it is and the experience rather than how collectable it is....

Check out this phase 3 with the living daylight driven out of it....no regrets...

[Stefan]

She is just a GT Buey, not a Phase 3, well known car around the traps. There was another wild violet XY GT with sunroof in a very similar state over in WA. Very Cool.

Both not very desirable as they don't have Sync2..

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by Stefan

She is just a GT Buey, not a Phase 3, well known car around the traps. There was another wild violet XY GT with sunroof in a very similar state over in WA. Very Cool.

Both not very desirable as they don't have Sync2..

"Just" a GT... My bad
A very well driven collectable for sure. Would love to see pics of the wild violet one as well.
See if it was mine , I would have retrofitted the sync 2 as my 1st mod..

[SPRINT 398]

Originally Posted by stevanford

The 2.73 diff ratio didn't hurt the "little brother", the XR6T/G6ETs. The real problem the 5.4 had was the T6.

Whilst the GT has the name, the F6 has the gun engines. Aussie built engines that made so much torque throughout the rev range that Ford had to bring out the Miami as the 5.4 wouldn't hold a candle to it. HSVs couldn't compete until they finally introduced the LSA.
IMO, the FPV F6 will be the car to own in the future for Ford fans.

well thats crap with a capital C Put a kenny bell on and compare apples to apples the outher 2 are force feed, and i own both atm and a 5.4 near on stock with a 75hp nos kit and it hangs with the others at any speed..And it has hosed many T6 and Miami SC powered FPVs Chris at BPR put a KB on a 200,000 km old black boss 260 XR8 ute Ten years ago and it ran 9s every day of the F$%&ng week it was his daily driver,,,,,These are facts Cheers

[Express]

Originally Posted by Bluey-GT

Check out this phase 3 with the living daylight driven out of it....no regrets...

The fluffy purple dash matt has does a fantastic job of keeping that car in good nick.

[mike_nofx]

I think the BF Wagon will be the ultimate enthusiast collectors falcon because like most other people in this thread I think the car I currently own will be the best.

[SPRINT 398]

Originally Posted by b2tf

Hmm. EB EL GT's, try building one. See if you can make it look right.

Then do the same with a B series GT, go see your local signwriter, pick out your stripe colour and you're 98% done.

sorry to ruffle your feathers there mate.. Stripes,well i ordered my BF.GT without stripes ..and when i brought my BF SUPER PURSUIT new off the floor i demanded the Stripes where removed before i picked it up ,as far as making the EB/EL GTs look good yeh drop it on its hole and fill it up with feet,,its a reicipe that always works [however some can stuff it up]however it has a GT badge so first and foremost get it to hammer,when a 5ltr eb/el fairmont is on par performance wise then ford stuffed up,,,im sure your cars a ripper mate and didnt mean it in content to **** anyone off,im saying them models didnt deserve the badge ,,,no other GT falcon Ever built left the factory without a magor performance boost over the standard V8 falcon KEEPING IT REAL CHEERS

[stevanford]

Originally Posted by SPRINT 398

well thats crap with a capital C Put a kenny bell on and compare apples to apples the outher 2 are force feed, and i own both atm and a 5.4 near on stock with a 75hp nos kit and it hangs with the others at any speed..And it has hosed many T6 and Miami SC powered FPVs Chris at BPR put a KB on a 200,000 km old black boss 260 XR8 ute Ten years ago and it ran 9s every day of the F$%&ng week it was his daily driver,,,,,These are facts Cheers

So, your 5.4 needs a NOS kit to "hang with the others" ?

Standard vs standard, what was quicker ?

Fact of the matter is, it has been proven time and again that the T6 was miles quicker than the 5.4

[b2tf]

Originally Posted by SPRINT 398

sorry to ruffle your feathers there mate.. Stripes,well i ordered my BF.GT without stripes ..and when i brought my BF SUPER PURSUIT new off the floor i demanded the Stripes where removed before i picked it up ,as far as making the EB/EL GTs look good yeh drop it on its hole and fill it up with feet,,its a reicipe that always works [however some can stuff it up]however it has a GT badge so first and foremost get it to hammer,when a 5ltr eb/el fairmont is on par performance wise then ford stuffed up,,,im sure your cars a ripper mate and didnt mean it in content to **** anyone off,im saying them models didnt deserve the badge ,,,no other GT falcon Ever built left the factory without a magor performance boost over the standard V8 falcon KEEPING IT REAL CHEERS

Ok, let me get my head around your logic.

