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View Poll Results: Has your zf heat exchanger failed? POST 2012 CARS ONLY | |||
No | 85 | 92.39% | |
Yes - cooling system serviced as per factory, using factory coolant | 6 | 6.52% | |
Yes - cooling system serviced as per factory using different coolant | 0 | 0% | |
Yes - cooling system not serviced | 1 | 1.09% | |
Voters: 92. You may not vote on this poll |
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01-04-2017, 04:39 PM | #121 | ||
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Quote: Does anyone actually have any info about the heat exchanger design changing throughout the years?
Was responding to the question, waited, but saw no response, where's your contribution? Quote: Originally Posted by gmoughton View Post You still got your licence Sure have. Some of us live in the bush. You do realise there are still open speed limits in parts of this country. How about 160km/h? Any high speed testing at all? Right, so you don't have any idea? Have driven in NT a fair bit, cops told me 130km/hr was the limit. But you really can't be serious, the average driver would rarely be doing those sort of speeds, out of interest what is your trans temp at those speeds by the way? My monitoring has been done at speeds one would normally expect to see. Again lots of critisim without much else
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01-04-2017, 04:49 PM | #122 | ||
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I thought you were done posting...
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01-04-2017, 05:04 PM | #123 | ||
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Would be rude not to respond
Still waiting for anything of substance from certain people on this thread, shan't be holding my breath though. Am a gluten for punishment
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01-04-2017, 05:39 PM | #124 | |||
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For example how many people here take their car to the track/dragstrip? Lots. Any testing done there? My trans temp will be the same as my engine temp - certainly no lower as I have a factory heat exchanger. So really you don't know but are prepared to make the claim that transmissions and oil will definitely last longer. Years ago I had a $30,000 racing engine literally explode on me. When it was sent back to mercury racing for testing it was found the thermostat was stuck wide open and the motor let go because of uneven heating of the differing metals. Cold is not better.
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01-04-2017, 06:00 PM | #125 | |||
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There are more posts, but it's a long trawl through my thread. Regards, George
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01-04-2017, 06:55 PM | #126 | |||
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What is this dissection meant to show?
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It's never been about the gearbox or oil temp too high. Gearboxes have lasted just fine being liquid cooled for decades. It's just more scaremongering by you making people think the factory setup is insufficient, which it isn't. Ford testing is slightly more thorough than yours as far as cooling performance is concerned. |
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01-04-2017, 07:07 PM | #127 | ||
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gmoughton You've done a fantastic job and many of us are sleeping much better knowing that we can NEVER have the dreaded milkshake, regardless of how little risk may be involved in retaining the OEM cooler. preyday et al - please let us know how much your transmission repair bill is when you eventually experience milkshaking!
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01-04-2017, 07:23 PM | #128 | ||
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Sorry that you feel that way prydey, not intending to take anything over at all.
Questions have been raised by many people including yourself on this thread, I have merely endeavoured to answer those questions, often in the absence of zero response from others, I am not taking this thread over intentionally, just trying to add to its worth with relevant info and comment The 2nd pic post of the heat exchangers is showing how fragile the internals are and the number of layers in the heat exchanger, the later ones merely had more of the same. Thought as the subject matter is heat exchangers it would be totally relevant and informative to all. You cannot expect to raise such an important subject without getting the response you have, would have thought you would have welcomed it. Regards, George
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01-04-2017, 07:32 PM | #129 | |||
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Would love to get out on the track and put it to the test myself one day must say, pretty frustrating sitting on 100km/hr knowing you could be raising the hair on the back of your neck at god knows what speed Regards, George
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01-04-2017, 07:42 PM | #130 | |||
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the topic is pretty clear i thought. its in the title, and explained in the first post, and a few posts later. Is there evidence to suggest these heat exchangers are still failing? the title clearly says, POST 2012. there is still zero evidence to suggest they still fail. |
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01-04-2017, 07:49 PM | #131 | |||
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https://fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11441275 Regards, George
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01-04-2017, 08:05 PM | #132 | ||
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I just can't believe what causes the heat exchanger to fail (in a small % of vehicles) still has not been 100% confirmed.
When and what was changed and/or improved to help prevent a milkshake in the later model Falcons? |
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01-04-2017, 09:15 PM | #133 | ||
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04-04-2017, 11:36 AM | #134 | ||
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As if, he's relentless, even likes posts that are not in his favour.
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04-04-2017, 01:38 PM | #135 | ||
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He is a PIA and one who cannot accept any other view than his own. And what has he has contributed here - nuthin
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04-04-2017, 02:17 PM | #136 | ||
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gmoughton They're all jealous that you have identified the problem first.
