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31-08-2012, 08:00 AM | #121 | |||
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On the other hand if they grabbed the ball and ran with it, fitted new technology and greater kit to differentiate FPV cars further from regular Falcon cars and expanded the brand to include for example a 2013/4 FPV Fusion / Mondeo (whatever they want to call it) they could build it into something better than its been. Glass half full or half empty... |
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31-08-2012, 08:04 AM | #122 | ||
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I hope they bring the price down on the GS/XR8 and take a hit on the profit to move more units, then keep the GT basically as is. Also can the F6 and turn the XR6T into a monster as another performance entry level.
Hopefully they will allow such additions as brembos etc on these cars too. Fords number one priority should be selling more cars...the notion of hunting higher profits is really nice but in order to show the US the Falcon is still viable they need numbers. I really dont see this changing much at all, as there is no long term plan most of the work and direction would be half set. I think you will find that there may be a better chance of Ford global stuff being integrated but that happens at the Ford plant anyway. Its just a bigger reshuffle than before..same (but less) people doing the work because the Ford engineers will pick up some extra work which is good because they need it anyway.
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31-08-2012, 08:38 AM | #123 | |||
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What makes anyone think that they will do it now ....especially when they are under the pump with Falcon and R & D $$$ are few and far between. They were already 1/2 owners of FPV ...so the fire sale of the other 50% from Prodrive probably cost them a few pennies. They need to see out the FG FPV range - its already invested in and it will bring in a return.....it will be business as usual in terms of what the FPV range looks like. IMHO - when FG goes.......so will the FPV "brand" as we know it. If they continue on with it after that- it will likely be sold through Autobarn and REPCO as "add on " performance parts.....................( joke ) MAybe we should keep using this reverse psychology to urge FOA on to do something amazing !!!!!....... |
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31-08-2012, 08:50 AM | #124 | |||
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31-08-2012, 08:53 AM | #125 | |||
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31-08-2012, 08:55 AM | #126 | |||
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Whilst FOA are painting and decorating their bedroom - other marques like KIA and Hyuandai are streaming ahead with a plethora of new small cars and options with fresh new designs that has people en masse at their showrooms forking out their coin for their products.......... |
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31-08-2012, 08:59 AM | #127 | |||
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31-08-2012, 09:06 AM | #128 | ||
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or was this all by agreement.. FoA wont commit to an Australian donor Car after 2015/16.. so Prodrive says.. 'you take it all, here's my price!'..
Ford dont do 'niche ' markets very well.. **WORLD CAR CONCEPT** Everyone drive one of the 9 models we recommend, in the 9 colours we recommend (red, white, blue, black and 5 shades of grey!).. we'll even throw in some plugin techie goodies on some! A bad day indeed for FPV both in name and brand!.. At least as one of the last models made, mine might be worth something in years to come now!
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31-08-2012, 09:29 AM | #129 | |||
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31-08-2012, 10:06 AM | #130 | |||
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31-08-2012, 10:38 AM | #131 | ||
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Turning into another speculation thread without any true knowledge of what Fords plans may be....too much negativity as usual. how about being positive for a change .. the glass is half full.
Apparently the rumour is ALL ford dealer principals are required to attend a meeting at Rydges in Melbourne on monday. Now I wonder what that could be about. Rather than speculate I would rather wait and see as there is nothing any of us can do about it. GT450 |
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31-08-2012, 10:50 AM | #132 | |||
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31-08-2012, 11:18 AM | #133 | |||
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I get your point - and its great for Ford Globally - but at the end of the day - its not a platform that an FPV branding can sell in volumes here to save FOA or save an FPV brand. My point is that the number of options for Ford to use as performance cars to continue to serve the local performance car market are getting very thin......... The falcon worked well because of the scale of economies - while it lasted. Point being here that a locally engineered performance product from FOA going forward may be less likely or even possible at all. It may be that a fully imported Mustang with FOA doing RHD conversions will be what we end up getting going forward post 2016 ?? Even then - I doubt it would be an FPV Mustang ? I recall in another thread that Rob Herrod dismissed the Mustang for OZ - he would obviously have more inside info then most..... so who knows what we may be left with. |
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31-08-2012, 11:18 AM | #134 | ||||
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I really wanting this to be a good thing, as some people have described in this thread. Its just hard to be positive when the company itself doesn't give anything away. How long are they going to let this 'Falcon is dead' stigma last? There has been so much negative press in the past few years, and Ford isn't putting any of it to bed. If the forums are negative today, it is stemming from the top, as is often the case.
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31-08-2012, 11:49 AM | #135 | ||
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Ford needs to overcome the negativity and death pall surrounding the Falcon if they are to shift Falcon in sufficient quantities to see it through to 2014.