My GT isnt as good as your GT because your GT goes faster than my GT.
Is that it?

You have clearly never driven an EL GT because it will quite comfortably dispatch any other E series V8 stock for stock. And what it doesnt outrun it will outhandle. But never let numbers get in the way of a good story eh, which, by the way looks something like this:

EL GT - 200kw
EL XR8 185kw

BF GT - 290kw
BF XR8 - 260kw

Yep, HUGE difference there isnt it.........

I love you how dont mean to bag my car - you just dont think it should have the badge it has. No worries, no offence taken. I'll hang on to mine, you hang on to yours and let's leave it at that, because if I get started on the damage the B series GTs have done to the badge you might get upset.

.................but I wouldnt mean to do that.

[edchung2000]

Originally Posted by b2tf

Ok, let me get my head around your logic.

My GT isnt as good as your GT because your GT goes faster than my GT.
Is that it?

Yes, and don't forget the Sprints aren't as good as the FPV GTs simply because of the GT badge, regardless of the fact that Sprints have better performance.
But the E-series GTs are not worthy of the GT badge simply because of its performance.

[Shonky.]

if I was going to buy a late model Falcon to hang on to I would get the latest manual FGII GTP I could

only car that got all the good bits

[Falcon SXR8]

Originally Posted by edchung2000

Yes, and don't forget the Sprints aren't as good as the FPV GTs simply because of the GT badge, regardless of the fact that Sprints have better performance.
But the E-series GTs are not worthy of the GT badge simply because of its performance.

Its taken alot of years but were finally getting to the bottom of what the best falcons are

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by stevanford

Standard vs standard, what was quicker ?

Fact of the matter is, it has been proven time and again that the T6 was miles quicker than the 5.4

Between traffic lights yes.
Track them for 6 hard laps and see which one fares better as a "performance car"

Collectability is in the eye of the beholder.

[SPRINT 398]

Originally Posted by stevanford

so, your 5.4 needs a nos kit to "hang with the others" ?

Standard vs standard, what was quicker ?

Fact of the matter is, it has been proven time and again that the t6 was miles quicker than the 5.4

nos is a blower in a bottle the two you are talking about are blown so take the hair drier of the 6 and the huffer of the miami and lets see who is who in the zoo

[SPRINT 398]

Originally Posted by b2tf

Ok, let me get my head around your logic.

My GT isnt as good as your GT because your GT goes faster than my GT.
Is that it?

You have clearly never driven an EL GT because it will quite comfortably dispatch any other E series V8 stock for stock. And what it doesnt outrun it will outhandle. But never let numbers get in the way of a good story eh, which, by the way looks something like this:

EL GT - 200kw
EL XR8 185kw

BF GT - 290kw
BF XR8 - 260kw

Yep, HUGE difference there isnt it.........

I love you how dont mean to bag my car - you just dont think it should have the badge it has. No worries, no offence taken. I'll hang on to mine, you hang on to yours and let's leave it at that, because if I get started on the damage the B series GTs have done to the badge you might get upset.

.................but I wouldnt mean to do that.

All good mate
sounds to me your happy with your car and you defend it well
you have your heart in the right spot mate and your a FORD man

[NX74205]

*opens can of worms*

Personally, I think the E-series GTs are infinitely more desirable than B-series GTs. E-series GTs are rare, and well looked after examples still fetch decent coin for them, whereas B-series GTs - particularly the BA - look comparatively bland and are a dime a dozen. If I had the choice between a mint EL GT and a mint BF GT, I'd pick the EL.

B-series may be faster and more powerful, but so what? GT stands for "Grand Touring", they're supposed to be comfortable tourers with effortless power.