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04-04-2017, 02:40 PM | #137 | |||
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And what has you mate done? Come in with his bluster (and told everyone that will listen like you) he has a fix. Only problem is he does not know what he is fixing. So a fix to what? What caused components to fail in the first place? Has this been addressed by manufacturers? What is different now to what it was before. He does not know and will not shut up long enough to find out. You must remember (if that is possible) that these seperate components were designed by engineers with more knowledge and experience in their little finger than some one who manages to trot along and tell everyone he has seen the light and they MUST fit an after market kit on a chat forum. Just plain old scare mongering and snake oil salesmanship at best. And thanks to him this thread is f#$%^@# and we will never know what the current state of play is. 5 pages of crap is all there is.
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04-04-2017, 02:48 PM | #138 | ||
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I don't think so. Check his join date. Not even 2 years. A baby just learning to walk. Like a child he needs to stop and listen to the adults once in a while
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04-04-2017, 02:49 PM | #139 | |||
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He must be clever, as I still don't see even one instance with POST 2012 cars here, despite the poll figures showing otherwise. And besides, he wasn't the first to identify the issue with EARLIER cars either. In fact I wrote a tech article around ten years ago installing a transmission cooler, well before George arrived here. And I wasn't the one who identified the issue either. |
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04-04-2017, 05:12 PM | #140 | ||
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Boy! that put the cat among the pigeons! Thanks for all your views.
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04-04-2017, 06:59 PM | #142 | |||
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04-04-2017, 09:44 PM | #143 | ||
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Well I know that!
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"russelw" and the Forum admin team have recognised my contribution and the knowledge of that sustains me when I am subjected to such unfair criticism. Yes, I am new to this Forum, but have had nothing but Ford cars for 45 years and have the greatest respect for Ford Engineers. We all make changes to the design of our cars from time to time by replacing parts with non OEM, diff bushes, tyres, brakes, suspension etc, and do that based on verifiable info and experience of others, why should the heat exchanger be any different? I have never said I was the first to identify this or any other problem. I have never said anyone MUST fit an aftermarket kit or anything else, merely posted info in order that people can make their own decisions based on all the available info. I have merely been responding to totally relevant questions and comments raised by others on this thread (thankyou) that I have quoted here with info obtained from my own monitoring, ZF or my Ford Workshop Manual, its beyond me how anyone could consider that to be "nuthin" or "5 pages of crap". The poll stands as it is and will give us an indication of the current situation, despite the limited exposure it is getting in this area of the Forum. I sincerely hope that the heat exchanger problem has been resolved and no one will ever have to worry about the risk of a "Milkshake" again, only time will tell. I have always shown respect for the views of my fellow Forum members and merely expect the same in return. Regards, George
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i'm not too concerned with all the 'No' votes and from where i sit, I think the poll still reads 0 failures for POST 2012 cars (unless lNate wants to confirm his car details as being in that group). As for forum traffic, 'the pub' area is the highest traffic area by some margin, which is why i put it there. |
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05-04-2017, 01:10 PM | #146 | ||
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05-04-2017, 04:23 PM | #147 | |||
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Why would the poll be useless, I totally agree with your reasoning behind posting it and I don't see why its validity should not remain, provided people post the relevant info that you asked for when voting, those that haven't can stil do so, regardless of which way they voted and would definitely help in defining the current state of play. Didn't realise the "pub" was so popular, I sincerely hope you get the response you deserve in the poll. It would help us all significantly if more info was readily available about what Ford have done to rid us of the problem, if indeed they have? and at what point in time etc, then none of us would be concerned that the risk might still exist and we could all relax and enjoy driving our vehicles. In the meantime we can only make decisions based on what info is available to us. What times "Happy Hour" by the way Regards, George
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05-04-2017, 07:28 PM | #149 | |||
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And while you keep on mentioning after market fixes, have you ever considered asking anyone that had them fitted if they failed and if so why? I wish this forum had a block button
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05-04-2017, 08:03 PM | #150 | ||
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And while you keep on mentioning after market fixes, have you ever considered asking anyone that had them fitted if they failed and if so why?
I have never seen a post of or heard of a failed PWR air/oil cooler, PWR or Furious Performance/PWR air/oil cooler kit or PWR heat exchanger, if you have would you like to tell us about it? Think, Prydey would prefer we had this discussion elsewhere though. Sorry Prydey, poll was getting the required response too Regards, George
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