They should hold a joint press conference with the Federal Trade Minister and announce that: 1. they plan to continue building FPV's and Falcon beyond 2016; 2. They have the financial support of their North American overlord and the Australian Government to continue developing the Falcon. 3. The North Americans are so impressed with the Falcon and the GT performance car they are looking at ways to export the model or a derivative of it overseas. They don't have to actually do any of the above but it shoould get rid of the naysayers and shut down the negative talk. If they decide to pull the plug in 2014 or 2016 they can do so suddenly and say that their plans changed etc etc. If a certain redhead in Canberra who is charged with looking after a nation can tell porkies to advance her position there is no reason a commercial enterprise can't. |
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31-08-2012, 12:17 PM | #136 | ||
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If they make a bunch of hollow false promises now, the backlash in 2016 will be worse than if they come out tomorrow and confirm Falcon is gone post 2016.
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31-08-2012, 12:20 PM | #137 | |||
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Ford Aust is fighting for its very survival and the last thing the beancounters want to accommodate is extra spending on niche models that otherwise clog-up floorspace and complicate precious production line efficiencies. Like most people on here it would be great to have a crystal ball to see whats in the pipeline, already signed-off, in terms of future FPV model enhancements, but maybe now all bets are off? The GT R-Spec may be as good as it gets. I hope not, and from a personal perspective I was hoping that something like a GT 351 (kw) would hit the showroom floor in the next 12 months or so in order to give me time to organise the finances, but now I'm not so sure we'll see progressive improvements in the FPV range. |
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31-08-2012, 12:28 PM | #138 | |||
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If they are, they have delivered on their promises. |
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31-08-2012, 12:45 PM | #139 | ||
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Your assuming it's Falcon/Territory or nothing post 2016.
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In the meantime, such promises would support the sales momentum of their existing product |
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31-08-2012, 02:09 PM | #141 | |||
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To much emphasis on Ford being the Falcon Car Co here. The large car market is gone, Falcon being an orphan in the Ford model lineup in a market that is rapidly diminishing makes no sense. Fresh new Ford designs in recent times - Fiesta, Focus, Mondeo, Territory, Kuga, Ranger FPV should long ago have been using crate engines, $40M for the Miami was extravagant. I suspect that is what FOA will be doing, leaving the relatively inexpensive job of body kits n stickers the guys in the redecorated bedroom, back to what FOA used to do in the GT heyday really. |
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31-08-2012, 02:18 PM | #142 | |||
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Now if only they could supply some of these cars and get them here... e.g my12 Kuga instead of the old outdated *******!
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31-08-2012, 03:42 PM | #143 | ||
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Pls remember that holden have just said that there is no commie post 2016
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31-08-2012, 04:53 PM | #144 | |||
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31-08-2012, 05:05 PM | #145 | ||
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Well after VF next year and Falcon update in 2014, both companies might just be looking at two yearly updates instead of all new models.....
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31-08-2012, 05:45 PM | #146 | |||
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Apart from fitting sunroofs and LPG again....lol- there isn't much in that list that lends itself to a local performance variant that would sell in volumes. ( Focus maybe ) Without the territory ...why even bother with a local operation....just import everything. Sad truth really but FOA as a viable operation really was and may still be Falcon centric. |
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31-08-2012, 05:50 PM | #147 | ||
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Isn't this thread about FPV?
What are we talking about Ford not building cars?
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31-08-2012, 06:01 PM | #148 | |||
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Fiesta, Focus, Mondeo, Territory, Kuga, Ranger So .... unless FPV have decided to play with these models ..... the discussion IS ALL ABOUT THE FALCON ..... as that is what FPV is all about. FPV can be regarded as the Falcon Car Company ..... and there isnt much wrong with that! PS: Should be renamed FALCON PERFORMANCE VEHICLE! And yes, they are still making them and will continue to do so for some time yet.
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31-08-2012, 07:04 PM | #149 | ||
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So, from what's been said in the press, Ford will keep FPV models as they currently are
which means GT and GS stay but I keep wondering about something.... Remembering that FPV would occasionally bring out a Cobra to supplement GT, how about an occasional short run of XR8 to supplement GS sales? I know that Ford says there's no place for an XR8 as a full time product but maybe as a special? |
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31-08-2012, 07:08 PM | #150 | ||
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Granted we did stray a little but with all due respect, this discussion should not be limited to the Falcon as we are discussing FORD Performance Vehicles and its future.
Given that the Falcon almost certainly has a limited lifespan, in the near future (if not now) Ford need to plan the medium to longer term future of FPV, it could very well be that the other models in the FOA lineup become integral to FPV. The Focus ST is an obvious choice to move into the FPV stable, it's been mooted that FPR are looking at a racing version of the Mondeo, and an FPV performance tie in might well be on the cards |
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