Now, where did I put that Kevlar vest?

[66 STANG]

I had always (recently) assumed the EB / EL GT's were worth the least out of the whole GT range, until someone pointed out they are now worth more than BA, BF, and 315 FG's. While my EBGT may not be the fastest GT in my shed, I still love driving the old girl around occasionally as it definitely delivers a unique feel that the lower spec V8 models of the era can't deliver.

[HO 3]

Originally Posted by 66 STANG

I had always (recently) assumed the EB / EL GT's were worth the least out of the whole GT range, until someone pointed out they are now worth more than BA, BF, and 315 FG's. While my EBGT may not be the fastest GT in my shed, I still love driving the old girl around occasionally as it definitely delivers a unique feel that the lower spec V8 models of the era can't deliver.

Best of Breed or Best of Series for the win...............ultimately, desirability always seems to zero in on this concept.

Cheers Mick

[amiers]

Really guys?. who gives a flying ....! we should all be proud of what we have been blessed to drive as Ford men. I have owned all but 2 models of GT's and loved them all.



I LOVE ALL FORDS

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by NX74205

*opens can of worms*

Personally, I think the E-series GTs are infinitely more desirable than B-series GTs. E-series GTs are rare, and well looked after examples still fetch decent coin for them, whereas B-series GTs - particularly the BA - look comparatively bland and are a dime a dozen. If I had the choice between a mint EL GT and a mint BF GT, I'd pick the EL.

B-series may be faster and more powerful, but so what? GT stands for "Grand Touring", they're supposed to be comfortable tourers with effortless power.

Now, where did I put that Kevlar vest?

Totally agree, love the EL GT. In fact the styling of the whole EL range has aged really well.

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by b2tf

Ok, let me get my head around your logic.

My GT isnt as good as your GT because your GT goes faster than my GT.
Is that it?

You have clearly never driven an EL GT because it will quite comfortably dispatch any other E series V8 stock for stock. And what it doesnt outrun it will outhandle. But never let numbers get in the way of a good story eh, which, by the way looks something like this:

EL GT - 200kw
EL XR8 185kw

BF GT - 290kw
BF XR8 - 260kw

Yep, HUGE difference there isnt it.........

I love you how dont mean to bag my car - you just dont think it should have the badge it has. No worries, no offence taken. I'll hang on to mine, you hang on to yours and let's leave it at that, because if I get started on the damage the B series GTs have done to the badge you might get upset.

.................but I wouldnt mean to do that.

Good post, I'd really like to see the EL tested against the ED Sprint, they are the high points of Ford Oz in the 90's

EL
200kw @ 4700
420Nm @ 3700
just under 7s to 100, just over 15 second quarter

ED Sprint
192Kw @ 5000 (mumbles of 200)
400Nm @ 4000
7.2 to 100, 15 second quarter IIRC

Sprint has more rev to it, could it beat the EL GT? Anyone tried?

[Lazarus]

Originally Posted by amiers

Really guys?. who gives a flying ....! we should all be proud of what we have been blessed to drive as Ford men. I have owned all but 2 models of GT's and loved them all.



I LOVE ALL FORDS

Totally agree... We should celebrate and respect all models! GO THE MIGHTY FALCONS!!!

[PooDog]

They're all performance rated to there era !!....some rate better than others (debateable)

It's sad but these are performance cars ....and production is ending , think back to average cars,hillman hunters ,Vauxhall vivas ,cortinas etc.....think of how collectible they became ,and how few they became so quickly ......the same will happen to the falcon ......ALL models will be so desirable
Sad really.......treasure what you have !!

[superyob]

Originally Posted by edchung2000

Yes, and don't forget the Sprints aren't as good as the FPV GTs simply because of the GT badge, regardless of the fact that Sprints have better performance.
But the E-series GTs are not worthy of the GT badge simply because of its performance.

So what you are saying is if the GT floats, it's made out of wood and therefore is a duck???

Best Falcon ever made was a Fairlane...

[Sprintey]

very small rocks?